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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 01:38:04
April 12 2013 01:32 GMT
#51401
Burning farms well under pressure, doesn't get smoke ganked or caught out too much and contributes to his team when he feels like he has the items to do so(which is sometimes earlier then people expect). I has to be said that the team is a bit build around Burning and his style though.

Oh yeah and he can 1v9.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 01:39:08
April 12 2013 01:35 GMT
#51402
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 01:41:01
April 12 2013 01:40 GMT
#51403
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


huh didnt they lose that game in g league
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 12 2013 01:58 GMT
#51404
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


I agree, but I don't think he's as good as Zhou or old-ZSMJ, though. I haven't seen much of ZSMJ in dota 2 and he seems a bit rusty, but I do think that with time ZSMJ has the capacity to be better. And to top it off ZSMJ has the support of probably the most talented mid in the world (cty) who is currently showing some huge potential as well.

DK is basically nothing without burning and he does an admirable job of keeping his team afloat, but as long as he doesn't play heroes well outside of antimage/sylla/alchemist, he's not going to be as good as Zhou.

Burning's biggest weakness IMO is his hero pool/versatility. He sucks in high-tempo, early-mid game oriented matches. I think this was exemplified best when DK put him on slardar last year and he looked like he had no idea what he was doing item and decision-wise. I haven't seen him much on naix, luna, lycan, jug, etc. It's not his style to group and push, but IMO it's probably the best strategy currently. Look at iG: the only really late-game oriented carry they've been picking outside of sylla is PL, and that's probably because PL is really broken with KoTL.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 02:07:49
April 12 2013 01:58 GMT
#51405
On April 12 2013 10:40 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


huh didnt they lose that game in g league


match that happened about 2days ago, that legendary feeder rotk qop game!

I will change back when xy is back/zenith going for the next big tourney.


On April 12 2013 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


I agree, but I don't think he's as good as Zhou or old-ZSMJ, though. I haven't seen much of ZSMJ in dota 2 and he seems a bit rusty, but I do think that with time ZSMJ has the capacity to be better. And to top it off ZSMJ has the support of probably the most talented mid in the world (cty) who is currently showing some huge potential as well.

DK is basically nothing without burning and he does an admirable job of keeping his team afloat, but as long as he doesn't play heroes well outside of antimage/sylla/alchemist, he's not going to be as good as Zhou.

Burning's biggest weakness IMO is his hero pool/versatility. He sucks in high-tempo, early-mid game oriented matches. I think this was exemplified best when DK put him on slardar last year and he looked like he had no idea what he was doing item and decision-wise. I haven't seen him much on naix, luna, lycan, jug, etc. It's not his style to group and push, but IMO it's probably the best strategy currently. Look at iG: the only really late-game oriented carry they've been picking outside of sylla is PL, and that's probably because PL is really broken with KoTL.


ah saying he is the best is just me being a fanboy talking, i love zhou too being the carry who is best at 1 protects 4 lol and a few of vg games happened lately showed that zsmj is still very good but i reserve my opinion until they meet with top tier chinese teams.

The thing with Burning is that he played support/hardlane before he became the famous carry player, and seeing that he is willing to play hardlane by giving safelane to rotk.....mad respect to the man being the leader of DK. And i agree on what you said on his versatility of playing certain heroes, he actually didnt play that many heroes like for example it was the first time i saw him on weaver for ages.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 02:00:23
April 12 2013 01:59 GMT
#51406
oh wow yea i wasnt around so i missed that
is there a vod somewhere

also stuck on finding server for 11 minutes now new personal record LOL
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 02:09:26
April 12 2013 02:04 GMT
#51407
You have to watch that game. Imagine you were in his place in that game seeing your qop with that stats.........

I know the opponent was LGD.int and all but still, impressive performance from DK lol.

vod:
+ Show Spoiler +
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 12 2013 03:30 GMT
#51408
On April 12 2013 10:58 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:40 FinestHour wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


huh didnt they lose that game in g league


match that happened about 2days ago, that legendary feeder rotk qop game!

