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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
March 21 2013 16:19 GMT
#48481
Man, Puppey blew this way out of proportion haha. I watched the video and it doesn't even seeming that accusatory. Merlini just implies that it's done all the time in the pro scene and that it needs to change; it just so happens that the example given to him and the one he used was a Na'Vi game. I think the way he fired back is what caused reddit to get out their pitchforks.

Honestly just doing what Kespa did/does (require someone to say "pp" and have the admin pause it) would be an instant solution.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 16:20:44
March 21 2013 16:19 GMT
#48482
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw. - Merlini

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

called him a faggot, not to slander.

wat

(lost in translation?)
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42415 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 16:21:25
March 21 2013 16:20 GMT
#48483
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw. - Merlini

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?


I like how Kennigit, Slasher and Trance is part of this already. Should have followed Kipsates advice, forgot to grab the popcorn.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
March 21 2013 16:21 GMT
#48484
On March 22 2013 01:18 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw.

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

If he only wanted to raise awareness he could have done that in different ways without accusing Navi of "cheating". Puppey didn't deal with the situation properly but Merlinis decision / editing of the video isn't either. As people have said, what if the pause just coincided with xboct lagging? What then?

Dude you're overreacting. I watched the video and he didn't even say Navi cheated
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 16:22:03
March 21 2013 16:21 GMT
#48485
On March 22 2013 01:19 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw. - Merlini

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

called him a faggot, not to slander.

wat

(lost in translation?)

Twitter works differently. That's a tweet from merlini to puppey.


On March 22 2013 01:21 Delphiki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:18 SilverStar wrote:
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw.

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

If he only wanted to raise awareness he could have done that in different ways without accusing Navi of "cheating". Puppey didn't deal with the situation properly but Merlinis decision / editing of the video isn't either. As people have said, what if the pause just coincided with xboct lagging? What then?

Dude you're overreacting. I watched the video and he didn't even say Navi cheated

But implied. Just look at the reactions here: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ap22z/merlinis_mailbag_episode_6_pseudorandom/
Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
March 21 2013 16:30 GMT
#48486
Welp, where did the Kennigit post go

On March 22 2013 01:21 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:19 Comeh wrote:
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw. - Merlini

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

called him a faggot, not to slander.

wat

(lost in translation?)

Twitter works differently. That's a tweet from merlini to puppey.


Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 01:21 Delphiki wrote:
On March 22 2013 01:18 SilverStar wrote:
On March 22 2013 01:16 Slardar wrote:
The Twitter conversation with Puppey and SirScoots is quite hilarious.

@CLEMENTINATOR it was meant to raise awareness to pause abuse, not slander my old teammate. Much respect for you guys still, #navipennantftw.

This means only one thing. Dendi kicked from Na'Vi replaced by Merlini. Thoughts?

If he only wanted to raise awareness he could have done that in different ways without accusing Navi of "cheating". Puppey didn't deal with the situation properly but Merlinis decision / editing of the video isn't either. As people have said, what if the pause just coincided with xboct lagging? What then?

Dude you're overreacting. I watched the video and he didn't even say Navi cheated

But implied. Just look at the reactions here: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ap22z/merlinis_mailbag_episode_6_pseudorandom/


Yep, as you can see in the most upboated comment.
Vankuga
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 21 2013 16:36 GMT
#48487
G-League Pause Rules

No pauses are allowed when the teams are fighting with each other. An offending team will be given a warning. If the warning is unheeded, the referee has the right to issue a loss for the current game to the offending team.
After the game starts, if a player disconnects, each team has three chances to ask for a pause in order to wait for reconnection. If the number of pauses exceeds the limit or a single pause lasts more than five minutes, the team must continue the match with the remaining players. To pause for other reasons, the captain must make a request in all-chat or raise his hand as signal. The referee will approve and execute the pause, which must not last longer than five minutes. Players pausing on their own will face punishments such as warnings.

LAN IS EVERYTHING
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 21 2013 16:38 GMT
#48488
The screen should freeze as a parity change in line with dota/wc3.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
March 21 2013 16:38 GMT
#48489
Bless LAN environment and G-League, saving us from euro doto \o/
Vankuga
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 21 2013 16:39 GMT
#48490
On March 22 2013 00:41 TheYango wrote:
So apparently Sticky Napalm is currently coded not to trigger on certain specific damage sources, rather than the DotA 1 rules of triggering based on damage threshold values.

