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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 16 2013 15:20 GMT
#37841
wtf. So a pro does a very unusual opening, gem first in a competitive game under very specific circumstances, and suddenly every asshat on ladder has to emulate him.
Fucking dota.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 16 2013 15:21 GMT
#37842
On January 17 2013 00:18 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 00:01 Qbek wrote:
On January 17 2013 00:00 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So why do the spectator graphs put Radiant above Dire? Not exactly the biggest complaint in the world, but y'know. . .

Because that's how it's always been, ever since the scoreboard was introduced in game in dota1. It's not like it's unlabeled

My point is that it's stupid. Dire is top, not Radiant. Tradition isn't a good reason to keep stupid things.

No it isn't stupid, it isn't related to the map, it's related to the way people used to be positioned in the lobby. And it shall stay like this, they also should reverse the drafting screen to be consistent with it!
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 16 2013 15:21 GMT
#37843
I'm starting to convince myself that kotl might be first round pick / ban material...or at least just for me. The impact this guy has in lane is just game defining, and can ruin a carries farm / give him more then enough room even against a trilane. And with the shenanigans going on with PL lately (especially considering QB), I just feel like it would be justified.

Maybe I'm just crazy though.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 15:28:35
January 16 2013 15:27 GMT
#37844
On January 17 2013 00:21 Comeh wrote:
I'm starting to convince myself that kotl might be first round pick / ban material...or at least just for me. The impact this guy has in lane is just game defining, and can ruin a carries farm / give him more then enough room even against a trilane. And with the shenanigans going on with PL lately (especially considering QB), I just feel like it would be justified.

Maybe I'm just crazy though.


I agree to some extent. Chakra to most carries/semi-carries are invaluable early-mid game, so that's already a big impact right there.

And his counter-push capability, recall free-farming carries for team fights and getting A LOT of farm (either from counter pushing or jungle stacks) as support is great so constant warding is easy and at the same time get some items to get beefed up.

I really like KotL because it isn't hard to find and get farm to make supporting easier.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 15:31:07
January 16 2013 15:28 GMT
#37845
On January 17 2013 00:18 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 00:01 Qbek wrote:
On January 17 2013 00:00 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So why do the spectator graphs put Radiant above Dire? Not exactly the biggest complaint in the world, but y'know. . .

Because that's how it's always been, ever since the scoreboard was introduced in game in dota1. It's not like it's unlabeled

My point is that it's stupid. Dire is top, not Radiant. Tradition isn't a good reason to keep stupid things.

Radiant heroes are ontop during selection.
Radiant is ontop in the scoreboard(All of them).
Etc. It's just how it is, it's not tradition. It's how valve has actively decided to make it look and work.

And it just makes sense.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 16 2013 15:38 GMT
#37846
On January 17 2013 00:28 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 00:18 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On January 17 2013 00:01 Qbek wrote:
On January 17 2013 00:00 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So why do the spectator graphs put Radiant above Dire? Not exactly the biggest complaint in the world, but y'know. . .

Because that's how it's always been, ever since the scoreboard was introduced in game in dota1. It's not like it's unlabeled

My point is that it's stupid. Dire is top, not Radiant. Tradition isn't a good reason to keep stupid things.

Radiant heroes are ontop during selection.
Radiant is ontop in the scoreboard(All of them).
Etc. It's just how it is, it's not tradition. It's how valve has actively decided to make it look and work.

And it just makes sense.


To be fair, the first version of the current screen for hero selection had Dire on top IIRC, and some people found it confusing/strange, so it was changed to the way it is now. It's just what people are used to it, and there isn't anything wrong with that. It doesn't have to have a big meaningful justification.

It would make sense either way but there just is no (good) reason to change something that has been working well for ages.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
January 16 2013 15:42 GMT
#37847
On January 17 2013 00:21 Comeh wrote:
I'm starting to convince myself that kotl might be first round pick / ban material...or at least just for me. The impact this guy has in lane is just game defining, and can ruin a carries farm / give him more then enough room even against a trilane. And with the shenanigans going on with PL lately (especially considering QB), I just feel like it would be justified.

Maybe I'm just crazy though.


