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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:46 Kupon3ss wrote: Back when SF was run regularily, the top chinese teams (Nv.cn especially) would often hide an ES or similar support behind the tower for SF. While he does have extremely poor survivability, in a good countergank SF can just doubleraze for fairly easy kills if the gankers whenselves are caught off-guard. 3 second TPs will indeed be too long in the age of smoke. SF is also much more viable on the radiant side due to being able to go to the easy camp for souls Well yeah, you can countergank if a support is just camping you, like I said. But since when is a pub support going to camp the already 0/2/0 SF who's behind? He's going to think it's a waste of time because since you're behind already in the first place, you obviously can't be trusted to carry. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:48 SilverStar wrote: Is the ingame store not working for anyone else? Whenever I go on checkout it gets stuck loading. It worked for me a few days ago. I don't know what has happened since then | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:51 WindWolf wrote: It worked for me a few days ago. I don't know what has happened since then It was working yesterday ^^ just not right now | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
 even keys on the float market is much cheaper compare to store. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
Leaves me wondering though, who's the best hero to go in the middle lane as of this moment in competitive games? TA's refraction nerf caused her to fall out of favor. Is it Batrider? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:41 Kuroeeah wrote: I think SF can still work in competitive games, contrary to him being a situational pick as of right now. I know that some teams will probably even prefer to put him on the side lane to ensure his safety (I can't recall the specific game) since he's susceptible to smoke ganks in mid (zero survivability, etc) Leaves me wondering though, who's the best hero to go in the middle lane as of this moment in competitive games? TA's refraction nerf caused her to fall out of favor. Is it Batrider? Best hero overall, or the character that'll be the safest in mid, or the character that has the most impact from mid, ect. you get to pick and choose between those 3 things. something like beastmaster or panda would be better overall than batrider, but batrider controls mid so well that you want bat over beast or panda. I actually rather like puck/pugna/OD as far as mids go right now. Puck has infinite survivability. Pugna has fairly decent anti smoke gank tactics, and he prevents the other laner from roaming without trading a tower, and his team fight with ward is crazy especially with like decrep to make naix lineups sad. and OD just dominates the lane. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:48 PrinceXizor wrote: Best hero overall, or the character that'll be the safest in mid, or the character that has the most impact from mid, ect. you get to pick and choose between those 3 things. something like beastmaster or panda would be better overall than batrider, but batrider controls mid so well that you want bat over beast or panda. I actually rather like puck/pugna/OD as far as mids go right now. Puck has infinite survivability. Pugna has fairly decent anti smoke gank tactics, and he prevents the other laner from roaming without trading a tower, and his team fight with ward is crazy especially with like decrep to make naix lineups sad. and OD just dominates the lane. In terms of straight up lane dominance, I think OD has always been one of the undisputed best mid solos in the game. When you cycle Astral Imprisonment correctly, you will be ahead in last hits/denies by miles. Yet sadly I believe Nyx counters him in every way. OD also has no escapisms (astral imprisonment next to your tower is your best bet) and is relatively squishy, making him as susceptible to dying in a single stun smoke gank that SF runs into. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:59 Kuroeeah wrote: In terms of straight up lane dominance, I think OD has always been one of the undisputed best mid solos in the game. When you cycle Astral Imprisonment correctly, you will be ahead in last hits/denies by miles. Yet sadly I believe Nyx counters him in every way. OD also has no escapisms (astral imprisonment next to your tower is your best bet) and is relatively squishy, making him as susceptible to dying in a single stun smoke gank that SF runs into. Astral might not be the strongest escape skill but it sure is better than what SF has. Astralling yourself should give you time for tp's to arrive if they are on-point. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
Once he gets BKB or some early game items like Treads, Drums, Aquila, Wand these things are much less of a problem as he can actually get a few razes and auto attacks off. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
The depression kicks in when the enemy goes for a BKB against OD. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 12 2013 02:23 Kuroeeah wrote: OD is a fun carry. Essence Aura can make him into a portable mana fountain and he can dominate lanes more than the majority without requiring baby sitting. The depression kicks in when the enemy goes for a BKB against OD. then you just kill everyone else xD or Astral yourself to stall for time LOL. honestly if OD ever got the bane treatment (can un astral himself, like bane can unnightmare himself). then i think he'd be really hard to gank since you can use astral like phase shift for mana if need be. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On March 12 2013 02:21 ViZe wrote: The problem with SF is not that he has no escape skills, but that there is literally no reason why you should not dive him early game. His razes and ult just make him stand still so he is even easier to CC. Diving him is not like diving Luna who if you don't kill right away will pretty much just destroy you with with Eclipse while kiting you. This is the reason we have seen most teams putting him on the safe lane as opposed to the mid-lane. Once he gets BKB or some early game items like Treads, Drums, Aquila, Wand these things are much less of a problem as he can actually get a few razes and auto attacks off. What do you mean? If you dive a capable SF underneath a tower, if you don't immediately kill him even considering the animation can easily turn around and kill you with razes or right clicks. Don't ever underestimate SF in terms of damage when he has a successful laning phase. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On March 12 2013 02:30 PrinceXizor wrote: then you just kill everyone else xD or Astral yourself to stall for time LOL. honestly if OD ever got the bane treatment (can un astral himself, like bane can unnightmare himself). then i think he'd be really hard to gank since you can use astral like phase shift for mana if need be. Okay? Unlike other carries that can do good dps through BKB, silencing him or having magic immunity completely nullifies the damage an OD can do in every way. Astralling yourself as a means to survive through a BKB'd hero (which your forced to do at times) means you're spending 4 seconds in a team fight not contributing to damage in anyway aside from your ult. 4 seconds is a LONG time in team fights. No other carry has this problem because OD is the only intelligence hard carry in the game. Void, AM, Spectre, PA and PL have either passive defenses such as dodge, backtrack, spell mitigation and PL illusions do his dirty work (yes I know od kills pl's illusions instantly). Don't get me wrong, OD is still a kick ass carry and can fight around BKB provided he has a survivability items, not being focused or isn't in danger and he can force someone out for 4 seconds but I'm pointing out that BKB is an issue that is unique to OD's as a hero since he's a carry. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
edit: btw from reddit ^^. Really funny | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
also i recently found out, that while u rape clock in lane, once he hits 6 you're dead. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On March 12 2013 02:52 Erasme wrote: if only he had astraled himself .. also i recently found out, that while u rape clock in lane, once he hits 6 you're dead. Yes, he reminds me of some agility hero... cough Nyx cough cough. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
North American qualifiers Four North American teams have qualified from the A-Series for the next stage in addition to the European teams. These teams are as follows:  Fnatic.NA Eosin+4 Team Liquid Infinity Gaming BlackThe NA scene is in a really bad state. Source: http://www.joindota.com/en/news/7515-ems-final-cup-and-na-teams | ||
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