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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On April 25 2013 06:00 Comeh wrote: Oh man, I was bored right now and checked the dotabuff winrates. Man are they weird: http://dotabuff.com/heroes/winning Funny, you'd think it'd be completely flipped.. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:24 TheYango wrote: I don't see anything strange there. Most of the heroes at the top of the list are very high effectiveness pub heroes. Huskar, Storm, Tusk, Tinker, TA, QoP, Enigma, Tiny, Undying, Batrider, Lion, Magnus, Nightstalker...All well below 50% winratio. While towards the top we have Necrolyte(wtf?), SB(One of my personal favorites, but I almost never seeing anyone else use him successfully), Omniknight, Spectre(another wtf?), VS, Treant Protector..All skewed towards the top of the list. At least in my mind, it doesn't make much sense =| | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:30 Excludos wrote: Huskar, Storm, Tusk, Tinker, TA, QoP, Enigma, Tiny, Undying, Batrider, Lion, Magnus, Nightstalker...All well below 50% winratio. While towards the top we have Necrolyte(wtf?), SB(One of my personal favorites, but I almost never seeing anyone else use him successfully), Omniknight, Spectre(another wtf?), VS, Treant Protector..All skewed towards the top of the list. At least in my mind, it doesn't make much sense =| Nightstalker is at 49.98%. Definatelly well below 50% | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:33 SKC wrote: Nightstalker is at 49.98%. Definatelly well below 50% Yes, I'm sorry. Forgive me for my mortal mistake. He is only just below 50%. Meanwhile my point stands. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
game 1 i played bara mid vs dual lane lina naix(sneyking).... brutal... Game 2 random a alchemist and swap into a kunkka, not a carry player in general T_T | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:35 Excludos wrote: Yes, I'm sorry. Forgive me for my mortal mistake. He is only just below 50%. Meanwhile my point stands. Heroes actually far below 50% are either plain bad, hard to use or both. There are a few odd ones here and there, but it's really not that crazy. It's just very weird that you would consider 49.98% bad and 52% good. Neither one is near either end of the list. NS was specially odd because he is the most balanced hero in dota, by those stats. For example, I'm really not sure why you think Huskar being low is odd and also think SB being near the top is weird. Both are pubstompers, shitty at a good level, but SB is just much better since the charge buff. If you were comparing it to competitive tier lists (like people were doing before, for some reason), both would be terrible. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:39 Numy wrote: All the heroes you listed require some kind of skill to achieve their potential. People forget that the larger majority of people that play dota are awful at the game. We generally only see a very small potential of the top I guess..but treant protector near the top? I can not fathom how anyone could make good use of him, much less those who are awful at the game. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:42 Excludos wrote: I guess..but treant protector near the top? I can not fathom how anyone could make good use of him, much less those who are awful at the game. Trent was not near, but at the top before the ult change. It's worse now but still a good low level pub hero. Right now he is at 52%, which is pretty average. | ||
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givemefive
United States300 Posts
you are happy when you win and not that upset when you lose. pretty cool stuff | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:42 Excludos wrote: I guess..but treant protector near the top? I can not fathom how anyone could make good use of him, much less those who are awful at the game. Treant's sort of the opposite of those "strong but hard to use heroes". His potential is low, but it's very easy for someone bad at the game to use him. More so than Tide because he doesn't need a Blink Dagger for his ult--he just uses Nature's Guise because nobody in low level games buys detection. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:46 givemefive wrote: omg ixdl-o is so fun you are happy when you win and not that upset when you lose. pretty cool stuff and you get flamed as you trying to get better and get no items drop :-/... | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On April 25 2013 07:47 TheYango wrote: Treant's sort of the opposite of those "strong but hard to use heroes". His potential is low, but it's very easy for someone bad at the game to use him. More so than Tide because he doesn't need a Blink Dagger for his ult--he just uses Nature's Guise because nobody in low level games buys detection. I think the main issue is that the only people who pick him are good player trolling pubs. At least, that's what I'm guessing... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
It's kinda like Necrolyte or Razor, they see you on low health and keep following you while you steal all their damage or keep healing yourself. I feel like the only reason Razor isn't higher is because people don't realize how good Static Link is, they don't even skill it until later on in the game and just forget to use it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 25 2013 08:01 SKC wrote: It's kinda like Necrolyte or Razor, they see you on low health and keep following you while you steal all their damage or keep healing yourself. I feel like the only reason Razor isn't higher is because people don't realize how good Static Link is, they don't even skill it until later on in the game and just forget to use it. Razor also isn't higher because low level pubs play him as a generic Agi carry and don't enough build defensive items on him. | ||
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