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On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right...
Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene...
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On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene...
LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. Show me a match where Merlini cheating like Na'Vi did.
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On March 21 2013 23:52 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:49 Imbajoe wrote:
can someone explain what happened with navi? Merlini in a recent youtube video brought up the issue of using pauses to exploit - such as by planning out a perfect teamfight right at the time of initiation. He used a Na'Vi video as an example, which was a pretty damning example. Edit: Guys - attacking merlini seems pretty dumb to be honest - he's bringing up a legitimate point, be it Na'Vi or not. I feel like something should be done against cases like this.
Whether or not he has a legitimate point I can't agree with the way he went about putting his point across. All this does is create unneeded drama that detracts from finding a solution.
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On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene...
I don't even see what this has to do with Merlini. He's just the messenger more or less. The issue is "tactical pauses" and abusing them.
In this case, its pretty clear they happened to abuse their pause (whether it was for legitimate reasons or not...)
Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:59 Numy wrote:On March 21 2013 23:52 Comeh wrote:On March 21 2013 23:49 Imbajoe wrote:
can someone explain what happened with navi? Merlini in a recent youtube video brought up the issue of using pauses to exploit - such as by planning out a perfect teamfight right at the time of initiation. He used a Na'Vi video as an example, which was a pretty damning example. Edit: Guys - attacking merlini seems pretty dumb to be honest - he's bringing up a legitimate point, be it Na'Vi or not. I feel like something should be done against cases like this. Whether or not he has a legitimate point I can't agree with the way he went about putting his point across. All this does is create unneeded drama that detracts from finding a solution.
Unneeded drama? He found a replay of the exact thing that was going on (which seemed kind of fishy), said "yeah, this one seems kind of fishy", and said something along the lines of "something needs to be done about this".
I guess I just don't get your guy's perspective. If anything, this is more damning for Puppey than anyone.
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On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy.
You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses).
Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate.
Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it.
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On March 21 2013 23:59 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:52 Comeh wrote:On March 21 2013 23:49 Imbajoe wrote:
can someone explain what happened with navi? Merlini in a recent youtube video brought up the issue of using pauses to exploit - such as by planning out a perfect teamfight right at the time of initiation. He used a Na'Vi video as an example, which was a pretty damning example. Edit: Guys - attacking merlini seems pretty dumb to be honest - he's bringing up a legitimate point, be it Na'Vi or not. I feel like something should be done against cases like this. Whether or not he has a legitimate point I can't agree with the way he went about putting his point across. All this does is create unneeded drama that detracts from finding a solution.
how? he brought up a perfect example (the pause indubitably helped the pauser's team) of the problem in a situation where there are serious stakes (hence showing why the problem needs to be addressed)
now there's going to be a lot of outcry about the current pause system and the way it's being used in online tourneys
seems fine to me
edit: he also didn't say navi was the only team which did this or say anything to suggest that, rather he gave the impression that the problem was widespread and this was one prominent example
that puppey lost his shit over it is his problem, not merlini's
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Well, it seems conclusive that Puppey did tactical pause. It's confusing, it was the first game in a bo3 against rdm, the team was never really good, in a not very important game (it was D2L groupstage I think). I don't think they really needed to do it, seems like he did it just because he could, which is pretty disappointing. His tweet was also really insulting, but nothing we haven't seen from Puppey already.
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On March 22 2013 00:00 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:59 Numy wrote:On March 21 2013 23:52 Comeh wrote:On March 21 2013 23:49 Imbajoe wrote:
can someone explain what happened with navi? Merlini in a recent youtube video brought up the issue of using pauses to exploit - such as by planning out a perfect teamfight right at the time of initiation. He used a Na'Vi video as an example, which was a pretty damning example. Edit: Guys - attacking merlini seems pretty dumb to be honest - he's bringing up a legitimate point, be it Na'Vi or not. I feel like something should be done against cases like this. Whether or not he has a legitimate point I can't agree with the way he went about putting his point across. All this does is create unneeded drama that detracts from finding a solution. how? he brought up a perfect example (the pause indubitably helped the pauser's team) of the problem in a situation where there are serious stakes (hence showing why the problem needs to be addressed) now there's going to be a lot of outcry about the current pause system and the way it's being used in online tourneys seems fine to me
There's a public outcry against Navi with a small consideration about the pause system as an afterthought. Guess it's a fine way to get publicity but I can't approve of it as a way to actually fix a problem.
