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On May 02 2013 17:52 Dead9 wrote:
drums benefits your team, and you'd be better off going bkb or armlet if you want to carry
double boots isn't that bad on a lot of heroes, it's just that usually there are better choices
A support or carry usually go drums nowadays by default. Too many drums might not be best and boots are a bit cheaper. I disagree about going armlet on Nightstalker since that's an item usually reserved for str heroes that need attack speed. Nightstalker doesn't have an attack speed issue at night so another item would be better in my opinion. Most games bkb is probably a good option, but it's 3.9k gold. Selling a pair of boots then buying bkb loses ~675 gold (since you'll probably want to sell phase boots) but the idea is that the double boots will allow you to farm/kill more efficiently to make up for that.
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On May 02 2013 18:00 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 14:13 FinestHour wrote:
everytime mistmare goes jungle huskar he just wins
it just blows my mind How does jungle huskar even work?
Start naked => rush Morbid Mask => everything else
Skill-wise I believe you start with and max Berserker's Blood, heal secondary, skip Spears completely.
At least that is how someone was doing it during AtoD (I think it was singx2, but not 100% sure).
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Except it also gives +31 dmg and +25 strength, health toggling utility, and not to mention the base stats of armor, health regen, dmg, and attack speed. It's also incredibly cheap, and not that much more than the phase or treads you'd be dumping your gold into early on.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 10th, our adventure in the Perfect World & Gamefy will Dota 2 Super League will start.
Here are the groups:
Group A:
LGD-Gaming China
Invictus Gaming
ViCi Gaming
TongFu
For Love
Group B:
LGD-Gaming International
Team DK
Orange eSports
RattleSnake
Rising Stars
This will be very interesting... We hope to have your full support! Prediction for each group?
http://www.facebook.com/lgddota/posts/442773122479013
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Wonder if we'll see the return of radiance ld
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On May 02 2013 18:01 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 17:52 Dead9 wrote:
drums benefits your team, and you'd be better off going bkb or armlet if you want to carry
double boots isn't that bad on a lot of heroes, it's just that usually there are better choices A support or carry usually go drums nowadays by default. Too many drums might not be best and boots are a bit cheaper. I disagree about going armlet on Nightstalker since that's an item usually reserved for str heroes that need attack speed. Nightstalker doesn't have an attack speed issue at night so another item would be better in my opinion. Most games bkb is probably a good option, but it's 3.9k gold. Selling a pair of boots then buying bkb saves ~675 gold (since you'll probably want to sell phase boots) but the idea is that the double boots will allow you to farm/kill more efficiently to make up for that.
armlet is pretty good on ns. it's not bought for the AS, it provides a lot of survivability and a decent chunk of raw damage
supports should pretty much never buy drums. force staff is more useful in almost all cases. the only downside is obviously the 1000 gold parts, but generally that's not that big of an issue as long as they're not feeding
how does selling boots then buying bkb save gold?
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On May 02 2013 17:59 RuskiPanda wrote:
The problem is that Nightstalker doesn't really need to stack ms once you get enough ranks in his passive.. There are far more critical pickups that ~1400 gold could be going towards like Armlet, bkb, aghanims, etc. Having a ton of small, useful items like your core is nice but once people start finishing midgame items you start to fall way behind because you have to sell to free up slots.
It'll delay any extra item by ~700 gold. If anything the urn/medallion is a bit much. No one gets medallion nowadays and support getting urn or replacing wand with urn might be better.
On May 02 2013 18:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 17:48 Kishin2 wrote:
Noticed Jeyo playing Nightstalker on his stream with power treads and had a thought. I usually get phase boots on him but now I'm thinking it'd be pretty legitimate to get both treads and phase boots. There are only a handful of items that give +ms and tread switching is really good especially with a bottle.
Core build: bottle, wand, phase, treads, urn/medallion
You always need one pair of boots so the options are: drums + phase, drums + treads, or treads + phase. Normally I'd get drums instead of one of the boots. but phase boots give twice the damage of drums and more +ms with phase than drums + its active. Drums also give +14 AS (+24 w/ active) while treads always give +30 AS. This with how good tread switching is with bottle, double boots build on Nightstalker should be good. How is that a core build? You have no slots left for anything important like a bkb, or hell, armlet. Also, you're trying to compare drums to both treads + phase. Try comparing it to one of the items while you already have + move speed accounted. It's not worth it.
I compared drums to phase and treads separately. Phase boots give more +ms (+16%) than drums even with a charge (+15%). Treads give more attack speed than drums even with a charge. The advantage going drums + boots over boots + boots is stats and aoe aura. Boots + boots win in attack speed, movespeed, flat damage, and + either phase ability or tread switching.
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On May 02 2013 18:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Except it also gives +31 dmg and +25 strength, health toggling utility, and not to mention the base stats of armor, health regen, dmg, and attack speed. It's also incredibly cheap, and not that much more than the phase or treads you'd be dumping your gold into early on.