KotL is pretty damn annoying. You have to be so careful picking around him, he just crushes push lineups so hard. Also, Kotl+Wisp+tiny/CK/sven is fucking annoying. No matter where you are pushing, you will be met with huge resistance, always.

Would have helped if I was a competent magnus player too.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 16 2013 15:44 GMT
#37848
On January 17 2013 00:27 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 00:21 Comeh wrote:
I'm starting to convince myself that kotl might be first round pick / ban material...or at least just for me. The impact this guy has in lane is just game defining, and can ruin a carries farm / give him more then enough room even against a trilane. And with the shenanigans going on with PL lately (especially considering QB), I just feel like it would be justified.

Maybe I'm just crazy though.


I agree to some extent. Chakra to most carries/semi-carries are invaluable early-mid game, so that's already a big impact right there.

And his counter-push capability, recall free-farming carries for team fights and getting A LOT of farm (either from counter pushing or jungle stacks) as support is great so constant warding is easy and at the same time get some items to get beefed up.

I really like KotL because it isn't hard to find and get farm to make supporting easier.

Yeah - that's one of my favorite things about picking KotL - I can depend on him to get an easy mek. If picking him discourages the other team from going offensive trilane and letting my carry free farm, I can have one support get farm from pull, and I can have kotl stack a hard camp and farm with illuminate. I just can guarantee an early mek when I pick kotl and usually comfortable lanes..
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 16 2013 16:12 GMT
#37849
mana leak is imba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nick3
Profile Joined March 2011
513 Posts
January 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#37850
On January 17 2013 01:12 Erasme wrote:
mana leak is imba


You also played against ezalor just now?^^
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#37851
On January 17 2013 01:12 Erasme wrote:
mana leak is imba

Too bad it didn't stop tube's storm
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 16 2013 16:22 GMT
#37852
On January 17 2013 01:20 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:12 Erasme wrote:
mana leak is imba

Too bad it didn't stop tube's storm


i was gonna say 'ask tube'. that 15min linken /_\
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 16 2013 16:27 GMT
#37853
it would have work better if you didnt feed him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
January 16 2013 16:37 GMT
#37854
Yeah kotl was either picked in the first picking phase or banned in the second phase in a lot of the G league games, he's unbelivably strong in a trilane vs trilane scenario, is very good at stopping/slowing down pushes until way later in the game and chakra magic is just amazing
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 16 2013 16:41 GMT
#37855
Kotl is such a anti fun hero in dota,I know am has that reputation but man I hate kotl so much
Cackle™
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
January 16 2013 16:43 GMT
#37856
Pick Nyx and laugh then.

KotL is one of the best heroes to play as support in pubs because you can easily get the farm for both items & wards :3
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 17:10:08
January 16 2013 16:51 GMT
#37857
On January 17 2013 01:43 Andr3 wrote:
Pick Nyx and laugh then.

KotL is one of the best heroes to play as support in pubs because you can easily get the farm for both items & wards :3


Nyx can't always be in the same lane as him. heh

Also an easy way to flame noobs who don't buy wards/support items with KotL. They can't use the excuse of getting no farm. You don't even have to steal lane creep farm, you can get it from jungle stacks.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 16 2013 17:04 GMT
#37858
On January 17 2013 01:51 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:43 Andr3 wrote:
Pick Nyx and laugh then.

KotL is one of the best heroes to play as support in pubs because you can easily get the farm for both items & wards :3


Also an easy way to flame noobs who don't buy wards/support items with KotL. They can't use the excuse of getting no farm. You don't even have to steal lane creep farm, you can get it from jungle stacks.

But they will steal lane farm.

Lots and lots of lane farm.
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
January 16 2013 17:05 GMT
#37859
On January 17 2013 01:43 Andr3 wrote:
Pick Nyx and laugh then.

KotL is one of the best heroes to play as support in pubs because you can easily get the farm for both items & wards :3

Nynyxnyxnyxnyx. There is something so satisfying when you hear a kotl loading his blast, and preparing your carapace. It's true that otherwise kotl is quite imba in pubs, I played a random phantom lancer with a kotl support in lane that fed me mana, it just felt so bad for the guy laning against me.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 16 2013 17:26 GMT
#37860


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