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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
January 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#36641
On January 10 2013 05:42 Imbajoe wrote:
Is there a way to check what page your game is on other than actually going through each page till you find yours?

Great question, I want to know this as well. Not that I care what my rank is(it's bad), but I like looking for friends rankings
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#36642
oh lmao i was 147 and had to go into enemy jungle cuz those guys were so aggro ahaha
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2013 20:45 GMT
#36643
On January 10 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:40 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:32 Nixer wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people seem to want to automatically blame joinDOTA for everything bad that happens, I just don't get it. I mean, at least listen to both sides before you even judge. I thought people were at least better than this but I guess not.
It just makes me a bit sad, that's all.

Scapegoat / vocal minority / hivemind mentality. Tobi has made a few mistakes in the past (and often apologized for them), so now everyone jumped on a bandwagon of hate for him.

I mean, yeah, they make mistakes, but a lot of the hate is unwarranted. Sad that the community is turning this way.


Ehh... I mean JD has done a lot for the scene, but at the same time for quite a while they were THE name in dota 2 and rather than try to promote the game and the scene, they used their position to self-promote wildly, often at the cost of up-and-coming competitors. Understandable, but not really appealing or helpful to the community.

It isn't that I blame them for too many things, just that I don't like their organization at the moment.

Not sure what you mean at the cost of competitors.

A: They are competitors. They want to better than them.
B: They often list streams of Ayesee / etc on their page.
C: Tobi has often said stuff like "check out so-and-so's stream to check out whats going on over there".

Sure, Tobi plugs his website a lot. I dont have a problem with that.

Their website could use an update though
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
January 09 2013 20:47 GMT
#36644
On January 10 2013 05:42 Imbajoe wrote:
Is there a way to check what page your game is on other than actually going through each page till you find yours?

Nope. I wouldn't bother going past page 10 or so as the difference in skill level most likely won't matter that much.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
January 09 2013 20:47 GMT
#36645
On January 10 2013 05:45 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:40 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:32 Nixer wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people seem to want to automatically blame joinDOTA for everything bad that happens, I just don't get it. I mean, at least listen to both sides before you even judge. I thought people were at least better than this but I guess not.
It just makes me a bit sad, that's all.

Scapegoat / vocal minority / hivemind mentality. Tobi has made a few mistakes in the past (and often apologized for them), so now everyone jumped on a bandwagon of hate for him.

I mean, yeah, they make mistakes, but a lot of the hate is unwarranted. Sad that the community is turning this way.


Ehh... I mean JD has done a lot for the scene, but at the same time for quite a while they were THE name in dota 2 and rather than try to promote the game and the scene, they used their position to self-promote wildly, often at the cost of up-and-coming competitors. Understandable, but not really appealing or helpful to the community.

It isn't that I blame them for too many things, just that I don't like their organization at the moment.

Not sure what you mean at the cost of competitors.

A: They are competitors. They want to better than them.
B: They often list streams of Ayesee / etc on their page.
C: Tobi has often said stuff like "check out so-and-so's stream to check out whats going on over there".

Sure, Tobi plugs his website a lot. I dont have a problem with that.

Their website could use an update though

I think by saying at the cost of competitors, he is saying they set a standard that isn't easily achieved, resulting in the failure of a lot of new startups.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2013 20:51 GMT
#36646
On January 10 2013 05:47 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:45 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:40 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:32 Nixer wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people seem to want to automatically blame joinDOTA for everything bad that happens, I just don't get it. I mean, at least listen to both sides before you even judge. I thought people were at least better than this but I guess not.
It just makes me a bit sad, that's all.

Scapegoat / vocal minority / hivemind mentality. Tobi has made a few mistakes in the past (and often apologized for them), so now everyone jumped on a bandwagon of hate for him.

I mean, yeah, they make mistakes, but a lot of the hate is unwarranted. Sad that the community is turning this way.


Ehh... I mean JD has done a lot for the scene, but at the same time for quite a while they were THE name in dota 2 and rather than try to promote the game and the scene, they used their position to self-promote wildly, often at the cost of up-and-coming competitors. Understandable, but not really appealing or helpful to the community.

It isn't that I blame them for too many things, just that I don't like their organization at the moment.

Not sure what you mean at the cost of competitors.

A: They are competitors. They want to better than them.
B: They often list streams of Ayesee / etc on their page.
C: Tobi has often said stuff like "check out so-and-so's stream to check out whats going on over there".

Sure, Tobi plugs his website a lot. I dont have a problem with that.

