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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 13:53:38
March 05 2013 13:53 GMT
#45821
you misunderstand what SKC is saying silver. he's commenting on grettins post not stating an opinion on russians.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 13:58:42
March 05 2013 13:55 GMT
#45822
On March 05 2013 22:46 SilverStar wrote:
So I am looking to buy a new keyboard. I mostly play Dota 2 and Starcraft? Any recommendations?


I bought QPAD MK-50 last year. been happy about it and it was relatively cheap compared to other brands. It also got decent reviews all around the internet.

http://www.qpad.com/products/keyboards/
http://www.qpad.com/products/keyboards/MK50/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 14:10:13
March 05 2013 14:05 GMT
#45823
On March 05 2013 22:36 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 22:33 Yoshi- wrote:
I am still pretty sure that this is not the QQ Thread.


I'm pretty sure you didn't even read what i posted. Go ahead though, i have some faith left in you that you can do it.

I fucking hate people making posts like these. It's like "I saw a black person actually work today. It's nothing negative, I'm happy to see it, so saying it is fine. " Fuck off with that shit, it's racist. inb4 "russian is not a race"
super gg
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 05 2013 14:13 GMT
#45824
On March 05 2013 23:05 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 22:36 Grettin wrote:
On March 05 2013 22:33 Yoshi- wrote:
I am still pretty sure that this is not the QQ Thread.


I'm pretty sure you didn't even read what i posted. Go ahead though, i have some faith left in you that you can do it.

I fucking hate people making posts like these. It's like "I saw a black person actually work today. It's nothing negative, I'm happy to see it, so making posts like these is fine. " Fuck off with that shit, it's racist. inb4 "russian is not a race"

Assuming you have English selected as your language and are not playing on the Russian server, people have every right to be mad at the Russians they play with. It's not "racist", it's that you've selected "English" on "Europe West" and yet somehow you get someone who clearly shouldn't be in the game because they can't communicate at all and have both their own language they can select AND a server dedicated to their country instead of fucking up your games.

Nothing wrong with Russians that speak English playing with English selected. I still don't get why they're on Europe West (or US or whatever), but it's OK. And of course it's unlikely the average Russian is worse than your average player from any country, it's just that if you're going to queue for a language you don't speak on a server whose area you don't live in you're probably not the brightest, meaning that most non-Russians are going to have a pretty bad opinion of the Russians they do play with.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 14:18:26
March 05 2013 14:14 GMT
#45825
On March 05 2013 23:05 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 22:36 Grettin wrote:
On March 05 2013 22:33 Yoshi- wrote:
I am still pretty sure that this is not the QQ Thread.


I'm pretty sure you didn't even read what i posted. Go ahead though, i have some faith left in you that you can do it.

I fucking hate people making posts like these. It's like "I saw a black person actually work today. It's nothing negative, I'm happy to see it, so saying it is fine. " Fuck off with that shit, it's racist. inb4 "russian is not a race"


I have no idea what you are trying to say here or who you are trying to talk to, but to make it clear: my post wasn't meant to be anything negative about Russians in general, but instead, it was about a GOOD EXPERIENCE (hence not in QQ Thread) with them and notable one, while usually I've had negative ones in the past for known reasons. Just like many of us playing in Europe.

I posted it because i wish all of the games where like that one, no communication problems, no huge skill difference and most of all, having FUN instead of slitting your wrists open.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 05 2013 14:18 GMT
#45826
I got a bit nostalgic and started reading some old golden threads from all-stars.

Here's my favorite http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404474.

What type of dota player are you?
I'm definitely the wannabe-hero, the rambo, the pub pro and the backdoor bandit. lol
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 05 2013 14:25 GMT
#45827
Office Thomas of the Azeroth Police Force.
Get it by your hands...
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 05 2013 14:26 GMT
#45828
On March 05 2013 22:55 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 22:46 SilverStar wrote:
So I am looking to buy a new keyboard. I mostly play Dota 2 and Starcraft? Any recommendations?


I bought QPAD MK-50 last year. been happy about it and it was relatively cheap compared to other brands. It also got decent reviews all around the internet.

http://www.qpad.com/products/keyboards/
http://www.qpad.com/products/keyboards/MK50/

Thanks for the suggestion.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 05 2013 14:27 GMT
#45829
On March 05 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I got a bit nostalgic and started reading some old golden threads from all-stars.

Here's my favorite http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404474.

What type of dota player are you?
I'm definitely the wannabe-hero, the rambo, the pub pro and the backdoor bandit. lol

The Unaware Team Player I think for me. :D
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2013 14:34 GMT
#45830
On March 05 2013 23:18 Steveling wrote:
I got a bit nostalgic and started reading some old golden threads from all-stars.

Here's my favorite http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404474.

What type of dota player are you?
I'm definitely the wannabe-hero, the rambo, the pub pro and the backdoor bandit. lol

The wannabe-hero and the rambo are completely opposite roles O.o
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 05 2013 14:35 GMT
#45831
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.
super gg
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 05 2013 14:45 GMT
#45832
On March 05 2013 23:35 cecek wrote:
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.