Thing is I don't see Nightstalker as a hero in a teamfight that's supposed to deal a ton of damage. Silence, slow, pick off supports without dying by abusing mobility at night. Armlet is good for damage but it delays an aghs or bkb too much in my opinion. I'd consider it more if you're going carry Nightstalker with midas first though.
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On May 02 2013 18:15 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 17:59 RuskiPanda wrote:
The problem is that Nightstalker doesn't really need to stack ms once you get enough ranks in his passive.. There are far more critical pickups that ~1400 gold could be going towards like Armlet, bkb, aghanims, etc. Having a ton of small, useful items like your core is nice but once people start finishing midgame items you start to fall way behind because you have to sell to free up slots. It'll delay any extra item by ~700 gold. If anything the urn/medallion is a bit much. No one gets medallion nowadays and support getting urn or replacing wand with urn might be better. Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 18:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 02 2013 17:48 Kishin2 wrote:
Noticed Jeyo playing Nightstalker on his stream with power treads and had a thought. I usually get phase boots on him but now I'm thinking it'd be pretty legitimate to get both treads and phase boots. There are only a handful of items that give +ms and tread switching is really good especially with a bottle.
Core build: bottle, wand, phase, treads, urn/medallion
You always need one pair of boots so the options are: drums + phase, drums + treads, or treads + phase. Normally I'd get drums instead of one of the boots. but phase boots give twice the damage of drums and more +ms with phase than drums + its active. Drums also give +14 AS (+24 w/ active) while treads always give +30 AS. This with how good tread switching is with bottle, double boots build on Nightstalker should be good. How is that a core build? You have no slots left for anything important like a bkb, or hell, armlet. Also, you're trying to compare drums to both treads + phase. Try comparing it to one of the items while you already have + move speed accounted. It's not worth it. I compared drums to phase and treads separately. Phase boots give more +ms (+16%) than drums even with a charge (+15%). Treads give more attack speed than drums even with a charge. The advantage going drums + boots over boots + boots is stats and aoe aura. Boots + boots win in attack speed, movespeed, flat damage, and + either phase ability or tread switching.
Err no, you have to be more specific to what you're comparing it to. Boots + boots does not win in attack speed, move speed, and flat damage. It depends which combination you get. Boots + boots vs. treads Drums? It doesn't win in attack speed and you still have tread switching utility. Boots + boots vs. phase drums you don't have the attack speed and tread switching but you have everything else. This is on top of the stats and group utility you gain from drums ofc.
Thing is I don't see Nightstalker as a hero in a teamfight that's supposed to deal a ton of damage. Silence, slow, pick off supports without dying by abusing mobility at night. Armlet is good for damage but it delays an aghs or bkb too much in my opinion. I'd consider it more if you're going carry Nightstalker with midas first though.
I could argue the same thing that buying an extra pair of boots delays your bkb. Also, armlet is a relatively early game item where you're not always expected to start team fighting. You'll still have a lot of skirmishes. Delaying bkb for when you actually get into serious team fights isn't that bad, sometimes for the best. Armlet gives you a lot of burst when you gank and can net you much easier kills under the duration of void + silence. It's not even a contest what would be the best ganking combination of items between treads+phase or just one pair of boots + armlet.
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On May 02 2013 18:01 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 17:52 Dead9 wrote:
drums benefits your team, and you'd be better off going bkb or armlet if you want to carry
double boots isn't that bad on a lot of heroes, it's just that usually there are better choices A support or carry usually go drums nowadays by default. Too many drums might not be best and boots are a bit cheaper. I disagree about going armlet on Nightstalker since that's an item usually reserved for str heroes that need attack speed. Nightstalker doesn't have an attack speed issue at night so another item would be better in my opinion. Most games bkb is probably a good option, but it's 3.9k gold. Selling a pair of boots then buying bkb loses ~675 gold (since you'll probably want to sell phase boots) but the idea is that the double boots will allow you to farm/kill more efficiently to make up for that.
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Super league groups & start date(sorry if mentioned before).
Group A: iG, LGD.cn, Vici Gaming, TongFu, For.Love
Group B: DK, LGD.int, Orange, RattleSnake, RisingStars
The matches will begin on May 10 at 19:00 China time, with VG vs LGD.cn
Schedule:
+ Show Spoiler +May 16: 20:00–23:00：A- TongFu vs Invictus GAMING
May 17: 20:00–23:00：A- ForLove vs LGD GAMING CN
May 18: 14:00–18:00：A- VICI GAMING vs ForLove
May 18: 20:00–23:00：A-LGD GAMING CN vs TongFu
May 23: 20:00–23:00：A- Invictus GAMING vs LGD GAMING CN
May 24: 20:00–23:00：B- NeoEs.Orange vs LGD GAMING INT
May 25: 14:00–18:00：B- LGD GAMING INT vs TEAM DK
May 25: 20:00–23:00：A- Invictus GAMING vs ForLove
May 30: 20:00–23:00：A- TongFu vs ForLove
May 31: 20:00–23:00：A- Invictus GAMING vs VICI GAMING
June 1: 14:00–18:00：A- VICI GAMING vs TongFu
June 1: 20:00–23:00：B- Rattle Snake vs Rstars Gaming
June 6: 20:00–23:00：B- TEAM DK vs Rstars Gaming
June 7: 20:00–23:00：B- LGD GAMING INT vs Rattle Snake
June 8: 14:00–18:00：B- NeoEs.Orange vs Rstars Gaming
June 8: 20:00–23:00：B- TEAM DK vs Rattle Snake
June 13: 20:00–23:00：B- NeoEs.Orange vs Rattle Snake
June 14: 20:00–23:00：B- Rstars Gaming vs LGD GAMING INT
June 15: 20:00–23:00：B- TEAM DK vs NeoEs.Orange
Someone make a thread if needed.
