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On April 04 2013 09:37 Mataza wrote:
The race between blizzard allstars and dota 12 release will be a tough one. It's blizzard vs. valve. Who will be slower.
On one hand, Dota 2 is in open beta, so full release is only when dota 2 is considered finished in some way.
But blizzard haven't even shown more than 20 consecutive seconds of gameplay yet and have not shown their map yet. Yet they announced to make several maps, because they can.
I would probably get a bigger return by putting 10 bucks in a bank with standard interest than betting 10 bucks on who finishes the game first.
I don't think it's a race at all. With DotA 2 and LoL already here, I honestly don't see room for a third game.
Dota 2 has essentially been released. I think Valve is forward-thinking enough to realize that the future of multiplayer gaming isn't going to lie in hard release dates and botched products that don't meet expectations, but a gradually evolving, rolling release where games grow with players' feedback and evolving expectations.
LoL, on the other hand, is firmly established with a huge fanbase. It's not going anywhere. However, if I had to guess which game blizz allstars will compete with, it would be LoL.
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On April 04 2013 09:21 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:15 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On April 04 2013 08:39 Numy wrote:On April 04 2013 08:32 crms wrote:On April 04 2013 08:30 Numy wrote:
Think the bigger problem than fun tutorials is noob games without tons of leavers. this seems to have gotten really bad lately. I made a couple new smurfs recently and the amount of leavers and purposeful throwing (like running to enemy well) was like something I haven't seen in dota2. It's even happened on my main quite a few times lately and it has relatively high pub mmr. I had the same experience,w as smurfing with two friends who I just gave dota too and were lanning. One has never played dota before so we were in ultra noob games. Every game we played had at least 2 people raging, 1 guy quiting and someone feeding. Never had such a bad experience in pub dota. I was contemplating playing on my main just so we got better games but it would be way too high level for my friends. Smurfing is probably the cause of the bad newbie games. Learning a new game with a bunch of new people is fun. Everyone's bad, funny stuff happens and we all learn from it. Learning a new game while some guy with 10x more experience and 5 dota keys decides to smurf in ultra noob games is not fun. In that circumstance, don't be surprised if people think it's an unfair playing field and rage quit. I would. At least in a game like COD, everyone is put on equal footing. Die to a much superior player in COD, and you can come back and have the same chance against him next time. In Dota, die to a much superior player and it'll be even easier for him to kill you next time, because of items (let's not even talk about the double punishment of death - he/she gets money, you lose it). I get that you want to play with friends, but in my experience it just doesn't work. One player can have way too much influence over a game. If Valve wants to bring in the newbies, it'll have to find a way to keep their games as smurf free as possible. And if they had to keep the game 'smurf free' they have to come out with a working MM that allows us to play with newbies friends without headache. Many of us (or most of us) are forced to play on smurf with casual friends because MM doesnt work in the first place.
Personally, I don't think it's possible when there's a large gap in skill level to MM effectively, simply from the mechanics of the game and the way heroes snowball as they get kills.
+ Show Spoiler +Let's try it. Here's your team (fictional ELO used):
You (1000), Friend (100), Friend (100), Friend (100), Friend (100)
Sum ELO: 1400
Ok, so how would you matchmake against this team?
Possibility 1: Match the sum ELO
Opponent: 300, 300, 300, 300, 200
Result: Two of your lanes probably lose, but you're so much better that you can carry the team by yourself.
Possibility 2: Match the sum ELO + bonus (to account for good player)
Opponent: 400, 400, 400, 400, 400
Result: Two of your lanes lose hard, and though you win yours hard, you can't carry your team anymore.
Possibility 3: Match ELO - give other team a good person too.
Opponent: 1000, 100, 100, 100, 100
Result: Probably even, but then you have a 'good' player, getting matched with 'bad' players on their team, just to satisfy matchmaking. I don't think that'd go down very well with said players.
There may be a sweet spot between 1 and 2 (different bonus) which results in an even game, but given the diversity of heroes and builds, it would be different for every game. These are just simple examples of course, and Valve might surprise me with a solution, but I'm sceptical it's possible.
