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PromisE
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Philippines151 Posts
April 20 2013 08:59 GMT
#52441
On April 20 2013 17:40 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 17:35 Alur wrote:
On April 20 2013 16:20 hooahah wrote:
On April 20 2013 10:19 Shaella wrote:
I'm convinced that Skywrath is terrible


well, I just watched Kurok play mid Skywrath and he convinced me that the hero is OP as fuck so :S

he just wrecked faces everywhere

Korok, Kuroky or someone else entirely?

kuronity


TLPD when?
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 09:37:58
April 20 2013 09:20 GMT
#52442
On April 20 2013 17:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 17:09 TheKefka wrote:
On April 20 2013 12:09 PassiveAce wrote:
Wait, if im reading the news section right, they are going to start actually banning in addition to putting people in low p q.

For "communication abuse" only yea
sigh i just don't understand this
Why do developers feel that they need to crack down on shit talking and flaming as much as possible but ragequitting is a lesser evil?
Yesterday I literally had 3 games in a row where someone would just leave after loosing a lane or getting firstblooded in the first 5-10 minutes,practically wasted one hour of my life on nothing.
Communication abuse,give me a fucking break,there's a block button,people should learn to fucking use it.

If someone leaves in the first 5-10 minutes it wastes max 10-15 minutes of your time, not an hour.

Quitting is treated harshly. 2-3 quits and you're in LPQ, where normal people don't have to deal with them.

If someone leaves in 3 games that's 45 minutes wasted + extra 6-10 on que time in between these.So yea it's about an hour,if you're luck and the other team refuses to leave even tho it's 4v5 it racks up.
LPQ is bullshit because I can log out and log onto a smurf and bam I'm not in LPQ anymore.
Quitting is not treated harshly at all,even less now in comparison with communication abuse they announced in their new ban policy.
Cackle™
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 20 2013 09:22 GMT
#52443
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 09:27:22
April 20 2013 09:25 GMT
#52444
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.
Cackle™
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 20 2013 09:27 GMT
#52445
On April 20 2013 17:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 17:09 TheKefka wrote:
On April 20 2013 12:09 PassiveAce wrote:
Wait, if im reading the news section right, they are going to start actually banning in addition to putting people in low p q.

For "communication abuse" only yea
sigh i just don't understand this
Why do developers feel that they need to crack down on shit talking and flaming as much as possible but ragequitting is a lesser evil?
Yesterday I literally had 3 games in a row where someone would just leave after loosing a lane or getting firstblooded in the first 5-10 minutes,practically wasted one hour of my life on nothing.
Communication abuse,give me a fucking break,there's a block button,people should learn to fucking use it.

If someone leaves in the first 5-10 minutes it wastes max 10-15 minutes of your time, not an hour.

Quitting is treated harshly. 2-3 quits and you're in LPQ, where normal people don't have to deal with them.

thats really not harsh enough. i've played a fair amount of low win account games and its accurate to say 80% of them have leavers. smurf accounts just exacerbate the problem
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 20 2013 09:48 GMT
#52446
Can't wait to see drow shake things up in -cm, even though i hate her as a pubstomp hero. Would probably work best in a 3-core ranged line up. More wr picks on the offlane; mid heroes like qop, ta (i rmb qqing before, he hits like a truck even with no items), furion as jungler. Gryo and drow might work well together too. Hopefully we will see low base dmg heroes like qw invoker and mirana being more viable. Also more clockwerk as a natural counter to drow :D

i would never believe those who think drow will just get relegated to pubstomping role, having aoe silence and aura on a dps hero is just too good to pass up. Though it's up to the team to ban her or ban the heroes that can complement with her.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 20 2013 09:59 GMT
#52447
On April 20 2013 18:25 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.

it takes you 10min to create a steam account, transfer a dota2 key. Then 15min to play the tutorial. Then you spend 3h playing with retards without courier(if you're borderline vhigh). I would behave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 20 2013 10:00 GMT
#52448
On April 20 2013 18:59 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:25 TheKefka wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.

it takes you 10min to create a steam account, transfer a dota2 key. Then 15min to play the tutorial. Then you spend 3h playing with retards without courier(if you're borderline vhigh). I would behave.