http://dota2.sgamer.com/news/201305/150213.html
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Wasn't it meant to include a western team? Or is LGD.int a western team? Or am i confusing it with something else?
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On May 02 2013 18:14 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 18:01 Kishin2 wrote:On May 02 2013 17:52 Dead9 wrote:
drums benefits your team, and you'd be better off going bkb or armlet if you want to carry
double boots isn't that bad on a lot of heroes, it's just that usually there are better choices A support or carry usually go drums nowadays by default. Too many drums might not be best and boots are a bit cheaper. I disagree about going armlet on Nightstalker since that's an item usually reserved for str heroes that need attack speed. Nightstalker doesn't have an attack speed issue at night so another item would be better in my opinion. Most games bkb is probably a good option, but it's 3.9k gold. Selling a pair of boots then buying bkb saves ~675 gold (since you'll probably want to sell phase boots) but the idea is that the double boots will allow you to farm/kill more efficiently to make up for that. armlet is pretty good on ns. it's not bought for the AS, it provides a lot of survivability and a decent chunk of raw damage supports should pretty much never buy drums. force staff is more useful in almost all cases. the only downside is obviously the 1000 gold parts, but generally that's not that big of an issue as long as they're not feeding how does selling boots then buying bkb save gold?
That's a typo there, whoops. It loses that amount of gold. I don't see supports getting force staff as outrageously since the nerf. It's more expensive, which sucks for supports, and it doesn't provide health/stats like drums. And there's also the aoe mobility you get with drums on top of that.
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On May 02 2013 18:27 Unleashing wrote:
Wasn't it meant to include a western team? Or is LGD.int a western team? Or am i confusing it with something else?
Yeah, it seems so.
Along with the release of the Chinese Dota 2 servers, Perfect World and Gamefy are happy to announce the Dota 2 Super League (DSL). With 10 Teams, including one to be announced mysterious foreigner team, the tournament will take place in Shanghai and use the Chinese Servers.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410087
Mysterious pick indeed, but i won't bitch about it. Great teams/groups.
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Did they specify Western team? If they said foreign, that would be Orange then.
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On May 02 2013 18:28 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 18:14 Dead9 wrote:On May 02 2013 18:01 Kishin2 wrote:On May 02 2013 17:52 Dead9 wrote:
drums benefits your team, and you'd be better off going bkb or armlet if you want to carry
double boots isn't that bad on a lot of heroes, it's just that usually there are better choices A support or carry usually go drums nowadays by default. Too many drums might not be best and boots are a bit cheaper. I disagree about going armlet on Nightstalker since that's an item usually reserved for str heroes that need attack speed. Nightstalker doesn't have an attack speed issue at night so another item would be better in my opinion. Most games bkb is probably a good option, but it's 3.9k gold. Selling a pair of boots then buying bkb saves ~675 gold (since you'll probably want to sell phase boots) but the idea is that the double boots will allow you to farm/kill more efficiently to make up for that. armlet is pretty good on ns. it's not bought for the AS, it provides a lot of survivability and a decent chunk of raw damage supports should pretty much never buy drums. force staff is more useful in almost all cases. the only downside is obviously the 1000 gold parts, but generally that's not that big of an issue as long as they're not feeding how does selling boots then buying bkb save gold? That's a typo there, whoops. It loses that amount of gold. I don't see supports getting force staff as outrageously since the nerf. It's more expensive, which sucks for supports, and it doesn't provide health/stats like drums. And there's also the aoe mobility you get with drums on top of that.
It's usually the carry who gets drums anyway. As a support, drums usually won't do much to help you survive compared to a naked bracer, and as a support you usually have enough room to just walk around with a bracer for a long time. Personally, I don't like drums on NS anyway because I don't think he doesn't benefit much from all stats at all. He's really not a mana intensive hero as long as you have a bottle.
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Lgd.int so mysterious. The masked avengers of Western doto.
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Look at the schedule. Orange, DK and iG will be playing in the G-1 League LAN Finals from the 24th to the 26th.
Also, TI3 Eastern Qualifiers will be happening at the same time.
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with just bracer or just urn + bottle, NS can really cover his mana though
Never feels the need of drum of NS. I'd go naked Ogre or vit booster if you need more health than a bracer.
His lvl4 hunter of night MS can pretty much kill a slow support who are a stray or slow carry with no escape mechanism.
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