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On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help
how exactly is that bad?
Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect.
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It's only bad if you're fighting next to creeps or if the enemy team has summons, though they should usually die pretty quickly to random AoE flying around.
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On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect.
How many times an opponent get out of position by overextending and you choose your hero to kill those? Chasing these heroes shouldn't be a role in hero. I mean I love to play with razor but he is hardly viable in any composition. He needs to stay alive but has nowhere near good stat gain, no team fight presence. Still can be focused instead of static.
He needs some kind of magical immunity and/or rework of ulti, maybe targets lowest hp hero and gives priority to heroes with -2 armor per hit or something, shorter cd etc.. You dive to lane with ulti and it hits only creeps rarely heroes. Completely shit.
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On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect.
I didn't think his ult granted flying vision, fail to see how it makes him hard to fog. Plasma field also reveals the area around him, it's a much better skill for seeing through fog than his ult. If you meant static link then that's not really relevant to his ult. I mean this isn't a case like WR where the ult is "situationally awesome for tower pushing", it's in the "competing for worst ultimate in the game" category unless you have an Agh's in which case it joins WR's ult in usefulness. I cannot name a worse ultimate, honestly. I can barely name a worse skill.
If all teamfights occurred in the middle of nowhere then his ult could be considered rather good. However, most teamfights occur with a lot of creeps around and those creeps conveniently have lower HP than heroes with all the nukes going off. I'd rather have +2 stats than have an ult that's hitting the enemy melee creeps or jungle satyrs instead of the full HP doombringer in front of me.
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This LGD vs iG 5v5 Pudge game is hilarious.. my sides omg
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Get a deadalus and suddenly, wr ult is the best in the game. With few items you suddenly hit as hard as alchemist and faster
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On April 19 2013 17:02 Erasme wrote:
Get a deadalus and suddenly, wr ult is the best in the game. With few items you suddenly hit as hard as alchemist and faster
Daedalus doesn't sound like "few items" for a presumably offlane windrunner to me... haha.
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On April 19 2013 17:01 blahz0r wrote:
This LGD vs iG 5v5 Pudge game is hilarious.. my sides omg
WHERE
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On April 19 2013 17:30 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 17:01 blahz0r wrote:
This LGD vs iG 5v5 Pudge game is hilarious.. my sides omg WHERE
watch iG in game
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fuck, missed it ![[image loading]](https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/544238_400232750084694_1200515207_n.png)
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On April 19 2013 16:57 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect. I didn't think his ult granted flying vision, fail to see how it makes him hard to fog. Plasma field also reveals the area around him, it's a much better skill for seeing through fog than his ult. If you meant static link then that's not really relevant to his ult. I mean this isn't a case like WR where the ult is "situationally awesome for tower pushing", it's in the "competing for worst ultimate in the game" category unless you have an Agh's in which case it joins WR's ult in usefulness. I cannot name a worse ultimate, honestly. I can barely name a worse skill. If all teamfights occurred in the middle of nowhere then his ult could be considered rather good. However, most teamfights occur with a lot of creeps around and those creeps conveniently have lower HP than heroes with all the nukes going off. I'd rather have +2 stats than have an ult that's hitting the enemy melee creeps or jungle satyrs instead of the full HP doombringer in front of me.
no, it doesn't give him vision but afaik it still hits targets near him. I know it's helped me before when people try to juke in the trees near the T3s or T2s.
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Yes, Razor's ulti is a bit annoying when it only targets really low hp heroes, but that's just how lightning-based ults work in this game much like Laguna Blade and Thundergod's Wrath.
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On April 19 2013 18:25 Appendix wrote:
Yes, Razor's ulti is a bit annoying when it only targets really low hp heroes, but that's just how lightning-based ults work in this game much like Laguna Blade and Thundergod's Wrath.
Eh?
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On April 19 2013 18:25 Appendix wrote:
Yes, Razor's ulti is a bit annoying when it only targets really low hp heroes, but that's just how lightning-based ults work in this game much like Laguna Blade and Thundergod's Wrath.
Haha.
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What's with all the hate for Razor? He's such a good hero, he has so much damage from his skills. Between ulti, link and expanding ring of zap he's so strong in early to middle parts of the game. All he needs is a pair of phase boots and maybe a casual vitality booster and he's ready to destroy everything. He's even more rape with a good partner like a bane or a veno or something.
Sure his shite stats keep him from being a good hard carry, but that's not why you play him.
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On talkdota they said he was picked more when people relied on a lot of single target spells, but at the time of the video people were picking jakiro, lesh, lina, etc.
If it goes back to cm/venge type supports, maybe he'll become popular again.
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I also see him as a useable "counter" to Naix as his rage doesn't iirc clear the static link. Of course it does nothing to his feast damage but it's something right?
Buuuut I s'pose in this era of trilanes he doesn't really offer too much in the lane which is what keeps him out of the pro meta.