You can speed up dota and play the tutorial in like 10 seconds.
And you can easily stomp the first few games, with ease, doesn't matter if your allies are retarded.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 20 2013 10:03 GMT
#52449
What do you mean speed up dota ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 10:05:35
April 20 2013 10:05 GMT
#52450
On April 20 2013 19:03 Erasme wrote:
What do you mean speed up dota ?

sv_cheats 1
and then host_timescale 10

Than you play the tutorial in 10 times speed
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
April 20 2013 10:19 GMT
#52451
On April 20 2013 19:05 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 19:03 Erasme wrote:
What do you mean speed up dota ?

sv_cheats 1
and then host_timescale 10

Than you play the tutorial in 10 times speed

Mind = blown.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 10:40:48
April 20 2013 10:34 GMT
#52452
On April 20 2013 18:25 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.

And that's like playing 10 games in LPQ, even worse.

Yes you destroy, and waste time doing so playing against players who aren't meant to play against you.

Also in my experience it's not 10 games, It's more like ~40-50. And that won't be your true MMR it will be near it.

You must gather your party before venturing forth.
3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
April 20 2013 10:40 GMT
#52453
It's much better to have a smurf account to jump on when things go to shit. And yeah, it's more like only 1 game against retards if you play 5 stack, where only you have 0 games played and your friends have their main accounts.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
April 20 2013 11:08 GMT
#52454
On April 20 2013 15:33 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 15:28 pebble444 wrote:
Hi i' m new to Dota i see streams sometimes but don' t understand very well can someone help me explain how it work?


Pick hero, kill creeps, kill enemy when possible. Don't die. When possible push. Sneak in a Roshan if you want.


I hope that's not your standard advice. 99% of new players need to be told not to kill creeps.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 20 2013 11:10 GMT
#52455
On April 20 2013 19:34 Andr3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:25 TheKefka wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.

And that's like playing 10 games in LPQ, even worse.

Yes you destroy, and waste time doing so playing against players who aren't meant to play against you.

Also in my experience it's not 10 games, It's more like ~40-50. And that won't be your true MMR it will be near it.


i really wonder if actual new players have to go through so many abandon prone games
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
April 20 2013 11:10 GMT
#52456
the fuck... new patch and after 3 games I get my first ever chatban... with 2000+ hours played... :/
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
April 20 2013 11:19 GMT
#52457
On April 20 2013 19:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 19:05 Yoshi- wrote:
On April 20 2013 19:03 Erasme wrote:
What do you mean speed up dota ?

sv_cheats 1
and then host_timescale 10

Than you play the tutorial in 10 times speed

Mind = blown.


or just dota_new_user 0 to skip the tutorial entirely
dont ever say that
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 11:26:29
April 20 2013 11:24 GMT
#52458
On April 20 2013 20:10 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 19:34 Andr3 wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:25 TheKefka wrote:
On April 20 2013 18:22 Erasme wrote:
And bam you're playing with bad players. Also you have to play the tutorial lmao

So you destroy 10 low lvl games(or even less) and you're pretty much back in the bracket you belong in for good and every time you get lpq you can just jump on it.
It's either wait 5+ minutes in lpq and play with bad players or make a smurf in 2 mins and get a game in the same time and play with bad players for a few games.Real hard decision.

And that's like playing 10 games in LPQ, even worse.

Yes you destroy, and waste time doing so playing against players who aren't meant to play against you.

Also in my experience it's not 10 games, It's more like ~40-50. And that won't be your true MMR it will be near it.


i really wonder if actual new players have to go through so many abandon prone games


Yes. We do.

Honestly dota's lpq system is useless as long as the game is f2p.

For a legitimately good player who misbehaves, you might be able to make a case that it's easier to do the time rather than set up a completely new account and get it to vhigh.
For the career criminals, though, the retards who leave every second game and "mid or feed" and flame everyone constantly and tiny-throw their supports... those people are in trash tier anyway. If they remake an account, the general skill of their opponents might actually go up. They are a far more serious problem than idle raging from a vhigh guy, and lpq does nothing to help. In fact, it arguably makes things worse, since every time they remake they go back in to ruin even more games for genuine noobs.

Also communication blocking is a terrible idea. Dota is all about communication. I'd rather have a guy flame me while calling mid with void, rather than not be flamed but also not be aware he's doing something that strange. You can just block people as soon as it's clear they're not worth listening to, anyway.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 20 2013 11:40 GMT
#52459
SM is super squishy though.

And BKB really screws him over.
Play your best
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 20 2013 11:52 GMT
#52460
I just taught a clock that cogs are a bad skill to use when facing SkyBoss.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
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