EPTOn March 28 2013 22:15 mTwRINE wrote:
I also got disced 2nd game in a row without chance to reconnect.
I also got disced 2nd game in a row without chance to reconnect.
it seems to be a german-server-problem?!? hopefully they fix it
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akaRobin
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it seems to be a german-server-problem?!? hopefully they fix it | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:25 Talron wrote: Hm, okay. But for now it's also unclear on what will happen, if the western audience wants to watch let's say the PW+Gamefy league or let alone the G-1 LAN finals [whenever they will be]. I have a bad feeling that let's say our beloved BTS wouldn't be able to cover those tournaments, because they can't have access to it. I might be misunderstanding something there. But I'm definetly with you, as long as they can improve the chinese servers it's cool. As long as it's a temporary phase and not permanent, so China will be "cut off" of the rest of the Dota2 community even after full release. Very good point. Makes you wonder how that would be solved.I'd hate to see broadcast from a broadcast.. Also how are Chinese teams going to play against non-chinese teams, without access to the main servers that everyone else is using. i.e "region lock" I guess we'll see how it turns out, hopefully good for the Chinese and to rest of us who want to watch their scene/teams. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:31 Grettin wrote: Very good point. Makes you wonder how that would be solved.I'd hate to see broadcast from a broadcast.. Also how are Chinese teams going to play against non-chinese teams, without access to the main servers that everyone else is using. i.e "region lock" I guess we'll see how it turns out, hopefully good for the Chinese and to rest of us who want to watch their scene/teams. We know PW doesn't want chinese people playing Valve's Dota 2, but we don't really know if there will be limitations on foreigners playing PW Dota. If anyone can create an account and they don't implement the kind of barriers Korea ussually does, I guess SEA teams can still play against the chinese, it will just have to happen in the chinese servers. How big of a problem that is depends on how bad the connection into mainland China would be, and I have no idea how that really works. For viewers, I guess there are good chances you won't be able to view chinese games in Valve's Dota 2 client, which kinda sucks. What would be really bad is if PW also limits acess from outside of China, but I would think everyone would work hard against something like that, because it really wouldn't help the game. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:30 Talron wrote: On another note: The invitees of the G-1 western qualifier have been announced: http://gosugamers.net/dota2/news/23410-g-1-announces-details-and-invitees-for-eu-na-qualifier AH YEAH! gogogo QPad Red Pandas! | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:44 SKC wrote: We know PW doesn't want chinese people playing Valve's Dota 2, but we don't really know if there will be limitations on foreigners playing PW Dota. If anyone can create an account and they don't implement the kind of barriers Korea ussually does, I guess SEA teams can still play against the chinese, it will just have to happen in the chinese servers. How big of a problem that is depends on how bad the connection into mainland China would be, and I have no idea how that really works. For viewers, I guess there are good chances you won't be able to view chinese games in Valve's Dota 2 client, which kinda sucks. What would be really bad is if PW also limits acess from outside of China, but I would think everyone would work hard against something like that, because it really wouldn't help the game. It would all just end up being like it was in wc3 DotA, where you'd rarely if ever get your hands on a chinese replay, since they're so isolated. In my eyes steam would have been the bridge to connect the two communities, but seems like PW is on the best way to destroy that bridge so to say. Oh and on a unrelated note, as the post above me already mentioned: Zerogravity [Na´Vi CEO] thoughts on the Dota2 scene in comparison to CS:GO. Talking about LAN vs online etc. http://navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13368 | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:49 Talron wrote: It would all just end up being like it was in wc3 DotA, where you'd rarely if ever get your hands on a chinese replay, since they're so isolated. In my eyes steam would have been the bridge to connect the two communities, but seems like PW is on the best way to destroy that bridge so to say. Even if you can't watch it on the client, I doubt casters would be denied acess to it. We should still have at least english streams. It would be a very weird move from Valve to allow something like that. I really doubt we will go back to the isolation from WC3 Dota, that wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. | ||
