General Discussion - Page 2363

On March 13 2013 00:52 Teton wrote:


people dont buy dusts / sents in pubs.

but yeah, she's squishy as fuck

On March 13 2013 02:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
It's the behaviour that plagues every game out there. Stop focusing on imbalances (whether real or not) and focus on your own individual play. Personal skill will always triumph overall until you start playing at the very top, which is actually very few people.

Edit: same thing applies to complaints about matchmaking tbh.

On March 13 2013 02:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
It's the behaviour that plagues every game out there. Stop focusing on imbalances (whether real or not) and focus on your own individual play. Personal skill will always triumph overall until you start playing at the very top, which is actually very few people.

Edit: same thing applies to complaints about matchmaking tbh.

On March 13 2013 02:24 PrinceXizor wrote:

unless the complaint is about phantom games *shakes fist*

On March 13 2013 02:30 PrinceXizor wrote:
That feeling when your game interrupts your Shopkeepers quiz 100% speedrun.
T_T

On March 13 2013 02:30 PrinceXizor wrote:
That feeling when your game interrupts your Shopkeepers quiz 100% speedrun.
T_T

On March 13 2013 02:31 Comeh wrote:

Well, the problem with PL is that he's difficult to deal with in competitive games (finding the room / organization to gank him with 3 heroes and not be completely obvious about it, and to find the ability to push and end the game in 30 minutes in the current meta [most pl teams in competitive games have a kotl]), and its that much more difficult to do in a random pub game.

On March 13 2013 02:53 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
What is with the recent rash of supports buying literally nothing but regen items and wards and pooling their annoying lanemate with endless clarities.

I wouldn't call it that effective, except when lina gets 5 light strike array's at level 1 from chuggin pots....

On March 13 2013 02:41 TheYango wrote:

I'd say PL is a lot weaker in pubs, for a couple reasons:

1) PL needs a fair bit of help through early levels in lane. He's strong as part of certain lane combos (e.g. KotL+PL) or if you can freefarm him till Tranquil Boots, but if we're taking random pub lanes where you're playing stuff like 2v2 sidelane with some random support, he's actually fairly troublesome to win lane with. A lot of other carries have a way easier time managing the lane even when they have a shitty pub support 2v2 (e.g Drow, Luna, Silencer).

2) Pub games in general aren't suited for hard carries. The amount of mistakes made and general tendency toward blind meaningless teamfights means that semicarries with strong ganking/teamfighting ability that can snowball off of successful ganking/teamfighting are going to be more successful than a hero that needs to, on some level, farm it out (and hope your team doesn't throw). Even though Drums/Diffusal/Manta based builds are adequate midgame (compared to Radiance which makes you dead weight while you're farming), it's still not strong in the sense that you can dictate the midgame tempo. Based on this, and the above, PL has a far greater reliance on his teammates than other more self-sufficient carries/semicarries--which is a quality that isn't a big deal in competitive play (since you can and should depend on your teammates) than in pub play (since there's no guarantee of your teammates being dependable).

On March 13 2013 03:03 TheYango wrote:
It doesn't matter that the other team doesn't know when to end if they're still farming with higher efficiency than you. In general hard carry lategames don't outclass weaker scaling heroes so much that a significant item advantage isn't enough to secure the game for those heroes. It matters when items are closer, but if a less insane lategame carry gets and retains a major item advantage, they'll still be stronger.

Obviously PL will catch up if the opponent farms inefficiently, but a stalled out game doesn't necessarily help the carry on the back foot unless they actually have room to close the farm gap.

On March 13 2013 01:28 Numy wrote:


How is magic immunity not survivability? You said any disable through bkb wrecks her which is true for basically ever single hero in the game. I gave reasoning why it's a favourable situation for her and all you say is one liner yet I'm condescending? Maybe it's my being ill so I'm misreading but it seems to be the inverse. I also don't see how you compare a 625 ranged agi hero with an aura to a 400 ranged str that needs to be damaged to deal his real damage.

Anyway I agree she's not OP but she is strong.

On March 13 2013 02:31 Comeh wrote:

Well, the problem with PL is that he's difficult to deal with in competitive games (finding the room / organization to gank him with 3 heroes and not be completely obvious about it, and to find the ability to push and end the game in 30 minutes in the current meta [most pl teams in competitive games have a kotl]), and its that much more difficult to do in a random pub game.