I think it's rather heavily implied that he was talking about Russians that reveal themselves to be Russian by typing with Cyrillic as opposed to Silent Guy #108,439 who could be from any country on the planet.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 05 2013 14:45 GMT
#45833
What I'm trying to get is, that people use the word "Russian" not as "of Russian nationality", but as "russian speaking and not willing to cooperate" and worse. Which is racist. (nationalist/whatever...) Sadly, it seems I'm in minority in thinking that and most people are just ok with it.
super gg
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 05 2013 14:48 GMT
#45834
On March 05 2013 23:45 cecek wrote:
What I'm trying to get is, that people use the word "Russian" not as "of Russian nationality", but as "russian speaking and not willing to cooperate" and worse. Which is racist. (nationalist/whatever...) Sadly, it seems I'm in minority in thinking that and most people are just ok with it.

Nah I agree. It is absolutely stupid talking about "Russians" when you do not know where people are from. But this opinion is really prelevant on reddit. Not as much here since people get banned for shit like that.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 14:49:42
March 05 2013 14:48 GMT
#45835
I see what your getting at cecek. The word has become derogatory in nature to some degree. At least among the english speaking dota community.
(not taking sides)
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 14:58:18
March 05 2013 14:49 GMT
#45836
On March 05 2013 23:35 cecek wrote:
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.


Oh dear.. Okay, you got me. I'm a racist. Are you willing to drop this already or should we still discuss about it? I've said everything I have to say.

I didn't mean it in a negative way, maybe some understood it as a negative outburst, but i meant it only positive and i'm happy that the game happened. Maybe that was because English isn't my first language either and i could've worded my post better.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2013 14:56 GMT
#45837
On March 05 2013 23:49 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 23:35 cecek wrote:
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.


Oh dear.. Okay, you got me. I'm a racist. Are you willing to drop this already or should we still discuss about it? I've said everything I have to say.

I didn't mean it in a negative way (maybe some understood it as a negative outburst, but i meant it only positive and i'm happy that the game happened. Maybe that was because English isn't my first language either and i could've worded my post better.

You have to use the politically correct "non-english speaking Eastern European".
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
March 05 2013 15:00 GMT
#45838
On March 05 2013 23:56 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 23:49 Grettin wrote:
On March 05 2013 23:35 cecek wrote:
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.


Oh dear.. Okay, you got me. I'm a racist. Are you willing to drop this already or should we still discuss about it? I've said everything I have to say.

I didn't mean it in a negative way (maybe some understood it as a negative outburst, but i meant it only positive and i'm happy that the game happened. Maybe that was because English isn't my first language either and i could've worded my post better.

You have to use the politically correct "non-english speaking Eastern European".


Thanks, i'll try to remember that the next time.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 15:04:22
March 05 2013 15:03 GMT
#45839
On March 05 2013 23:45 cecek wrote:
What I'm trying to get is, that people use the word "Russian" not as "of Russian nationality", but as "russian speaking and not willing to cooperate" and worse. Which is racist. (nationalist/whatever...) Sadly, it seems I'm in minority in thinking that and most people are just ok with it.

You're right to an extent, but "Russian" is considerably shorter than "Russians who play on my server with the wrong language selected and reveal themselves to be Russian through use of the Cyrillic alphabet", which is pretty clearly what is meant. Does the short hand somehow mean people disrespect Russians in general? Maybe a little, but I never saw too many people attacking Light of Heaven or Ars-Art when Na'vi played.

Ideally people should use the long hand term I gave (or something to that effect), but that's expecting a lot on a message board.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2013 15:04 GMT
#45840
On March 06 2013 00:00 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 23:56 Comeh wrote:
On March 05 2013 23:49 Grettin wrote:
On March 05 2013 23:35 cecek wrote:
The problem is that you're making a generalization about a whole nation of dota players based on your limited experience. By doing that, you're supporting a certain stereotype, which then just spirals into more hate towards the russians. Another thing is that you're definitely wrong in your first post. Has it never occured to you that often you can't even tell if a player is russian or not?

If your post was "I finally had a game, where I was in a team with a russian speaking 4stack and they were able to communicate with me", that is a COMPLETELY different story then "finally had a good game with Russians"

If you still don't understand why your post was racist, I don't think I will be able to explain to you. English is not my first language and I'm already struggling to put this post together.


Oh dear.. Okay, you got me. I'm a racist. Are you willing to drop this already or should we still discuss about it? I've said everything I have to say.

I didn't mean it in a negative way (maybe some understood it as a negative outburst, but i meant it only positive and i'm happy that the game happened. Maybe that was because English isn't my first language either and i could've worded my post better.

You have to use the politically correct "non-english speaking Eastern European".


Thanks, i'll try to remember that the next time.

Also, make sure you dont even insult his ethnicity, or even mention it. You have to ignore any sort of social aspects and merely connect any sort of insulting behavior based on his personality alone. In fact, you can't even say mean things about them, because then it looks badly on you and it could then be eventually connected to racism and that any negative qualities he has are secretly connected to his race.

You can't be mad ever again.
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