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On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%)
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On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed.
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opterown
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On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distribution
maelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc
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MrHoon
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entangle does use PRD because both Maelstrom and Entangle are based off Orb of slow if this isnt the case in Dota2 well looks like we have another bug to report
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On May 30 2013 18:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distributionmaelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc
That's really interesting. I wasn't aware of that mechanic at all.
It's a digression, but do we ever see people making use of that? eg. Kunkka beating on creeps before an engagement to stack a few non-crits in a row so his chance is higher when he goes in?
Seems like that could make a real difference if a player had the space to do it.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
On May 30 2013 21:34 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 18:16 opterown wrote:On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distributionmaelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc That's really interesting. I wasn't aware of that mechanic at all. It's a digression, but do we ever see people making use of that? eg. Kunkka beating on creeps before an engagement to stack a few non-crits in a row so his chance is higher when he goes in? Seems like that could make a real difference if a player had the space to do it. Was used heavily in Dota 1 with Syllabear's bear's root.
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On May 30 2013 21:37 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:34 Belisarius wrote:On May 30 2013 18:16 opterown wrote:On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distributionmaelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc That's really interesting. I wasn't aware of that mechanic at all. It's a digression, but do we ever see people making use of that? eg. Kunkka beating on creeps before an engagement to stack a few non-crits in a row so his chance is higher when he goes in? Seems like that could make a real difference if a player had the space to do it. Was used heavily in Dota 1 with Syllabear's bear's root.
Bulldog does it all the time in his 1v1 lanes. If entangle hasn't procced after 3-4 creep attacks he sends his bear on the hero and gets one of his 'first-hit' entangles xD
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opterown
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On May 30 2013 21:42 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:37 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:34 Belisarius wrote:On May 30 2013 18:16 opterown wrote:On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distributionmaelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc That's really interesting. I wasn't aware of that mechanic at all. It's a digression, but do we ever see people making use of that? eg. Kunkka beating on creeps before an engagement to stack a few non-crits in a row so his chance is higher when he goes in? Seems like that could make a real difference if a player had the space to do it. Was used heavily in Dota 1 with Syllabear's bear's root. Bulldog does it all the time in his 1v1 lanes. If entangle hasn't procced after 3-4 creep attacks he sends his bear on the hero and gets one of his 'first-hit' entangles xD it shouldn't work like that in dota 2 iirc
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On May 30 2013 21:42 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:37 Firebolt145 wrote:On May 30 2013 21:34 Belisarius wrote:On May 30 2013 18:16 opterown wrote:On May 30 2013 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:On May 30 2013 17:48 Jetaap wrote:On May 30 2013 17:17 Shaella wrote:On May 30 2013 17:08 Dubzex wrote: Maelstrom proc takes priority over root in dota 2 right? yup But the chance of them both proccing is pretty low Maelstrom has a 25% proc chance and entangle 20 % so there is a 5% chance of both of them happening, it's quite significant actually (reduces the entangle chance by 25%) Yeah, it sounds like a small chance but if you think about it, since 1 in 4 attacks will get a maelstrom proc, that means 1 in 4 of your entangles will be blocked by maelstrom. Since dota uses psuedorandomness, I would think it's actually quite significant indeed. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Pseudo_Random_Distributionmaelstrom has PRD but not entangle iirc That's really interesting. I wasn't aware of that mechanic at all. It's a digression, but do we ever see people making use of that? eg. Kunkka beating on creeps before an engagement to stack a few non-crits in a row so his chance is higher when he goes in? Seems like that could make a real difference if a player had the space to do it. Was used heavily in Dota 1 with Syllabear's bear's root. Bulldog does it all the time in his 1v1 lanes. If entangle hasn't procced after 3-4 creep attacks he sends his bear on the hero and gets one of his 'first-hit' entangles xD
And yet, the wiki says dota2 doesn't use PRD for entangle.
What is truth?
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Dam some of those changes are quite interesting. I wonder what they observer ward change and sentry change is going to do. Seems like a few deward spots might not cover all the area needed anymore.
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Quelling Blade - Can now target Observer or Sentry wards dealing 100 damage (wards have 200 hp) - Cast range increased from 100 to 350
Wat..
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They removed medusa from cm
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Treant buffs, bottle crowing nerfs.. lol! Huge patch overall
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Ice Blast duration increased from 8/9/10 to 17 This is off to a good start.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm kinda kidding. That's his new Aghs upgrade.
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so armlet bear fixed i guess.
- Aghanim's Reaper's Scythe causes buyback to be disabled on heroes it kills for that death lol awesome
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Sentry Ward - Sentry Wards AoE decreased from 950 to 800 And so the game of wards begins
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