EPTAlso, Razor has such terrible stats and stat gain. Was it always like this? He used to be mentioned as being OP for being useful in all stages of the game, I just can't see a hero with that low of agility gain being a useful carry lategame.
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Also, Razor has such terrible stats and stat gain. Was it always like this? He used to be mentioned as being OP for being useful in all stages of the game, I just can't see a hero with that low of agility gain being a useful carry lategame. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 17 2013 08:58 Nevuk wrote: Razor's ult - worth getting at 6 or is it better to go 4/4/4 before putting any points into it? Also, Razor has such terrible stats and stat gain. Was it always like this? He used to be mentioned as being OP for being useful in all stages of the game, I just can't see a hero with that low of agility gain being a useful carry lategame. 6.65 - Agi growth decreased from 2.5 to 2.0 6.65 - Strength grown decreased from 1.9 to 1.7 6.63 - Base strength increased from 17 to 21 6.61 - Lowered Intelligence gain from 2.2 to 1.8 | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On February 17 2013 08:58 Nevuk wrote: Razor's ult - worth getting at 6 or is it better to go 4/4/4 before putting any points into it? Also, Razor has such terrible stats and stat gain. Was it always like this? He used to be mentioned as being OP for being useful in all stages of the game, I just can't see a hero with that low of agility gain being a useful carry lategame. He needs the good'ol 4.2 treatment. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 17 2013 09:01 TheYango wrote: 6.65 - Agi growth decreased from 2.5 to 2.0 6.65 - Strength grown decreased from 1.9 to 1.7 6.63 - Base strength increased from 17 to 21 6.61 - Lowered Intelligence gain from 2.2 to 1.8 Ah the agi gain nerf is the big one to me. He has the same agi gain as Treant now... (he's like right at the middle in terms of overall agi growth). Furion and QoP both outcarry him lategame I would think due to their stat gains just flat out being better overall and they have a lot more utility now. The 6.65 changes coincided with the ranged vanguard nerf as well. That would be pretty hilarious. I don't think anything that extreme needs to happen, Icefrog has been buffing Razor's abilities for a while but the hero overall feels really awkward as far as roles go. It's like he's supposed to be a counter-carry but his survivability just sucks too much to live through that. Buffing his passive helps vs single target nukes but that's really all of the "tanky" capacity that the hero innately has anymore and that's not going to help vs a lot of the hero pool. | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 17 2013 09:27 Gheizen64 wrote: The anti-nuke spell need to be much better imho, like 200 damage at level 4. That way he'd have a more definite role, a tanky anti-single nukes anti-carry. As of now it the damage and purge feel more an add-on to the bonus MS i feel. With a 200 purge damage against each nuke he'd be a funny counter to some heroes, like Zeus (not that Zeus need to be nerfed lol). If the purge/damage went through bkb I think it would be fine as is. Razor is currently picked to counter Naix and other bkb dependent auto attack heroes. edit - let's go full imba wtf mode here and replace his ult with an ability that puts 0 CD on his link and lets him target multiple targets with it without breaking it. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On February 17 2013 10:06 PassiveAce wrote: iv always disliked his ult. It seems like a crappy battery assault. refresher ult is awesome. too bad refresher costs more than radiance. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 17 2013 10:42 Kupon3ss wrote: refresher aghs lothars got the fastest tower rape this side of tiny troll you mean desolator not lothars right? :D | ||
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Grettin
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
On February 17 2013 11:57 Grettin wrote: LGD+EG vs Dignitas+Merlini stack on Fear's stream. :-) 1172 spectators ingame and going up by the second, does alot of people spectate normal games or just because of the big names? | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:17 Makenshi wrote: 1172 spectators ingame and going up by the second, does alot of people spectate normal games or just because of the big names? Alot of people spectate first page games. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:24 ReignSupreme. wrote: Alot of people spectate first page games. Especially when they are that high of a level though. I mean how often are you going to see that high of a level play in a pub. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:17 Makenshi wrote: 1172 spectators ingame and going up by the second, does alot of people spectate normal games or just because of the big names? People love the chinese games mainly i have noticed. might be the times i am awake though, (chinese prime time). I swear i saw 3k for the iG stack once. Also i think razor is fine, the recent buff to his link makes him borderline broken verse certain heroes. It is just that people would prefer to run something with a stun/slow incase of an agressive trilane against them. Kotl+razor is an amazing combo if you can land max distance Q from razor. | ||
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