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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Grettin
42415 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:10 maru~ wrote: What if someone discs in the middle of a fight? I don't know whether your comment is about the "HoN system" or admins pausing it, but if you are talking about my post about admins pausing the game for players, there shouldn't be a problem. If the admin is awake and capable of doing his job, he will pause the game in seconds after it is requested. If you aren't familiar how things worked in Broodwar for example, player requested pause from the admins by typing "PP" etc, and admin pauses the game. | ||
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote: Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... You made an utterly baseless accusation as a childish way to turn around an accusation that actually had evidence. "Yeah well I bet he'd do the same!!!" Really? Based on what? Don't talk shit like that. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
I'd rather tournament mode faded in an overlay for players after 3 seconds of pause or something (with all chat available obviously), and then once the game is unpaused it's removed and there's a 3 second countdown. That way players can still pause very quickly in the event of the game becoming unplayable at a critical juncture, but you don't get to spend it staring at the action that's about to break out and working out how best to react. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:16 cecek wrote: Jesus christ, I'm so fucking disappointed in the TL Dota 2 community right now. Just look at this shit... The debate turned into a fanboy flamewar almost instantly. What the fuck guys, get get your shit together. Its the reddit effect. Its kind of hopeless. Admins pausing is inefficient and clunky and would just lead to as many awkward moments. I'd rather tournament mode faded in an overlay for players after 3 seconds of pause or something (with all chat available obviously), and then once the game is unpaused it's removed and there's a 3 second countdown. This seems like a good idea. Doesn't help 100%, but seems decent. | ||
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:13 GentleDrill wrote: It's not even like Merlini picked that fucking replay. He got linked it by the person who wrote in. You made an utterly baseless accusation as a childish way to turn around an accusation that actually had evidence. "Yeah well I bet he'd do the same!!!" Really? Based on what? Don't talk shit like that. Tell me how times have teams abused this pause feature? This isn't about Merlini but the scene is general. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:05 Kraznaya wrote: i wasn't aware that you protected your reputation by calling people "lying faggot"s also are you aware of the evidence that it was in fact a tactical pause, such as puppey's player perspective at the time it happened? As it is his 2nd language plus the culture differences, i doubt if he really means what he said. These kinda culture are commonly seen if you are not from an eanglish speaking country. In asia people still flipping each other off in pictures without knowing that the sign actually means 'Fuck you' in english. Even if he means that, whats the harm for being angry after you are being accused of something you didnt do? The evidence are unclear as far as i can tell. Again, the fundamental problem is about the tournament organizers and lose ruling which ultimately lead to problem like this. Its like hating on teams because they pick KoTL PL, nonsense. edit: further into this, you can ultimately compare this situation like somebody in the sc2 scene spot out a map hacker. In that case that person does not simply go on youtube and say it. You construct proper evidence with legit pro players opinions chip in via multiple replays analysis. What merlini did could be right(im not ruling that chance out), but clearly the method of him doing it was immature, unprofessional and targeted Puppey as well as Navi. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:17 duoform wrote: Tell me how times have teams abused this pause feature? This isn't about Merlini but the scene is general. If the exploit exists - even the threat of it is bad enough. The point is - there shouldn't be any easily accessible exploits in the game. Period. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Dabeliuteef/HONTRASHPLAYER is apparently going to try play both games competitively, so while he's still on Orange's HON squad I guess he'll also be MUFC's fulltime standin... | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Well well, hopefully something good will come out of this with admin pauses only etc. And Zerogravity may give Puppey some media training 101 while he's at it. ))) | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:16 Asha` wrote: Admins pausing is inefficient and clunky and would just lead to as many awkward moments imo. I'd rather tournament mode faded in an overlay for players after 3 seconds of pause or something (with all chat available obviously), and then once the game is unpaused it's removed and there's a 3 second countdown. That way players can still pause very quickly in the event of the game becoming unplayable at a critical juncture, but you don't get to spend it staring at the action that's about to break out and working out how best to react. just do it the starcraft way. screen freezes in pause and you can't click anything. no need to turn the screen black. pausing after 3 seconds is a bad solution, since discing in a fight requires an immediate pause. 3 seconds is much too long. pp and admin pause, with implemented option to disable player pauses for tournament games seems like a much better solution. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:27 fleeze wrote: just do it the starcraft way. screen freezes in pause and you can't click anything. no need to turn the screen black. pausing after 3 seconds is a bad solution, since discing in a fight requires an immediate pause. 3 seconds is much too long. pp and admin pause, with implemented option to disable player pauses for tournament games seems like a much better solution. Not to mention it is possible the player dcs in game only after he has dced. Which could mean there's could be upward to 6-7 seconds between dc and pause. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:34 Qbek wrote: Obviously the pause would be instant if some one is dced Valve could also make the game instant-pause if one of the players DC'ed in a tournament mode game. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
While for the pause cheating, well, we can never tell the truth behind it. Puppey will just deny it and the 'evidence' where he pinged or whatever during the pause would just be 'coincidence' or natural response as a player. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:34 Qbek wrote: Obviously the pause would be instant if some one is dced Yeah but often the game takes ~5 (or more) seconds to realize somebody is DC'ed while they can't move, so that isn't necessarily a perfect solution. | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:13 Grettin wrote: I don't know whether your comment is about the "HoN system" or admins pausing it, but if you are talking about my post about admins pausing the game for players, there shouldn't be a problem. If the admin is awake and capable of doing his job, he will pause the game in seconds after it is requested. If you aren't familiar how things worked in Broodwar for example, player requested pause from the admins by typing "PP" etc, and admin pauses the game. I was refering to both systems, because both delay the pause by a few seconds, and a few seconds can be crucial in a teamfight. Also, I doubt you would always have capable admins. I like the ideas about screenfreezing etc. | ||
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Grettin
42415 Posts
On March 22 2013 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Yeah but often the game takes ~5 (or more) seconds to realize somebody is DC'ed while they can't move, so that isn't necessarily a perfect solution. If it takes that long for 4 of your teammates to realize that one of yours is DC'd, i think theres a bigger problem than pausing the game. | ||
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