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rofl russian tree puppey TL need to interview him next lol
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On April 04 2013 10:05 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:21 BurningSera wrote:On April 04 2013 09:15 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On April 04 2013 08:39 Numy wrote:On April 04 2013 08:32 crms wrote:On April 04 2013 08:30 Numy wrote:
Think the bigger problem than fun tutorials is noob games without tons of leavers. this seems to have gotten really bad lately. I made a couple new smurfs recently and the amount of leavers and purposeful throwing (like running to enemy well) was like something I haven't seen in dota2. It's even happened on my main quite a few times lately and it has relatively high pub mmr. I had the same experience,w as smurfing with two friends who I just gave dota too and were lanning. One has never played dota before so we were in ultra noob games. Every game we played had at least 2 people raging, 1 guy quiting and someone feeding. Never had such a bad experience in pub dota. I was contemplating playing on my main just so we got better games but it would be way too high level for my friends. Smurfing is probably the cause of the bad newbie games. Learning a new game with a bunch of new people is fun. Everyone's bad, funny stuff happens and we all learn from it. Learning a new game while some guy with 10x more experience and 5 dota keys decides to smurf in ultra noob games is not fun. In that circumstance, don't be surprised if people think it's an unfair playing field and rage quit. I would. At least in a game like COD, everyone is put on equal footing. Die to a much superior player in COD, and you can come back and have the same chance against him next time. In Dota, die to a much superior player and it'll be even easier for him to kill you next time, because of items (let's not even talk about the double punishment of death - he/she gets money, you lose it). I get that you want to play with friends, but in my experience it just doesn't work. One player can have way too much influence over a game. If Valve wants to bring in the newbies, it'll have to find a way to keep their games as smurf free as possible. And if they had to keep the game 'smurf free' they have to come out with a working MM that allows us to play with newbies friends without headache. Many of us (or most of us) are forced to play on smurf with casual friends because MM doesnt work in the first place. Personally, I don't think it's possible when there's a large gap in skill level to MM effectively, simply from the mechanics of the game and the way heroes snowball as they get kills. + Show Spoiler +Let's try it. Here's your team (fictional ELO used):
You (1000), Friend (100), Friend (100), Friend (100), Friend (100)
Sum ELO: 1400
Ok, so how would you matchmake against this team?
Possibility 1: Match the sum ELO
Opponent: 300, 300, 300, 300, 200
Result: Two of your lanes probably lose, but you're so much better that you can carry the team by yourself.
Possibility 2: Match the sum ELO + bonus (to account for good player)
Opponent: 400, 400, 400, 400, 400
Result: Two of your lanes lose hard, and though you win yours hard, you can't carry your team anymore.
Possibility 3: Match ELO - give other team a good person too.
Opponent: 1000, 100, 100, 100, 100
Result: Probably even, but then you have a 'good' player, getting matched with 'bad' players on their team, just to satisfy matchmaking. I don't think that'd go down very well with said players.
There may be a sweet spot between 1 and 2 (different bonus) which results in an even game, but given the diversity of heroes and builds, it would be different for every game. These are just simple examples of course, and Valve might surprise me with a solution, but I'm sceptical it's possible.
Technically it is impossible yes, but the rather humane solution is simply give us a different mmr when we queue with X player/s. At least that way we dont need to suffer through some depressing games once we won the one/second game due to MM is 'checking' our 'true mmr'. Is actually the same thinking to make a MM system, perfect MM is impossible, the key point is how to make a good MM that is enjoyable.
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On April 04 2013 10:06 BurningSera wrote:
rofl russian tree puppey TL need to interview him next lol
haha I'm 2 tired for this shit, laughing way to much at russian stronk tree
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Puppey playing Game of the Year for general thread.
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well now we know the definitive tree build.
lothars
mkb
brown boots
sheep stick
midas
QB
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On April 04 2013 10:19 crms wrote:
well now we know the definitive tree build.
lothars
mkb
brown boots
sheep stick
midas
QB
How can you leave out the Veil? It was the main reason that build worked.
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You guys are being stupid. The only reason he went that build is because of its synergy with a roaming Venge/Jugg. Can't believe your poor understanding of the meta.
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Orange is leading LGD.int on betting odds. Should I be a hipster and dodge this bet?
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where are the bets happening? i want to do some betting
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Puppey with 102 stolen int on Silencer. Poor Huskar had 1+9 int at the end. :D
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On April 04 2013 10:22 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:19 crms wrote:
well now we know the definitive tree build.
lothars
mkb
brown boots
sheep stick
midas
QB
How can you leave out the Veil? It was the main reason that build worked.
oye meng, you're right.
Veil + BoT when you're ready to end game.
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On April 04 2013 11:03 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 10:22 SKC wrote:On April 04 2013 10:19 crms wrote:
well now we know the definitive tree build.
lothars
mkb
brown boots
sheep stick
midas
QB
How can you leave out the Veil? It was the main reason that build worked. oye meng, you're right. Veil + BoT when you're ready to end game.
BoT is useful at those times so you can instant buyback and TP back to their* base to continue fountain farming.
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well i bet some random rare i had. what happens if you win? some bot will add you and trade u?
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On April 04 2013 11:08 aintz wrote:well i bet some random rare i had. what happens if you win? some bot will add you and trade u?
you have to queue for it, but basically yeah.
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i just made my first bets. this site looks pretty sweet, can't believe i never bothered doing this before. makes the games a bit more interesting even if i dont really care about items.
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i assume you lose items then if you bet on the wrong team?
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On April 04 2013 11:40 FinestHour wrote:
i assume you lose items then if you bet on the wrong team?
Corretamundo
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EPT