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On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it.
what? he suggests a countdown timer for pauses so you cant have instantaneous tactical pauses to react to a problematic engagement
also u sound kind of angry
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The amount of fan merlini has is nothing compare to puppey. Its just that merlini fan is more vocal because most of them belongs to the english speaking community(NA specifically). So when issue like this come up, you can often see comments in this thread as well as reddit are 1 sided and sometime even to the unreasonable point. Obviously the issue itself cannot be resolve and accusing without proper proofs is straight up lying. The fault is in the hand of the tournament organizer and Puppey is just protecting his reputation by calling out an inaccurate accusation.
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On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it.
I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait.
If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system.
Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless.
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Mm, delicious dota drama.
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On March 22 2013 00:03 NB wrote:
The amount of fan merlini has is nothing compare to puppey. Its just that merlini fan is more vocal because most of them belongs to the english speaking community(NA specifically). So when issue like this come up, you can often see comments in this thread as well as reddit are 1 sided and sometime even to the unreasonable point. Obviously the issue itself cannot be resolve and accusing without proper proofs is straight up lying. The fault is in the hand of the tournament organizer and Puppey is just protecting his reputation by calling out an inaccurate accusation.
i wasn't aware that you protected your reputation by calling people "lying faggot"s
also are you aware of the evidence that it was in fact a tactical pause, such as puppey's player perspective at the time it happened?
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On March 22 2013 00:04 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it. I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait. If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system. Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless.
What is the "HoN system"?
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On March 22 2013 00:05 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 00:04 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it. I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait. If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system. Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless. What is the "HoN system"?
After you press the pause button there is a 3 second countdown before the game gets paused, so things like this CAN be avoided.
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On March 22 2013 00:06 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 00:05 Grettin wrote:On March 22 2013 00:04 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it. I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait. If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system. Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless. What is the "HoN system"? After you press the pause button there is a 3 second countdown before the game gets paused, so things like this CAN be avoided.
Thank you. But why do we have admins in game, if we can't use them for pausing? As i said previous page, ADMINS should be the one's pausing the game, just like it has been done and is done in Kespa tournaments (Starcraft). That would already solve the "problem" without implementing anything.
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On March 22 2013 00:04 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it. I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait. If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system. Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless.
"Implementing HoN system" isn't simply a solution. There's plenty of options to be considered. All he did was pointing out an obvious thing that the community knows perfectly about it to create unnecessary drama. In top of that, Tobi goes all-in and re-tweets Puppey's stupid tweet.
That's how our scene goes...
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What if someone discs in the middle of a fight?
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On March 22 2013 00:09 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 00:04 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 22 2013 00:00 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:55 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:53 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:51 BlitzerSC wrote:On March 21 2013 23:50 duoform wrote:On March 21 2013 23:48 Kraznaya wrote:On March 21 2013 23:45 Erasme wrote:
if merlini practiced instead of doing this, maybe he would be able to be competitive in nadota wow really, a personal attack that has nothing to do with the evidence merlini brought up? Maybe if he was playing competitively he would do the same... do the same = cheating ? Yeah right... Oh I'm sorry. I almost forgot Merlini is a perfect god among the scene... LOL Get real, Na'Vi fanboy. You were the first one accusing someone of "cheating", I didn't. You don't have any proof that Puppey actually has suffering from ping/server/whatever issue and yet you call me fanboy by not taking Merlini's obvious side (which I never doubt about but every single fucking team does tactical pauses). Either you are completely blind or you have a problem mate. Besides, if you watch the fucking video, Merlini does nothing but point out obvious "tactical pauses" and doesn't even give a proper solution to it. I won't even answer to your obvious flamebait. If you watch the video, Merlini explained how the issue "could" be solved. By implementing HoN system. Whatever... I forgot that arguing on the internet is pointless. "Implementing HoN system" isn't simply a solution. There's plenty of options to be considered. All he did was pointing out an obvious thing that the community knows perfectly about it to create unnecessary drama. In top of that, Tobi goes all-in and re-tweets Puppey's stupid tweet. That's how our scene goes...
I have a feeling that Tobi retweets everything. Controversial? 100% more chance he'll retweet it. Tobi shouldn't even be mentioned when it comes to twitter anymore.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Fire up the popcorn machine.
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