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:53 SKC wrote: Even if you can't watch it on the client, I doubt casters would be denied acess to it. We should still have at least english streams. It would be a very weird move from Valve to allow something like that. I really doubt we will go back to the isolation from WC3 Dota, that wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. It sounds weird move from Valve, but what if they don't have a choice? China is pretty damn controlled. So who knows if the move WP is doing is mandatory, not just to benefit themselves completely. Just look at World of Warcraft for example. Even if Valve wouldn't want that to happen, i doubt they would do anything to prevent it if thats not possible. They still get money that way. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:48 duoform wrote: Reading Alexander's thoughts on ESPORTS (especially on DotA2 scene) makes me wonder how the hell didn't he get a LoL team for this season. He's just, apparently losing money because DotA's scene is just weak as hell. They had a chance to pick up the old M5, they didnt. There are no other really relevant CIS LoL players out there. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On March 28 2013 10:41 theqat wrote: had this happen to me the other day. I've fooled around with pudge/wisp and pudge/chen before, but never had pudge + town portal happen until now, in 5+ years of dota. I guess it's not quite the same as pudge/chen but it is really interesting! I've trying to imagine what would the crappiest move all around the map thing possible at fastest speed : let's say rubick with refresher & ulti ready, furion TP, let's mess around with chen, kotl, kunkka x, portal scroll, pudge's hook, dagger, multiple forcestaffs it would be possible to make him travel to all corners of the map in less than 5 sec. Yeah it's totally useless but it seems fun. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10950 Posts
On March 28 2013 23:46 nojok wrote: I've trying to imagine what would the crappiest move all around the map thing possible at fastest speed : let's say rubick with refresher & ulti ready, furion TP, let's mess around with chen, kotl, kunkka x, portal scroll, pudge's hook, dagger, multiple forcestaffs it would be possible to make him travel to all corners of the map in less than 5 sec. Yeah it's totally useless but it seems fun. Now it's useless... But when Techies enter you can Blow him up at 5 parts of the map!  | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
Related: what do you guys think about a betting tournament? teams/players bet rares and winner take it all(5v5/1v1)? We probably could do something like that for teamliquid pasture league yeah? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
To LAN or not to LAN? kuroky stated a lot of these points on sagans stream too. there are to many online cups and its not worth the time to participate. to many worthless matches. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:19 Derity wrote: Good points regarding online tournaments and the reason why na'vi doesn't participate in all of them. To LAN or not to LAN? kuroky stated a lot of these points on sagans stream too. there are to many online cups and its not worth the time to participate. to many worthless matches. I agree with this a lot - it makes matches overall less exciting, as it makes matches seem less important, teams prepare for them less (because of less time), and just the over saturation of games just makes the game seem less exciting. IMO, its the same problem SC2 has, but I have no idea if there is a solution behind this unless a unified body is created for dota. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
Either someone/Valve or whatever changes this or DotA2 will always live under LoL's shadow when it comes to have offline tournaments. Keep in mind that this may change because "the game is not released yet" but... I don't know man. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:38 duoform wrote: The thing is, Starcraft HAS the proper offline tournaments where teams do get exposure. Players do get exposure unlike DotA. If you don't count Korean/Asian offline tournaments Starcraft has MLG, NASL, DreamHack EIZO, IEM, Iron Squid, WCS, HomeStory, IPL(RIP), Asus ROG and whatnot and all offline events with a good amount of viewership. Now let's see what DotA has. Starladder, DreamHack, Thor Open and The International if you don't count the Asian offline tournaments. Either someone/Valve or whatever changes this or DotA2 will always live under LoL's shadow when it comes to have offline tournaments. Keep in mind that this may change because "the game is not released yet" but... I don't know man. To some extent, I agree with you, but I think both scenes (i haven't followed sc2 in a long time, so disregard my ignorance) would benefit from having larger online tournaments rather than a proliferation of smaller tournaments that teams are almost forced to play in. China and SCBW has consistent, large tournaments that have large (comparitive) prize pools (OSL, MSL, G1, GLeague), that allow for exciting, big games on a consistent basis and allows larger highlights of these players. I mean, there is a reason for these differences, but I just dont see the potential for this development in the West. There is a lot to say on this topic, but i'll keep it short. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
Most organizers won't run two 5 man team events in the same genre at the same event without some sort of developer prodding without some dev bribery. Plus for NA/EU events, the majority of viewers are more than likely CIS, which are pretty worthless to Western organizations/sponsors. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On March 29 2013 00:59 Klonere wrote: if ur a LAN organizer and you want to put on a dota-like game there is literally no reason to ever choose DoTA over LoL, all you want is numbers. Most organizers won't run two 5 man team events in the same genre at the same event without some sort of developer prodding without some dev bribery. Plus for NA/EU events, the majority of viewers are more than likely CIS, which are pretty worthless to Western organizations/sponsors. Business lan organizer you mean, there are also lans organizer who only aim to run a nice event and not lose money. | ||
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