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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
January 17 2013 16:16 GMT
#38101
On January 18 2013 01:06 Daozzt wrote:
Or they could make his ult do damage again...


What was the reason that it doesn't do damage anymore? Because what i always felt was that it was actually 'way' too good when it dealt damage, but now without it, its almost useless.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 17 2013 16:18 GMT
#38102
On January 18 2013 01:16 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 01:06 Daozzt wrote:
Or they could make his ult do damage again...


What was the reason that it doesn't do damage anymore? Because what i always felt was that it was actually 'way' too good when it dealt damage, but now without it, its almost useless.

Well, they decreased the cooldown by a significant amount - I think the idea was almost a beastmaster-type roar effect. Roaming around finding kills with this ult was theoretically pretty strong.

I think the idea is to do something unique with his ulti - maybe a reverse vaccuum effect (roar-like) - pushing every hero away from treant while ulting. Would be broken around Rosh pit though.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 17 2013 16:21 GMT
#38103
wait i remember this discussion. Ravage and Overgrowth. I want the damage comeback for overgrowth!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 17 2013 16:21 GMT
#38104
pushing people away from a slow and tanky hero isn't a good idea lol, I feel like apllying something like a mini leech seed would be great or whatever really, currently it's just shitty with low CD being the only redeeming factor
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 16:42:50
January 17 2013 16:23 GMT
#38105
On January 18 2013 01:21 Qbek wrote:
pushing people away from a slow and tanky hero isn't a good idea lol, I feel like apllying something like a mini leech seed would be great or whatever really, currently it's just shitty with low CD being the only redeeming factor


Randomly apply 3/4/5 leech seeds of your X level leech seeds on enemy heroes in an aoe. I think i am heading to the suggestion forum!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 17 2013 16:34 GMT
#38106
On January 18 2013 01:21 Qbek wrote:
pushing people away from a slow and tanky hero isn't a good idea lol, I feel like apllying something like a mini leech seed would be great or whatever really, currently it's just shitty with low CD being the only redeeming factor

Oh, probably not - but I'm just trying to think of something unique (pushing away would be a huge teamfight disrupter a good chance for escape) since apparently icefrog doesn't want to stack damage on his ulti (which would be the obvious solution).

Perhaps, as previously suggested, it could heal every ally? It would be interesting, as it would be a mek-like effect that you would use later in a teamfight and different because it would still tether down enemies.
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
January 17 2013 16:58 GMT
#38107
What about making it apply the current level or Living Armor on all friendly targets within range?
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:04:12
January 17 2013 17:03 GMT
#38108
You're all looking at it wrong, they should just rework his ulti, here's my idea:

"Natures Fuck You"
Target Enemy hero
Magical
Melee range

Swaps heroes with target permanently or until the player currently holding the hero uses Natures Fuck You on another hero. Doesn't swap items, cooldowns on spells transfer to the next player.
Cooldown 30/60/120 seconds.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 17 2013 17:04 GMT
#38109
On January 18 2013 02:03 Bash wrote:
You're all looking at it wrong, they should just rework his ulti, here's my idea:

"Natures Fuck You"
Target Enemy hero
Magical
Melee range

Swaps heroes with target permanently or until the player currently holding the hero uses Natures Fuck You on another hero. Doesn't swap items.
Cooldown 30/60/120 seconds.

amazing idea tbh.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
January 17 2013 17:05 GMT
#38110
I say Treant Protector's ult should turn ALL trees into Treants.

He'd still suck though.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 17 2013 17:05 GMT
#38111
Change the name to something more eloquent and we can mail Icefrog
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 17 2013 17:08 GMT
#38112
how about just "fuck you"
I love the idea of a shitty hero whos ult is just to switch heroes with someone else.
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tapes
Profile Joined January 2013
487 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:12:28
January 17 2013 17:11 GMT
#38113
I like the HoN remake, especially the treats for split pushing. IceFrog should consider remaking roof as well.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:18:11
January 17 2013 17:15 GMT
#38114
On January 18 2013 02:11 tapes wrote:
I like the HoN remake, especially the treats for split pushing. IceFrog should consider remaking roof as well.

He's already remade him a billion times though.
He has obviously still not found a place where he is happy with treant. I'm expecting the treant we see at TI3 to be vastly different from current treant.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 17 2013 17:15 GMT
#38115
Should be a billion and one.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:21:41
January 17 2013 17:21 GMT
#38116
Having all targets caught and Leech seeded as well would make it decent.

Or make the ulti Global range!!!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 17 2013 17:24 GMT
#38117
On January 18 2013 02:21 trinxified wrote:
Having all targets caught and Leech seeded as well would make it decent.

Or make the ulti Global range!!!

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 17 2013 17:29 GMT
#38118
Tree would be fine if:

A) His leech seed had a reasonable range (like tide gush)
B) His invis had a reasonable fade time and/or mana cost
C) His living armor wasn't ass (should do more to heroes, but 1/2 of hero effect on towers).
E) He had a better manapool (or a way to easily farm mana boots/soul ring. Base damage =/= farming ability like tide's splash)

Pick 2 IMO.

I still think he has potential as a suicide laner with invis and tankiness, but he is sooooo slow. And the mana cost on his invis is pretty retarded for how useless it is.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
January 17 2013 17:29 GMT
#38119
I am all in for D)
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
January 17 2013 17:31 GMT
#38120
Tree is fine, you just have to send him mid.
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