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crms
United States11933 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
which purge? diffusal is the only one that kills the golem. SD only does the normal damage, dusa won't kill til 16, all the other purges don't exactly work. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:38 crms wrote: I'm assuming he means diffusal. so you have to buy a very sub-optimal item on a carry or mid hero just to deal with a support combo. supports will never get it in time. so yeah.. xD seems like a good trade. Especially since fatal bonds and wisp link heal still is amaaaazing for winning fights anyway. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:41 PrinceXizor wrote: so you have to buy a very sub-optimal item on a carry or mid hero just to deal with a support combo. supports will never get it in time. so yeah.. xD seems like a good trade. Especially since fatal bonds and wisp link heal still is amaaaazing for winning fights anyway. Support? Isn't warlock played on a solo lane (mostly mid) like all the time? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:46 cecek wrote: Support? Isn't warlock played on a solo lane (mostly mid) like all the time? i wouldn't ever play warlock solo mid not if i was serious about him. probably would play either a heavy pulling 4 (really more like 3 in priority just played in safe lane pulling) or put him as a farming safe laner with a weaver offlane or gyro mid. Gyro especially is rediculous with warlock. fatal bonds flak cannon X_X he's a support hero even if he's not playing 5 pos. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
And no, a hero isn't just support just because. If a warlock goes solo mid and buys no wards, no courier, no generic support items and takes farm, he really isn't playing as a support at fucking all. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:51 Unleashing wrote: Funny because the teams running him competitively have primarily given him solo farm. i haven't seen those games, i just know historically what is done with him outside of spectre lock. On March 05 2013 07:51 Unleashing wrote: Funny because the teams running him competitively have primarily given him solo farm. And no, a hero isn't just support just because. If a warlock goes solo mid and buys no wards, no courier, no generic support items and takes farm, he really isn't playing as a support at fucking all. ....no he's still a support hero even if he's getting 1 position farm. support isn't a role in this case. support heroes aren't support because they play the role of support, though many of them do. Necrolyte is another farming support. as is enigma, windrunner, treant, puck ect. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On March 05 2013 04:50 duoform wrote: Funny how you consider a player " way stronger" than another and can't even hold s a couple of times to last hit.. I don't understand how people play with auto attack on. It's so fucking annoying | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:52 PrinceXizor wrote: ....no he's still a support hero even if he's getting 1 position farm. support isn't a role in this case. support heroes aren't support because they play the role of support, though many of them do. Necrolyte is another farming support. as is enigma, windrunner, treant, puck ect. No he's not a support. If you play 1st position wind runner she is not being a support at all. Same with necrolyte, especially necrolyte, he's there to carry, not support. Having an ability that allows you to help your entire team doesn't make you a support. Lmfao. Support is a role used to classify heroes, that funnily enough, support their team as their main role. Calling a hero a support when they are not doing anything that a support should do is simply put, stupid. Just like how VS wouldn't remain in the role of support if you were to go for a carry VS(Hasn't happened in ages, but yea). And yea, dignitas runs him solo-farm near-exclusively on fogged. And they do not play him as a support, at all, he does not buy support items nor does he play like a support. So i'm not sure what part of him is being a support. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
With warlock, you're basically going all-in with a strategy revolved around the warlock pick. He's not a casual support. That's why in recent games it's either raped, or been completely shit on. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:57 Unleashing wrote: No he's not a support. If you play 1st position wind runner she is not being a support at all. Same with necrolyte, especially necrolyte, he's there to carry, not support. Having an ability that allows you to help your entire team doesn't make you a support. Lmfao. Support is a role used to classify heroes, that funnily enough, support their team as their main role. And yea, dignitas runs him solo-farm near-exclusively on fogged. And they do not play him as a support, at all, he does not buy support items nor does he play like a support. So i'm not sure what part of him is being a support. you don't get it. at all. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On March 05 2013 07:58 crms wrote: I think solo mid is the only reasonable way to play him nowadays. He offers little to nothing in a trilane or in a dedicated puller, lane securer over nearly any other support hero in the pool. He needs levels, he needs farm or he's an insanely long cooldown stunner that instantly dies. With warlock, you're basically going all-in with a strategy revolved around the warlock pick. He's not a casual support. That's why in recent games it's either raped, or been completely shit on. I wouldn't say its all-in. He's a hero that can 5-man better than most heroes, and his ultimate is also relatively good for pushing towers. He's just really weak to any kind of split pushing, and specific timings of ganks work really well against teams that involve is composition. He's a strong hero - I wouldn't classify him as "all-in" any more than other pure-teamfight heroes. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
I do get it. Supports are in a certain game, the heroes that are there to support the rest of the team in terms of items or simply lane presence. If a hero does not do any such thing, they are no longer a support. If you're playing a first position necrolyte who is focusing on items to carry, he's not playing a support, so calling him a support is fucking retarded because that's not the role he has in said game. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
calling them such would devalue the term completely | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
The opposite also applies. Support sven, support mirana, support gyro, etc. It's the farm priority that defines the role. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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