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On April 19 2013 16:57 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect. I didn't think his ult granted flying vision, fail to see how it makes him hard to fog. Plasma field also reveals the area around him, it's a much better skill for seeing through fog than his ult. If you meant static link then that's not really relevant to his ult. I mean this isn't a case like WR where the ult is "situationally awesome for tower pushing", it's in the "competing for worst ultimate in the game" category unless you have an Agh's in which case it joins WR's ult in usefulness. I cannot name a worse ultimate, honestly. I can barely name a worse skill. If all teamfights occurred in the middle of nowhere then his ult could be considered rather good. However, most teamfights occur with a lot of creeps around and those creeps conveniently have lower HP than heroes with all the nukes going off. I'd rather have +2 stats than have an ult that's hitting the enemy melee creeps or jungle satyrs instead of the full HP doombringer in front of me.
if you stay alive the full 30 seconds duration, the ulti will dished out a total of 975/1900/3375 (1125/2250/4125 with Agh) and minus 26/38/54 armor
that's a pretty decent damage even though its spreads to multiple target
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On April 19 2013 19:13 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:57 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect. I didn't think his ult granted flying vision, fail to see how it makes him hard to fog. Plasma field also reveals the area around him, it's a much better skill for seeing through fog than his ult. If you meant static link then that's not really relevant to his ult. I mean this isn't a case like WR where the ult is "situationally awesome for tower pushing", it's in the "competing for worst ultimate in the game" category unless you have an Agh's in which case it joins WR's ult in usefulness. I cannot name a worse ultimate, honestly. I can barely name a worse skill. If all teamfights occurred in the middle of nowhere then his ult could be considered rather good. However, most teamfights occur with a lot of creeps around and those creeps conveniently have lower HP than heroes with all the nukes going off. I'd rather have +2 stats than have an ult that's hitting the enemy melee creeps or jungle satyrs instead of the full HP doombringer in front of me. if you stay alive the full 30 seconds duration, the ulti will dished out a total of 975/1900/3375 (1125/2250/4125 with Agh) and minus 26/38/54 armor that's a pretty decent damage even though its spreads to multiple target
I think his argument is that it hits creeps, but honestly I didn't really understand his argument in the first place anyway.
I mean, luna ulti hits creeps too but it's not like it makes it terrible
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On April 19 2013 19:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 19:13 sandyph wrote:On April 19 2013 16:57 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 16:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 19 2013 16:37 Nevuk wrote:On April 19 2013 15:44 Shaella wrote:On April 19 2013 15:43 rabidch wrote:On April 19 2013 15:41 Nevuk wrote:
If Razor's ult weren't the most useless thing in the game... here's an idea, have it target what has the highest HP rather than the lowest. Or make it % based or something, the ult is good for hitting creeps in the jungle and I can't really name anything else.
I do think that giving him +5 MS wouldn't be unreasonable given the nerf to boots a while back. its the most awesome thing with refresher try using it in WTF mode :D Its great, stacks up on itself and then just kills everything in range. I would rather have zeus ult in wtf Anyways, Razor's ult is bad and overlaps with many other abilities like edict or gyro's rockets or clock's battery assault in being best to use vs a solo enemy. There's nothing really unique about the skill except that it targets the lowest HP target which just makes it worse than if it was randomly targeted 95% of the time. Also Razor's completely shit stat gain doesn't help how exactly is that bad? Razor excels at chasing and it's hard to fog him because of this effect. I didn't think his ult granted flying vision, fail to see how it makes him hard to fog. Plasma field also reveals the area around him, it's a much better skill for seeing through fog than his ult. If you meant static link then that's not really relevant to his ult. I mean this isn't a case like WR where the ult is "situationally awesome for tower pushing", it's in the "competing for worst ultimate in the game" category unless you have an Agh's in which case it joins WR's ult in usefulness. I cannot name a worse ultimate, honestly. I can barely name a worse skill. If all teamfights occurred in the middle of nowhere then his ult could be considered rather good. However, most teamfights occur with a lot of creeps around and those creeps conveniently have lower HP than heroes with all the nukes going off. I'd rather have +2 stats than have an ult that's hitting the enemy melee creeps or jungle satyrs instead of the full HP doombringer in front of me. if you stay alive the full 30 seconds duration, the ulti will dished out a total of 975/1900/3375 (1125/2250/4125 with Agh) and minus 26/38/54 armor that's a pretty decent damage even though its spreads to multiple target I think his argument is that it hits creeps, but honestly I didn't really understand his argument in the first place anyway. I mean, luna ulti hits creeps too but it's not like it makes it terrible
in its current state it doesnt do damage fast enough, which is why he says it should have different or more selective choices of targets (though, refresher shows how ridiculous this spell can be)
it used to be very strong in conjunction with ranged vanguard but the numbers just arent good enough right now. it doesnt help that razors a weak pusher because of his weak scaling, so he doesnt really offer any role in any lineup atm other than "can maybe counter X hero"
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