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BeanerBurrito
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With drum and/or a wand I don't really have any mana issues either. Wussy heroes get mek, bb should tell his little teammate to get the mek so he can be a beast and own faces harder | ||
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On April 01 2013 02:07 kollin wrote: Lone Star Clash was pretty big lol It was the GIGABYTE LAN | ||
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On April 01 2013 02:18 BeanerBurrito wrote: I'm more of a fan of phase boots, maybe drum, and bkb bristleback, lifesteal is pretty awesome on him too, satanic style. With drum and/or a wand I don't really have any mana issues either. Wussy heroes get mek, bb should tell his little teammate to get the mek so he can be a beast and own faces harder I really can't agree with this at all. You don't need the movespeed boost from phase, cause you're already faster than most heroes with your ult+you got a slow in Goo, you don't need the attack damage cause your ult gives +100 damage on level 1 if used correctly (i.e. it's much better to get the attack speed from Treads), BKB is pretty awful because you a) doesn't necessarily need to attack/move around to do damage and b) are SUPPOSED to take damage, and with a BKB those nukes will be aimed at your teammates instead. Lifesteal is pretty meh (as are orb effects for him in general, the only one I support before ultra late is Orb of Venom) too except for manfighting other carries 1v1, which is not what BB is supposed to do. Drums I think is fine (then again Drums is good on everything). @the arcane boots disagreement, while it is true that BB has a high int gain, you still need something to fix your mana, unless you feel like going back to base every 3 minutes. You should be using your skills to farm, harass, stack jungle etc. etc. so even with your (relatively) high mana pool after a few levels you're going to run out of mana pretty quick. And, again, Arcanes lets you get mek, which is <3 | ||
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On April 01 2013 02:50 Firebolt145 wrote: I'd only ever get Arcanes if I was going for a Mek. Otherwise Treads + Wand is enough mana. I agree, as long as you get something to help your mana you should be good. Arcanes is ofc the heavy investment. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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On April 01 2013 02:47 zz_ wrote: I really can't agree with this at all. You don't need the movespeed boost from phase, cause you're already faster than most heroes with your ult+you got a slow in Goo, you don't need the attack damage cause your ult gives +100 damage on level 1 if used correctly (i.e. it's much better to get the attack speed from Treads), BKB is pretty awful because you a) doesn't necessarily need to attack/move around to do damage and b) are SUPPOSED to take damage, and with a BKB those nukes will be aimed at your teammates instead. Lifesteal is pretty meh (as are orb effects for him in general, the only one I support before ultra late is Orb of Venom) too except for manfighting other carries 1v1, which is not what BB is supposed to do. Drums I think is fine (then again Drums is good on everything). @the arcane boots disagreement, while it is true that BB has a high int gain, you still need something to fix your mana, unless you feel like going back to base every 3 minutes. You should be using your skills to farm, harass, stack jungle etc. etc. so even with your (relatively) high mana pool after a few levels you're going to run out of mana pretty quick. And, again, Arcanes lets you get mek, which is <3 My reasoning is that you enhance the abilities you already have, i mean sure you could get treads which is good too but it isn't like doing even more damage, increasing your mobility, and getting defensive items is a bad thing. Quill spray does some damage and can stack up to a lot, but like you said you get +100 damage and -armor from goo, why wouldn't you supplement your attack damage because you will be doing an extremely large amount of damage regardless of quills, or in addition to quills. I don't see getting a bkb as nuking my teammates, I see it as not allowing the enemy to lock me down and focus me, bristleback is supposed to take damage while running away, but if you get stunned on your way in as a melee hero you'll die just as easily as any other hero, and you don't get quill sprays from the front. And even while you're bkbed you can still get damage reduction from the side and back and can still get quill sprays as well from bristleback. If you don't have any farm then maybe I'd consider a mek or arcanes, but if you are supposed to be one of the farm taking heroes on your team i feel like you'd waste all of your early and mid game potential by getting a mek and arcanes. and in the lategame mek and arcanes will be useless if you're attempting to carry or semi carry. Mek and arcane is really cheap so that's nice, but if you're getting all the farm and deciding to go mek and arcanes i feel like you're wasting a lot of potential, especially because other items can give you the survivability and mana and increase your fighting power, as opposed to just the survivability and mana you get with mek and arcanes. And even if you don't get mek or arcanes, you can still benefit from both if you allow your teammate to get them, so you get double the advantage. | ||
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Unleashing
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And keeping those two on cooldown is key for BB in fights. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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On April 01 2013 03:27 Unleashing wrote: Phase is a null factor on BB in teamfights though, you'll keep cancelling the active in teamfights due to having spells with 1.5 sec and 3 seconds respectively. And keeping those two on cooldown is key for BB in fights. Treads are good too, I've found in the early game with phase boots you can goo a few times and chase with phase and hit with your +100 damage for more than quills would do anyway. And you can always time the phase boots whose duration isn't that much longer than quill spray cooldown. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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On April 01 2013 03:33 Unleashing wrote: But using goo/quills and your ult stacks will far both outdamage and outspeed phase active, not to mention allow allies to catch up too by slowing enemies. Cast goo, cast quills, hit, cast goo, cast quills, use phase boots, hit hit, cast quill, cast goo, hit repeat. phase boots stacks with your ultimate too. it isn't like you stop using your skills so you can have phase boots, just use phase boots in between your skill casts to let you easily get off more and more highly damaging melee hits. and again, go treads if you want more health and more attack speed and more damage as well if you don't want to time the phase boots. | ||
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The Irate Turk
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On March 31 2013 19:17 The Irate Turk wrote: Does anyone want to discourage me from going armlet as my first major item on Bristle? And skipping vanguard altogether? My current build is like helm of iron will, soul ring, boots, armlet, treads, hood, heart, pipe, vary it up depending on the game. Helm gives armour and the toggle is so fucking broken, especially on BB. It seems to work at the low mmr I play at (but then so does vanguard) Gracias While this BB discussion is good, I would really like for someone to address my original question: armlet vs vanguard on BB which would you go for? | ||
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On April 01 2013 03:38 The Irate Turk wrote: While this BB discussion is good, I would really like for someone to address my original question: armlet vs vanguard on BB which would you go for? I would usually answer 'neither', but if I absolutely had to pick between the two, Armlet. Vanguard is just not worth it right now. | ||
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