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gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
March 11 2012 18:31 GMT
#4121
On March 12 2012 03:29 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:28 FantaFanta wrote:
I really want to see ShadowFiend for once. I watched really much dota the last days and Zero SF !?

wow you're right, i've watched dozens of dota 2 vods and ZERO shadow fiend... even if the metagame is now about early-mid pushing, SF should handle it pretty well no?


not a single ability which helps him survive ( not even a slow ) kills his viability
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 18:32:49
March 11 2012 18:31 GMT
#4122
On March 12 2012 03:29 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:28 FantaFanta wrote:
I really want to see ShadowFiend for once. I watched really much dota the last days and Zero SF !?

wow you're right, i've watched dozens of dota 2 vods and ZERO shadow fiend... even if the metagame is now about early-mid pushing, SF should handle it pretty well no?

Smoke getting added to the game killed Shadowfiend in competitive play. His early game is already shaky, and Smoke lets supports abuse the fact that he's one of the most gankable solo mids in the game--and if SF gets ganked once or twice, he can get completely shut out of the game.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
March 11 2012 18:31 GMT
#4123
On March 12 2012 03:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:26 konadora wrote:
kinda sad that now with that 5 bans in CM, we wont see windrunners anymore

Don't worry, that will only last until we get 1-2 more high priority bans in the pool, or until people realize that Batrider is insane again.

never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

btw, any idea which heroes might be coming next? people are saying lycan + syllabear + shadow demon?
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 11 2012 18:32 GMT
#4124
On March 12 2012 03:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:26 konadora wrote:
kinda sad that now with that 5 bans in CM, we wont see windrunners anymore

Don't worry, that will only last until we get 1-2 more high priority bans in the pool, or until people realize that Batrider is insane again.

he was bugged untill the latest patch wasnt he ?
FantaFanta
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany225 Posts
March 11 2012 18:33 GMT
#4125
On March 12 2012 03:30 Qbek wrote:
Dendi played some SF yesterday, guess it was in the dignits cup


did they lose?


Regarding the 5 Bans, I think it's very good. So we don't always see 100% the same heroes. There are like 100 heroes (don't know exactly... don#t have fcking key yet) to chose from and every game veno, the anker guy, chen, furion, mirana
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
March 11 2012 18:33 GMT
#4126
On March 12 2012 03:31 Firebolt145 wrote:
Does fountain hook work in dota1? :/

iirc it does
On March 12 2012 03:31 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:29 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:28 FantaFanta wrote:
I really want to see ShadowFiend for once. I watched really much dota the last days and Zero SF !?

wow you're right, i've watched dozens of dota 2 vods and ZERO shadow fiend... even if the metagame is now about early-mid pushing, SF should handle it pretty well no?

Smoke getting added to the game killed Shadowfiend in competitive play. His early game is already shaky, and Smoke lets supports abuse the fact that he's one of the most gankable solo mids in the game--and if SF gets ganked once or twice, he can get completely shut out of the game.


why not as a side lane hero with a support then? sf shines early on because of his nuke, not his damage no?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 18:34:33
March 11 2012 18:33 GMT
#4127
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

On March 12 2012 03:33 konadora wrote:
why not as a side lane hero with a support then? sf shines early on because of his nuke, not his damage no?

Because he needs levels way too badly.

If he takes twice as long to reach level 5/7, that's twice as long where he has absolutely no influence on the game.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
March 11 2012 18:34 GMT
#4128
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 11 2012 18:36 GMT
#4129
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
March 11 2012 18:36 GMT
#4130
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


from playdota:

Notes
• Disable works on magic immune units.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 11 2012 18:36 GMT
#4131
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works

He's one of the strongest solo laners in the game, one of the scariest gankers in the game, and one of the most reliable initiators in the game.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 18:37:36
March 11 2012 18:37 GMT
#4132
I expected Fear to be on Naix, Demon on Enigma, Maelk on Tide. Rather surprised.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
March 11 2012 18:38 GMT
#4133
On March 12 2012 03:36 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.

does napalm itself do damage? also, does it amplify dmg from other heroes/units? man i so dont know this hero lol
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 11 2012 18:38 GMT
#4134
On March 12 2012 03:37 Firebolt145 wrote:
I expected Fear to be on Naix, Demon on Enigma, Maelk on Tide. Rather surprised.


Maelk played Veno pretty often for EG before he was an 'official' member, and Demon was playing Furion earlier, in the semi I believe.
ffxiv enjoyer
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 11 2012 18:39 GMT
#4135
On March 12 2012 03:38 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:36 red_ wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.

does napalm itself do damage? also, does it amplify dmg from other heroes/units? man i so dont know this hero lol

It slows turn rate(super annoying) and adds damage to every instance you do(fire fly has shitload of instances)
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 11 2012 18:41 GMT
#4136
On March 12 2012 03:38 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:36 red_ wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.

does napalm itself do damage? also, does it amplify dmg from other heroes/units? man i so dont know this hero lol

amplifies damage from all instances higher then 36(dont quote me on this) damage, that includes heroes, creeps, dots everything.
WriterXiao8~~
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 18:42:03
March 11 2012 18:41 GMT
#4137
On March 12 2012 03:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works

He's one of the strongest solo laners in the game, one of the scariest gankers in the game, and one of the most reliable initiators in the game.

hmm then why isn't he being picked more often? teams opting for more push-heavy heroes? that's the feel i've been getting from all the lineups i've been seeing, the typical bm/veno/furion/chen/enchant etc etc. only saw him being used once in that defense compilation hype video lol


On March 12 2012 03:41 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:38 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:36 red_ wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.

does napalm itself do damage? also, does it amplify dmg from other heroes/units? man i so dont know this hero lol

amplifies damage from all instances higher then 36(dont quote me on this) damage, that includes heroes, creeps, dots everything.


lol that is pretty gay
POGGERS
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#4138
On March 12 2012 03:41 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:36 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works

He's one of the strongest solo laners in the game, one of the scariest gankers in the game, and one of the most reliable initiators in the game.

hmm then why isn't he being picked more often? teams opting for more push-heavy heroes? that's the feel i've been getting from all the lineups i've been seeing, the typical bm/veno/furion/chen/enchant etc etc. only saw him being used once in that defense compilation hype video lol


Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:41 Kipsate wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:38 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:36 red_ wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:34 konadora wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:33 TheYango wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:31 konadora wrote:
never played batrider (i realise i never play a lot of the "new heroes", invoker huskar all only played this year in dota 2, never in dota 1), but how good is he?

Batrider and Lycanthrope are far and away the most banned heroes in Chinese competitive DotA 1.

hmm but why? i never played batrider myself so idk how he works


Napalm OP.

does napalm itself do damage? also, does it amplify dmg from other heroes/units? man i so dont know this hero lol

amplifies damage from all instances higher then 36(dont quote me on this) damage, that includes heroes, creeps, dots everything.


lol that is pretty gay


iirc there are a couple of differences between DotA 1 and Dota 2's BR, such as:

Napalm stack count is visible in fog of war, and is treated as a 'flying unit' by WC3 engine in DotA 1
ffxiv enjoyer
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
March 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#4139
tower down in 3 mins
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 11 2012 18:44 GMT
#4140
All damage from Batrider's attacks, items and skills is amplified, except for damage from Radiance.

On napalm from playdota.

He wasn't played so far coz he was bugged/not properly ported to dota2, and he got fixed but people need to train him a bit before they play him.
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