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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 28 2013 04:43 GMT
#49461
Is Battlefury on Bounty Hunter still a pub mistake? Everyone says Drums into Desolator, but they cost nearly the same, offer the same damage and BH's ult: Track no longer reduces armor, so deso doesn't really synchronize that well anymore.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 28 2013 04:45 GMT
#49462
bfury is a farming item meant for solo farming the jungle and lane for a long time before contributing to fights with more items
the exact opposite of what you should be doing with bh
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
betamale
Profile Joined September 2010
633 Posts
March 28 2013 04:46 GMT
#49463
i think the point is that by the time you build battlefury theres so much work you could've done around the map ganking or fighting with other cheaper cost effective items like phase drums medallion bottle whatever that battlefury is not a good investment unless you're planning to farm for late game in which bh is not the best hero to do that with
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 28 2013 04:47 GMT
#49464
Isn't it easier to get than Deso because of how it builds? or...
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 05:06:40
March 28 2013 04:48 GMT
#49465
On March 28 2013 13:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 11:50 RuskiPanda wrote:
Medallion is really really good because quills are physical damage and it helps with most of your mana since he has best non-int hero int scaling for the sobi part.


Roger, thanks!

Situational or core?


Situational. Just boils down to you sacrificing your core (survivability, tanky goodness) for more offense. Make the call if you can get away with it.

I've never seen Mek on Rigwarl as you discussed earlier, I'm intrigued to the thought! Or perhaps that is just my anti-Vanguard bias leaking out. Yango is disappoint.

@Bounty Hunter- The reason BFury is ill advised is because it's counter intuitive to how an effective Bounty should be played. You should never sit in a lane and farm, or have that as a game plan w/ BH. In fact, if money is your goal, you will most likely gain more income ganking effectively, than you would in a lane and farming with a Bfury. (Not to mention the benefits to the team). I've yelled at my best friend until I was blue in the face, he rarely if ever goes Bfury on BH again.

Phase/Treads/Tranq-->PMS-->Bottle/Wand/Medal/Urn(situational)-->Drums-->BKB-->Offensive Item. Deso/MKB/Abyssal.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 04:52:03
March 28 2013 04:51 GMT
#49466
On March 28 2013 13:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is Battlefury on Bounty Hunter still a pub mistake? Everyone says Drums into Desolator, but they cost nearly the same, offer the same damage and BH's ult: Track no longer reduces armor, so deso doesn't really synchronize that well anymore.


drums gives cheap stats, desolator relatively cheap damage and both items benefit your team (MS/AS aura and active, -armor on towers/units)
ffxiv enjoyer
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
March 28 2013 04:51 GMT
#49467
even if the damage is around the same, the minus armor on desolator is really really good early game
if you are looking just at the damage you might as well get a relic because you can at least turn that into an abyssal late game
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
March 28 2013 05:20 GMT
#49468
Orb of venom might be pretty decent on BB.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
March 28 2013 06:00 GMT
#49469
On March 28 2013 13:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is Battlefury on Bounty Hunter still a pub mistake? Everyone says Drums into Desolator, but they cost nearly the same, offer the same damage and BH's ult: Track no longer reduces armor, so deso doesn't really synchronize that well anymore.


the -armor from deso makes you crit like a truck though, even without the track armor. They cost nearly the same but you get a lot more damage, mobility, utility from drums and deso than battefury. Bfury is good if you realise you have to carry your team after 10 mins, or if you shortlane farm for some reason, but you might as well pick antimage or someone since you're not gonna be contributing to fights for a while.
In Mushi we trust
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 28 2013 06:04 GMT
#49470
so tower attack speed is still fucked up right at least from what i can tell
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
March 28 2013 06:19 GMT
#49471
Eh, it is only a beta, we can't expect these things to work themselves out too quickly.
Never make a hydralisk.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
March 28 2013 06:24 GMT
#49472
On March 28 2013 15:19 justinpal wrote:
Eh, it is only a beta, we can't expect these things to work themselves out too quickly.


