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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 08 2013 22:07 GMT
#51041
I am currently trying to convince people that Aghs is insanely good on NS
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
April 08 2013 22:12 GMT
#51042
Why are some heroes, like Drow Ranger, not included in captain's mode?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 08 2013 22:12 GMT
#51043
Of course it is. My favourite maphack vision in the game.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 08 2013 22:15 GMT
#51044
On April 09 2013 07:12 Najda wrote:
Why are some heroes, like Drow Ranger, not included in captain's mode?

New release or just got reworked in a major way so they aren't in cm for balance issues until icefrog is satisfied they are balanced.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:37:54
April 08 2013 22:16 GMT
#51045
On April 09 2013 07:07 Shaella wrote:
I am currently trying to convince people that Aghs is insanely good on NS


it is insanely good but it also is completly reliant on the skill of the players in the game. It's one of those items that is borderline OP if it's used in pro matches but in your standard pub, it's probably wasted gold. If the players in the game aren't good enough to react to the increased vision and make use of the control, you're better off just getting AC or something that will allow you to do more damage and help the team more directly. I mean pubs get ganked or take terrible initiations with full ward vision etc., so I can see why some would say it's not good. The money is probably better spent on something else in low/mid skill pub games, but if you are a skilled player with a real team, it's very nice situational item.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:33:58
April 08 2013 22:33 GMT
#51046
It also depends a lot on the game. It's a gank/map control, but in terms of up-front teamfighting power, it's decidedly mediocre compared to other items.

Honestly, NS's items have a lot of variation. Other than the majority of games requiring BKB at some point, I wouldn't say there's anything that you absolutely have to buy on him. It all comes down to how the game develops and your understanding of what situations require which items.
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
April 08 2013 22:42 GMT
#51047
I think agh's is kind of a niche item path for NS. If he doesn't snowball, then you still want him to be an effective member of the team late game. The aghs/gem combo can work to provide situational awareness as well as spot shadow blades and other invis engagements.

What it doesn't provide is right click damage, or in-fight damage of any kind. If you're snowballing, why slow down by throwing money at an item that doesn't directly help kill people.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 08 2013 22:44 GMT
#51048
On April 09 2013 07:42 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
I think agh's is kind of a niche item path for NS. If he doesn't snowball, then you still want him to be an effective member of the team late game. The aghs/gem combo can work to provide situational awareness as well as spot shadow blades and other invis engagements.

What it doesn't provide is right click damage, or in-fight damage of any kind. If you're snowballing, why slow down by throwing money at an item that doesn't directly help kill people.

Because it cements your map dominance and control completely, the enemies can't hide from you, and will almost never have vision
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:48:31
April 08 2013 22:47 GMT
#51049
But you have to have map dominance and control to cement. If the enemy is just going to 5 man barrel down a lane and not give you an opportunity to catch people, then what does Agh's do for you? Decidedly worse option in that scenario than BKB, Armlet, or AC (and possibly even more situational options like Drums, Vanguard, or Vlad's) that give you straight-up fighting power.

That obviously doesn't/can't happen every game, but again, all situational.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 23:28:20
April 08 2013 23:23 GMT
#51050
I'd argue that if you don't have map dominance and control to cement then your draft didn't accomplish what it should have and anything past the point isn't going to really change the outcome of the game but that's a rather extreme approach.

edit: I think I may have misread and people are talking about rushing agh? If so then don't really agree with that at all
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 08 2013 23:31 GMT
#51051
LGD.cn vs Zenith.... how to bet?
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 08 2013 23:43 GMT
#51052
I think it could go either way
So i bet zenith for the better return
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
April 08 2013 23:55 GMT
#51053
is dd back or are they still playing with longdd standin? because on dota2lounge lgd.cn is given 62% which i consider quite high seeing their latest performances..
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 09 2013 00:09 GMT
#51054
Zenith isnt doing too well vs iG either. They do have the talents but they are just not taking the game seriously enough and with such unstable ban pick style, it is quite hard to measure their level.

The odds isnt that good on Zenith either, 6.4 for 4 isnt worth taking considering the risk is way higher than that. I might have to sit this out actually.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 09 2013 00:10 GMT
#51055
On April 09 2013 08:55 babishh wrote:
is dd back or are they still playing with longdd standin? because on dota2lounge lgd.cn is given 62% which i consider quite high seeing their latest performances..

idk, but I think xy will be back for zenith
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 09 2013 00:11 GMT
#51056
On April 09 2013 09:09 NB wrote:
Zenith isnt doing too well vs iG either. They do have the talents but they are just not taking the game seriously enough and with such unstable ban pick style, it is quite hard to measure their level.

The odds isnt that good on Zenith either, 6.4 for 4 isnt worth taking considering the risk is way higher than that. I might have to sit this out actually.

coward
GO BIG OR GO HOOOME
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 09 2013 00:14 GMT
#51057
On April 09 2013 09:11 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 09:09 NB wrote:
Zenith isnt doing too well vs iG either. They do have the talents but they are just not taking the game seriously enough and with such unstable ban pick style, it is quite hard to measure their level.

The odds isnt that good on Zenith either, 6.4 for 4 isnt worth taking considering the risk is way higher than that. I might have to sit this out actually.

coward
GO BIG OR GO HOOOME

My giant inventory begs the differ The safe betting strategy of mine has earned me almost 2 pages of rares. http://dota2lounge.com/profile?id=76561198032733996
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DeltaX
Profile Joined August 2011
United States287 Posts
April 09 2013 00:18 GMT
#51058
What do people like to get on slark as their first major item? I keep going Skadi on him, but I feel like there should be something better. Main reason I get it is because I'm always out of mana on him and the HP is a nice buffer so you can get out of fights to heal up fast. Better to go basher first or something?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 09 2013 00:21 GMT
#51059
On April 09 2013 09:18 DeltaX wrote:
What do people like to get on slark as their first major item? I keep going Skadi on him, but I feel like there should be something better. Main reason I get it is because I'm always out of mana on him and the HP is a nice buffer so you can get out of fights to heal up fast. Better to go basher first or something?

Necrobook.
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Soulstice
Profile Joined December 2011
United States288 Posts
April 09 2013 00:23 GMT
#51060
Ive got a quick question. up until recently tp scrolls were always in the quickbuy menu below the shop button, but now it switched to mechanism. I can put a tp scroll there manually, but it disapears after i buy one. (unlike before) Is it possible to get tp scrolls there permanently again, or did that change in a patch or something?
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