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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 24 2013 17:22 GMT
#53041
On April 25 2013 02:10 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 00:48 BoozerRip wrote:
Thank you based MMR gods

http://dotabuff.com/matches/180084631


Nice brag post, brah. Now gtfo.

Yeah, always odd to brag about stomping a SK with no blink.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 24 2013 17:25 GMT
#53042
My new metric for judging dotabuff links are the deny totals. Instant general idea of the skill bracket.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 24 2013 17:30 GMT
#53043
On April 25 2013 02:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
I hate valve for teasing TI3 via invites to iG then not announcing anything or releasing more info


well you can see august on the invites at least? =p
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
April 24 2013 17:30 GMT
#53044
On April 25 2013 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
My new metric for judging dotabuff links are the deny totals. Instant general idea of the skill bracket.


http://dotabuff.com/matches/180021376

radiant must be awful cuz they only have 6 denies. your new metric is excellent.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 24 2013 17:40 GMT
#53045
On April 25 2013 02:30 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
My new metric for judging dotabuff links are the deny totals. Instant general idea of the skill bracket.


http://dotabuff.com/matches/180021376

radiant must be awful cuz they only have 6 denies. your new metric is excellent.


No, radiant didn't do much in the way of laning. Other team had 43 denies in a 20 min game, thats enough to indicate they have some concept of how to play.

Yes I recognize the names.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 17:46:48
April 24 2013 17:46 GMT
#53046
Does razer need anything in the early-game? I feel I can't get any last hits with him and I open: tango, 3x gg branches and salve.

Is Medallion a valid pick up for him, is BKB?

I have his core as Hood, MEka and drums, is BKB core?
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
April 24 2013 17:53 GMT
#53047
On April 25 2013 02:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does razer need anything in the early-game? I feel I can't get any last hits with him and I open: tango, 3x gg branches and salve.

Is Medallion a valid pick up for him, is BKB?

I have his core as Hood, MEka and drums, is BKB core?


I really like Hood, drums and manta for cores. Movespeed is really good on razor. Bkb is situacional as stuns don't break the static link.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 24 2013 17:54 GMT
#53048
On April 25 2013 02:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does razer need anything in the early-game? I feel I can't get any last hits with him and I open: tango, 3x gg branches and salve.

Is Medallion a valid pick up for him, is BKB?

I have his core as Hood, MEka and drums, is BKB core?


What are you saving for with tango + salve + 3 branches? If you are having problems last-hitting try tango + salve + 2 Slippers of agility + 2 branches (old build but very strong for last hitting).

Medallion doesn't seem that great on him to me. What are you trying to achieve with it? If you get off a good static link you are going to 2-shot everybody early anyway, and late-game medallion is a waste of a slot on a "core" hero like razor.

BKB is legit on every hero in dota, depending on opponents. Razor traditionally doesn't *need* bkb the way many other carries do, since for the first part of a fight all he wants to do is get off a link and then not die. If a hood will get you the "not dying" part, then no need for BKB since link isn't channelling or anything. If it's clear that BKB is needed that game (just look at enemy heroes) then skip hood in favour of BKB.
TL;DR: BKB not core really, its the alternative to hood depending on game situation.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 17:56:39
April 24 2013 17:54 GMT
#53049
On April 25 2013 02:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does razer need anything in the early-game? I feel I can't get any last hits with him and I open: tango, 3x gg branches and salve.

Is Medallion a valid pick up for him, is BKB?

I have his core as Hood, MEka and drums, is BKB core?


Well, hood is part of my core too but i like to go Halberds as well. Phase boots also. I guess medallion is viable? Never tried it myself.

Lot of movement speed and items to make you tanky is my choice.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 24 2013 17:55 GMT
#53050
Yeah, I'm having huge trouble last-hitting, I wasn't sure if I needed to go Aquila's. I got out-last hit by a bane T_T
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:00:37
April 24 2013 17:59 GMT
#53051
On April 25 2013 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
Yeah, I'm having huge trouble last-hitting, I wasn't sure if I needed to go Aquila's. I got out-last hit by a bane T_T


Well his animation is funny because the damage occurs AFTER your whip hits the target. The whip is deceiving, because you actually fire a projectile (an "electric pulse" down the whip) as soon as the whip connects to your target. So think of the whip hitting as the release point of a bow firing an arrow. Just a fast one (but not quite sniper speed I don't think).

And if bane puts his -damage on you you can't last hit no matter who you are (unless you static link the bane to steal his damage instead lol). Bane is pretty good at last-hit wars in general, actually.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:00:27
April 24 2013 18:00 GMT
#53052
On April 25 2013 02:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
Yeah, I'm having huge trouble last-hitting, I wasn't sure if I needed to go Aquila's. I got out-last hit by a bane T_T


Well his animation is funny because the damage occurs AFTER your whip hits the target. The whip is deceiving, because you actually fire a projectile (an "electric pulse" down the whip) as soon as the whip connects to your target.

And if bane puts his -damage on you you can't last hit no matter who you are (unless you static link the bane to steal his damage instead lol).


Bane was on my team lololol ):
yeah, his animation really fucks with me.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:01:30
April 24 2013 18:01 GMT
#53053
I have trouble with razer in the early game because the animation of the lightning hitting the enemy unit does not match up with the time that the damage is inflicted. I think the trick is not to buy more damage but rather to just practice his fucked up hitting animation.

-le sniped
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 24 2013 18:07 GMT
#53054
LOL.

Ah well. Aquila is quite decent on razor, especially for last hitting. The problem is that if you are getting aquila, AND upgraded boots, AND mek, AND drums, AND hood, AND Yasha, then you need like 10K farm to get a bunch of decent but not high-impact items which leaves you in an awkward position since you took a lot of farm but are still relying on somebody else for the true "carry".
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 24 2013 18:09 GMT
#53055
Can I go Aquila and skip wand?

This is my item order so far: 3x branches + consumables -> Aquila -> Boots -> Wand (recipe) -> RoH -> Phase -> Hood -> Drums -> Meka -> The rest is situational.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 18:20:07
April 24 2013 18:18 GMT
#53056
Hood is quite bad. Either go full pipe or just cloak tbh.

Imo build him quite similar to Luna just with different boots (treads or phase doesnt matter. I think tranquils are kinda weak on him, one of the few carries I dislike tranquils). With drums yasha bkb for the crazy movement speed + getting the drain off. Skadi is also pretty amazing on Razor as a 5th/6th item.
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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
April 24 2013 18:25 GMT
#53057
Anyone have any idea of when the ticket for next StarLadder is available? If Qpad qualifies, I'm gonna buy it asap
EZ4ENCE
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 24 2013 18:25 GMT
#53058
The issue is that razor's early game damage isn't nearly as front-loaded as luna's is so just running around fast often gets you killed before you get around to doing actual damage (in contrast to luna who blows her load then runs around fast cleaning up the stragglers).
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
April 24 2013 18:27 GMT
#53059
sooo the gd studio lost 5k on the DH inv. They planned to lose more.

Why do they run tourneys that lose money?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 24 2013 18:27 GMT
#53060
On April 25 2013 03:18 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Hood is quite bad. Either go full pipe or just cloak tbh.

Imo build him quite similar to Luna just with different boots (treads or phase doesnt matter. I think tranquils are kinda weak on him, one of the few carries I dislike tranquils). With drums yasha bkb for the crazy movement speed + getting the drain off. Skadi is also pretty amazing on Razor as a 5th/6th item.


Wouldn't phase + drums be enough to outspeed most people?

I thought Hood was good since it crazy good regen.
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