In all honesty, I think the "only beta" excuse is wearing quite thin. Even according to Valve, they do not view the game as being in beta. Yes, the game is not complete in the sense of all the heroes and the server infrastructure is not there, but the game should not be having these issues.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
March 28 2013 06:32 GMT
#49473
On March 28 2013 13:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is Battlefury on Bounty Hunter still a pub mistake? Everyone says Drums into Desolator, but they cost nearly the same, offer the same damage and BH's ult: Track no longer reduces armor, so deso doesn't really synchronize that well anymore.

I thought the build was Drums -> BKB -> Vlads/damage depending on teams.
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
March 28 2013 07:10 GMT
#49474
so what role does Bristleback do? ganker?
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 07:15:56
March 28 2013 07:15 GMT
#49475
Semi-Carry mostly. Though he carries the same way Spec does by getting really tanky but still dishing out a fair amount of damage.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 28 2013 07:49 GMT
#49476
how long will it take me to get good?
i used to play hon about 1 year ago i used to be ~1950 mmr but i stopped playing, then i went to australia and pretty much didnt play games for the last 8 months. the rare ~10 games of dota2 i ended up playing i just picked a hero i knew and ended up stomping obviously.
given the pretty big success of the hon scene transferring to dota2 (fnaticeu, empire nth partially) i was just wondering.

if anyone cares why im asking:
+ Show Spoiler +
i go back home next months after having virtually almost no internet for ~9 months, so im eager to play and since i have about 5 months till my studies start i was just wondering if its worth to invest my time in dota2 opposed to sc2, as i plan to try my hardest to become "succesful" in esports. i do that because i just love games and i feel i can push myself maybe to become "professional" in those 2 months i plan on investing in it.(ive been minorly succesful in both sc2 and hon while i was still in school (winning minor amounts of money).
i also plan on taking the 2 months to try, because i always dreamed about it and if i didnt try ( even tho 2 months isnt all that much and not really a commitment) i would always regret it i think.
it probably the last time in my life i get the chance to do that
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 28 2013 09:28 GMT
#49477
Huh, so VG lost/dropped sydm and ZSMJ is just going to play with their main roster now (I guess CTY play mid and ZSMJ carry?). Could be interesting, sydm definitely felt like one of their weaker links.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 28 2013 09:29 GMT
#49478
CTY is a very good mid player
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
March 28 2013 10:38 GMT
#49479
Cty won a big tournament for solo mia in china over Ferrari iirc
He's a monster mechanically
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
March 28 2013 10:52 GMT
#49480
On March 28 2013 16:49 teddyoojo wrote:
how long will it take me to get good?
i used to play hon about 1 year ago i used to be ~1950 mmr but i stopped playing, then i went to australia and pretty much didnt play games for the last 8 months. the rare ~10 games of dota2 i ended up playing i just picked a hero i knew and ended up stomping obviously.
given the pretty big success of the hon scene transferring to dota2 (fnaticeu, empire nth partially) i was just wondering.

if anyone cares why im asking:
+ Show Spoiler +
i go back home next months after having virtually almost no internet for ~9 months, so im eager to play and since i have about 5 months till my studies start i was just wondering if its worth to invest my time in dota2 opposed to sc2, as i plan to try my hardest to become "succesful" in esports. i do that because i just love games and i feel i can push myself maybe to become "professional" in those 2 months i plan on investing in it.(ive been minorly succesful in both sc2 and hon while i was still in school (winning minor amounts of money).
i also plan on taking the 2 months to try, because i always dreamed about it and if i didnt try ( even tho 2 months isnt all that much and not really a commitment) i would always regret it i think.
it probably the last time in my life i get the chance to do that


I think you need longer than that if you want to go professional, in either game, I'm afraid. I used to average roughly 1820 mmr or so on hon though, and it took me like 1200-1300 games of dota 2 to get to a point where I would consistently get page 1 games on dotatv, if that's any indication on how long it'll take you.

Even still though, I'm at like 1700-1800 games played now and I'm certainly not playing at a professional level, but it all depends I guess, if you can find a good team that would be willing to play with you, it'd ease the process I guess.

I do think if you were just in it for the money, sc2 would be a better choice though because of all the daily/weekly tournaments that are going on with like a 100 euro prizepool or something, while there really isn't an equivalent for that in dota as of right now.
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