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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On March 22 2013 01:53 Firebolt145 wrote: Next time an issue like this happens again, can we as a thread focus on the inherent issue (tactical pauses and their usage) and avoid personal attacks on people since that won't achieve anything and will only aggravate the argument? That would be dandy. If it were that easy, don't want to get my threads closed. The issue is also bigger here. The questions was raised because Merlini showed an example of what he thinks that is a tactical pause whereas the point can be made that it wasn't one. So you can't just lable it as "tactical pause" discussion. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 22 2013 01:53 Firebolt145 wrote: Next time an issue like this happens again, can we as a thread focus on the inherent issue (tactical pauses and their usage) and avoid personal attacks on people since that won't achieve anything and will only aggravate the argument? That would be dandy. Yah this. Although I'm not sure I really like any of the solutions (Except LAN but lets be srs here). If nothing else the WC3/Dota1 pause parity change seemed decent, but probably still not perfect. The problem with relying on admins is that leagues have poor track records with respect to in-game admins being decent and having the balls to make real calls. | ||
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DarkReign_
1250 Posts
Many scenario could happen,but the pause still help Na'vi in a big way. Anyone who deny this..seriously. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 22 2013 01:57 Firebolt145 wrote: Whatever the discussion is, it can avoid attacking specific players. That's where the flames and aggravation starts. Well, Puppey's tweet was... pretty irresponsible. I mean, you can't lay that at the door of the community. He said what he said and it was nothing if not dramatic. I'm not saying there wasn't stuff lost in translation, and I'm not weighing in on how tactical that particular pause may or may not have been, but that tweet was just asking for trouble. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
I think Puppey saw windrunner moving in towards the lion and told Xboct to move, even pinged him. Xboct was lagging in that time most likely, he didn't move after Puppey pinged him (and probably told him to on skype) and apparently his mouse wasn't moving for 2 seconds before the pause when you look at his point of view, so Puppey paused. On one hand, Na'Vi got an advantage from the pause, on the other hand they would be fucked over by the lag if they knew windrunner was going for him, but Xboct couldn't move because of his connection. In other words, if Puppey didn't pause the situation would turn out worse than usual (no connection issues) for Na'Vi, he did pause and the situation turned out better than under usual circumstances (no connection issues, no need to pause). A perfect example of a gray area if you ask me. Now on how Puppey and Merlini handled the situation. 1) I think Merlini didn't put enough research into this video and in this video heavily implied that Puppey used the pause to gain an unfair advantage, i.e. cheat. I think he underestimated how people are going to take the video. He shouldn't even touch these points, imo. Especially without proper research. 2) Puppey fucked up with his tweet. No matter how angry you are, you shouldn't call someone a faggot, it's completely unnecessary. I don't know why Puppey would give fuel to the haters and give them the opportunity to call him a homophobe, etc. That's just bad publicity. Last but not least, the community bloated everything way out of proportion. | ||
dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
If you are looking at a general online tournament, you can not expect the same rules as G-Leage has. There will be random pauses, because random shit can happen at random times, as well as at the beginning or in the middle if the fights. Even if you, for example fade screen to black during pauses, player's can't just ignore what they saw a second before the pause, they will use that information. Sure there can be a fair play if it happened right before the fight, but if it was right in the middle of it, then you will have to roll with it. All the talks about cheating/using tactical pauses are speculations, only players know what actually happened. Sure it's a problem, but i don't want to see any team getting hated on for pauses like this, when there is no substantial evidence. Higher profile tournament can have harsh rules regarding pauses, but i believe that even they won't save you from every possible scenario. Also Smile joins Virtus.pro as a standing. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
Smile to play as a Standin for VP as expected.. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Vankuga
Panama2005 Posts
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
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DarkReign_
1250 Posts
Just uncalled for. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2570 Posts
Fuckin' pyrionflax. First time I've ever laughed out loud to this kind of thing. User was warned for this post | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 22 2013 02:08 Kipsate wrote: Smile on VP, who is going to play what?Santa was 3th position/offlaner. AA is versatile enough though. Interesting - I would be surprised to see AA not play a 4/5. I'm not familiar with his past, what positions can he play? On March 22 2013 02:12 Kaal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Fuckin' pyrionflax. First time I've ever laughed out loud to this kind of thing. The sad thing is this, overall, is better than most rap these days o.o | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On March 22 2013 02:11 DarkReign_ wrote: Puppey just keep digging his own grave it seems by posting a Louis CK's Faggot video. Just uncalled for. Either you misunderstood/didn't watch the video, or you're just being an over-sensitive faggot. ... I can say that in this context, right? User was warned for this post | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On March 22 2013 02:02 cecek wrote: Now on how Puppey and Merlini handled the situation. 1) I think Merlini didn't put enough research into this video and in this video heavily implied that Puppey used the pause to gain an unfair advantage, i.e. cheat. I think he underestimated how people are going to take the video. He shouldn't even touch these points, imo. Especially without proper research.. Well lets be honest here if it wasn't Na'Vi or any other top team for that matter people would be talking tactical pauses and how to deal with them instead of this madness. And yes absolutely he should touch these points wtf? :O Without Puppeys insults this would have been forgotten and maybe people would actually talk about tactical pauses (and pausing in official matches in general) but Puppey decided to throw some fuel into the fire  | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 22 2013 02:12 Kaal wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFlzCgtBFWE Fuckin' pyrionflax. First time I've ever laughed out loud to this kind of thing. Read the mod note plz | ||
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Grettin
42415 Posts
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/7807-ars-art-joins-virtus-pro-as-temp-fifth | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
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