I will change back when xy is back/zenith going for the next big tourney.


Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


I agree, but I don't think he's as good as Zhou or old-ZSMJ, though. I haven't seen much of ZSMJ in dota 2 and he seems a bit rusty, but I do think that with time ZSMJ has the capacity to be better. And to top it off ZSMJ has the support of probably the most talented mid in the world (cty) who is currently showing some huge potential as well.

DK is basically nothing without burning and he does an admirable job of keeping his team afloat, but as long as he doesn't play heroes well outside of antimage/sylla/alchemist, he's not going to be as good as Zhou.

Burning's biggest weakness IMO is his hero pool/versatility. He sucks in high-tempo, early-mid game oriented matches. I think this was exemplified best when DK put him on slardar last year and he looked like he had no idea what he was doing item and decision-wise. I haven't seen him much on naix, luna, lycan, jug, etc. It's not his style to group and push, but IMO it's probably the best strategy currently. Look at iG: the only really late-game oriented carry they've been picking outside of sylla is PL, and that's probably because PL is really broken with KoTL.


ah saying he is the best is just me being a fanboy talking, i love zhou too being the carry who is best at 1 protects 4 lol and a few of vg games happened lately showed that zsmj is still very good but i reserve my opinion until they meet with top tier chinese teams.

The thing with Burning is that he played support/hardlane before he became the famous carry player, and seeing that he is willing to play hardlane by giving safelane to rotk.....mad respect to the man being the leader of DK. And i agree on what you said on his versatility of playing certain heroes, he actually didnt play that many heroes like for example it was the first time i saw him on weaver for ages.

burning has played a lot of heroes, more than zsmj ever could: zsmj wished he had a morphling as good as burnings. i was a huge LGD back when zsmj played and literally (literally) only time i thought burning wasnt as good as zsmj was when burning was on CH and zsmj was on FTD and the very early stages of EHOME when nobody knew who the fuck were their carries.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 12 2013 03:43 GMT
#51409
zsmj shined in an older version of dota, id say burning is better than him
i only smurf to play with kupo/kollin.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 03:49:49
April 12 2013 03:49 GMT
#51410
if drow is introduced back into cmode I wonder if ZSMJ/Burning will pick her up.

They were both pretty good on her; I remember watching Burning playing her in the offlane against ZSMJ's medusa back when he still played the 3 role.
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
April 12 2013 04:10 GMT
#51411
All of the top carries have different styles

Burning likes to get involved around the map
Zhou is extremely adaptable to different styles and just manages to do what he needs to do
Sylar doesn't really fuck up and is very stable if he is given room early on

In my opinion it is difficult to compare them objectively because they work differently with their teams. IDK if Burning would do well with LGD for example
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
April 12 2013 04:30 GMT
#51412
Man, these constant server hiccups be getting annoying. It feels like it is getting worse.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
April 12 2013 05:00 GMT
#51413
On April 12 2013 13:30 Nilrem wrote:
Man, these constant server hiccups be getting annoying. It feels like it is getting worse.


They are. I got at least 20 spikes in my last game, anywhere from 3-8 seconds each.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 05:02:48
April 12 2013 05:02 GMT
#51414
Understanding BurNIng and Zhou is understanding the divergent paths that the Chinese meta has taken since the days of 2010

(something I translated/adapted at some point from a chinese netizen)

Note: Zhou is a transliteration of "舟", which means a small boat, often the traditional Chinese "junk" type of craft

If there is one word to describe Zhou's style of DotA, I would choose Burning
From the player once protected above all to the jokingly named 4th position, Zhou has always been the consummate carry, the carry most able to aid the team, the carry most able to fight. In many games, he is often not the brightest, not the one to kill the most, but the one most vital to the team. Burning himself to illuminate his teammates, Zhou is that ETERNAL BLAZE, the engine so full of fire that drives the team forward.

Burning is Zhou's DotA style!