Which means Blademail Bat is hilarious right now against certain spells (Ion Shell, Rot, Shackles, etc.).

Alright, I'm getting bored with the pause talk.

I'm trying this build out when I get home...the question is how do I build it...
hmmmm.
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duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
March 21 2013 16:41 GMT
#48491
On March 22 2013 01:38 Vankuga wrote:
Bless LAN environment and G-League, saving us from euro doto \o/

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
March 21 2013 16:41 GMT
#48492
Whether this was a tactical pause or not we've seen a ton of them the past few weeks and it's getting pretty old. Some teams pause like 3/4 times in a single game.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 16:44 GMT
#48493
On March 22 2013 01:39 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 00:41 TheYango wrote:
So apparently Sticky Napalm is currently coded not to trigger on certain specific damage sources, rather than the DotA 1 rules of triggering based on damage threshold values.

Which means Blademail Bat is hilarious right now against certain spells (Ion Shell, Rot, Shackles, etc.).

Alright, I'm getting bored with the pause talk.

I'm trying this build out when I get home...the question is how do I build it...
hmmmm.


Its only abusive against rapid-dot heroes. So like veno/ds/pudge etc. Its not even that good against Shadow Shaman's shackles because you have to get it off before he shackles you. And bat isn't even good against DS because napalm isn't so hot vs surge. Plus you need a blademail and if you go blademail before blink on bat your team ought to report you.

But I'm sure watching this rape a pudge in like 1/2 a second would be painfully amusing.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 16:47:50
March 21 2013 16:46 GMT
#48494
The more control-able abuse case is Rubick stealing those spells successively, but that's less likely to happen in a game.

Also, Napalm is fine vs. Surge. Reduced turn speed still significantly affects the maneuverability of max MS heroes. It's part of why people liked Bat against Lycan in DotA 1, because even though Lycan could run around at max MS, his mobility was still hampered by the slow turn rate.
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betamale
Profile Joined September 2010
633 Posts
March 21 2013 16:46 GMT
#48495
make everyone use webcams and cameras on their heads to record their screens that is monitored by admins and this confusion would never happen
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
March 21 2013 16:49 GMT
#48496
This puppey business feels a bit like the streisand effect. Puppey needs to work on his way of expressing himself.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 21 2013 16:52 GMT
#48497
The case was pretty fucking obvious.

That was a tactical pause by Puppey, and instead of just admitting it, he's going through all this bullshit, defending himself, when anyone with half a brain can see that it was abuse.

Just watch the replay from Puppey's perspective, he was fucking centered on XBOCT, pinged him, and then paused.
secret - never again
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
March 21 2013 16:52 GMT
#48498
Welp, someone said faggot. Time time to e-mail the sponsors, LGBT rights groups, reverend Jesse Jackson, the KGB and Obama.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 16:54:12
March 21 2013 16:52 GMT
#48499
On March 22 2013 01:46 TheYango wrote:
The more control-able abuse case is Rubick stealing those spells successively, but that's less likely to happen in a game.

Also, Napalm is fine vs. Surge. Reduced turn speed still significantly affects the maneuverability of max MS heroes. It's part of why people liked Bat against Lycan in DotA 1, because even though Lycan could run around at max MS, his mobility was still hampered by the slow turn rate.


Well yeah but napalm is batriders way of forcing you to stay in his firefly but that doesn't work vs DS is all (even if you aren't going on DS he can surge his teammate for escape purposes).

I guess the combo of firefly and napalm is probably pretty good vs DS wall illusions though, without having to focus effort on negating it specifically.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 21 2013 16:53 GMT
#48500
On March 22 2013 01:52 ch33psh33p wrote:
The case was pretty fucking obvious.

That was a tactical pause by Puppey, and instead of just admitting it, he's going through all this bullshit, defending himself, when anyone with half a brain can see that it was abuse.

Just watch the replay from Puppey's perspective, he was fucking centered on XBOCT, pinged him, and then paused.

And what do you say to this:

I just watched xboct's POV, and it does appear that he had technical difficulties, basically lag. Before the engagement, he was standing there and just clicking on the ground for 3-4 seconds with the camera positioned directly on himself. Usually, people do it when they're experiencing lag/delay. And his strange camera positioning only contributes to it.

I don't think it is as clear as you think it is.
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