If there is one word to describe Burning's style of DotA, I would choose Zhou
From the player who played the best Chen in China to the jokingly named Best Carry in the Universe, what has Burning's dota always felt like to people? Sometimes he's not the one to farm the fastest, not the most ferocious in battle, but always the most consistent. The kind of boat that can keep its compass no matter how fierce the storm, passing through hurricanes and tsunamis to stay the course. Be it a collapsing sky or a sundering earth, to be unflinchingly resolute and steer on despite precipitous weather.

Zhou is Burning's DotA style!

Zhou burning BurNing zhou, interesting. Duels of destiny often have their serendipitous inevitabilities, the heavens must have been well versed in this when arranging these fated rivals.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
April 12 2013 05:07 GMT
#51415
these servers need a restart or something. this is just retarded
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 12 2013 05:14 GMT
#51416
On April 12 2013 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 10:35 BurningSera wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 12 2013 10:20 icystorage wrote:
People are saying that Burning is #1 carry, i know this is subjective, but what makes him #1? the number of kills he gets?
i know he farms very fast.

in general, what makes a good carry?


not dying, farming well, contributing to his team's win basically.

Burning is probably unparalleled in being able to pull his team to a win single-handedly.


To me, the biggest difference between him (being the best carry in this universe) and other carry players is that his thinking on buying what items under any situation is always the most solid way to ensure the team to win. Being solid is not being passive/pussy, he simply has the best understanding of what/how/when to buy what items for his heroes that matches with his crazy farming skill. And his perseverance of doing his very best in everything no matter how far behind his team is.

Goddamn I am changing my favourite team to DK because I flamed them alot when they were playing bad (but i always say burning did a great job). And i need to watch that Game1 of DK vs LGD.int again, B-God <3

edit: hell yeah, i am now in the DK camp. They may not even close to being the top3 of g1 atm but I am just a 'braindead fan' of B-God here, gogo previous champion you can do it!


I agree, but I don't think he's as good as Zhou or old-ZSMJ, though. I haven't seen much of ZSMJ in dota 2 and he seems a bit rusty, but I do think that with time ZSMJ has the capacity to be better. And to top it off ZSMJ has the support of probably the most talented mid in the world (cty) who is currently showing some huge potential as well.

DK is basically nothing without burning and he does an admirable job of keeping his team afloat, but as long as he doesn't play heroes well outside of antimage/sylla/alchemist, he's not going to be as good as Zhou.

Burning's biggest weakness IMO is his hero pool/versatility. He sucks in high-tempo, early-mid game oriented matches. I think this was exemplified best when DK put him on slardar last year and he looked like he had no idea what he was doing item and decision-wise. I haven't seen him much on naix, luna, lycan, jug, etc. It's not his style to group and push, but IMO it's probably the best strategy currently. Look at iG: the only really late-game oriented carry they've been picking outside of sylla is PL, and that's probably because PL is really broken with KoTL.


DK got Super,Rotk,Dai and QQQ.

I personally agreed with LD.
That DK roster is very talented outside of iG.

Saying DK is basically nothing without Burning is nonsense and just your opinion.
Just because they prefer to play 4 protect 1 doesn't meant that DK is nothing without Burning.
Play your best
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
April 12 2013 05:16 GMT
#51417
http://www.thealliance.gg/

NoTidehunters sponsor team.
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
April 12 2013 05:24 GMT
#51418
On April 12 2013 14:16 ReignSupreme. wrote:
http://www.thealliance.gg/

NoTidehunters sponsor team.

Is this a swedish organization? Holy
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
April 12 2013 05:44 GMT
#51419
On April 12 2013 14:24 Delphiki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:16 ReignSupreme. wrote:
http://www.thealliance.gg/

NoTidehunters sponsor team.

Is this a swedish organization? Holy


So thats why they booted EE
...
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
April 12 2013 05:44 GMT
#51420
So Razer is gonna do more than just hardware? Pretty nice I bet considering how much money they make.
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