Their website could use an update though

I think by saying at the cost of competitors, he is saying they set a standard that isn't easily achieved, resulting in the failure of a lot of new startups.

...I don't see how this is a bad thing. ?.?

I mean, yeah they make mistakes every once in awhile with streaming (yeah, and having no caster for the defense was horrible), but high quality casting isn't a problem. Also, BTS is getting a good viewer number these days.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 09 2013 20:51 GMT
#36647
dude blahzor go to ucsd for wgf and we can chill
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
January 09 2013 20:53 GMT
#36648
On January 10 2013 05:51 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:47 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:45 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:40 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:32 Nixer wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people seem to want to automatically blame joinDOTA for everything bad that happens, I just don't get it. I mean, at least listen to both sides before you even judge. I thought people were at least better than this but I guess not.
It just makes me a bit sad, that's all.

Scapegoat / vocal minority / hivemind mentality. Tobi has made a few mistakes in the past (and often apologized for them), so now everyone jumped on a bandwagon of hate for him.

I mean, yeah, they make mistakes, but a lot of the hate is unwarranted. Sad that the community is turning this way.


Ehh... I mean JD has done a lot for the scene, but at the same time for quite a while they were THE name in dota 2 and rather than try to promote the game and the scene, they used their position to self-promote wildly, often at the cost of up-and-coming competitors. Understandable, but not really appealing or helpful to the community.

It isn't that I blame them for too many things, just that I don't like their organization at the moment.

Not sure what you mean at the cost of competitors.

A: They are competitors. They want to better than them.
B: They often list streams of Ayesee / etc on their page.
C: Tobi has often said stuff like "check out so-and-so's stream to check out whats going on over there".

Sure, Tobi plugs his website a lot. I dont have a problem with that.

Their website could use an update though

I think by saying at the cost of competitors, he is saying they set a standard that isn't easily achieved, resulting in the failure of a lot of new startups.

...I don't see how this is a bad thing. ?.?

I mean, yeah they make mistakes every once in awhile with streaming (yeah, and having no caster for the defense was horrible), but high quality casting isn't a problem. Also, BTS is getting a good viewer number these days.

Yeah, I agree, it isn't necessarily bad. I was just clarifying what I though he meant
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
January 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#36649
On January 10 2013 05:51 FinestHour wrote:
dude blahzor go to ucsd for wgf and we can chill

I wish I wasn't from Canada. One day I will go down that way and chill with you and the TLDB guys
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 09 2013 20:55 GMT
#36650
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.
WriterXiao8~~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 09 2013 20:58 GMT
#36651
To be honest, I haven't watched or visited JD since TI2 so I can't really comment on their current state, but before that they had a tendency to plagiarize any news or dota coverage they found with minimal/no credit given. Plus tobi was (and is) a very in-demand caster so he would cast tournaments, and spend half the downtime plugging JD and JD's tournament (the defense) when they were in no way affilliated with what I was trying to watch at the moment.

It isn't like they were terrible, they just didn't act in the manner that they claimed. They talked all about community and wanting to see dota grow, and then went off and aggressively tried to funnel everybody through their own site. I guess the part that bothered me was how aggressive they were at saying "go to JoinDota" and "visit the JoinDota forums", without ever shouting out to playdota, or dotacommentaries, or some other newer organizations (who could clearly use the publicity).

For a while, Tobi was the Day[9] of Dota 2. Pretty much, THE non-pro-player name in the game. While Day[9] is careful to plug sponsors, players, organizers AND himself, tobi went on camera and plugged JD, JD forums, and himself non-stop. Thats all. I just got tired of it.

Sorry for the long rant, I don't really harbour any particular ill-will to JD, I just don't consume any of their content anymore, and I have my reasons.
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Jsauce-IGN
Profile Joined December 2012
United States14 Posts
January 09 2013 20:58 GMT
#36652
On January 10 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:40 Comeh wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:32 Nixer wrote:
Why do I get the feeling people seem to want to automatically blame joinDOTA for everything bad that happens, I just don't get it. I mean, at least listen to both sides before you even judge. I thought people were at least better than this but I guess not.
It just makes me a bit sad, that's all.

Scapegoat / vocal minority / hivemind mentality. Tobi has made a few mistakes in the past (and often apologized for them), so now everyone jumped on a bandwagon of hate for him.

I mean, yeah, they make mistakes, but a lot of the hate is unwarranted. Sad that the community is turning this way.


Ehh... I mean JD has done a lot for the scene, but at the same time for quite a while they were THE name in dota 2 and rather than try to promote the game and the scene, they used their position to self-promote wildly, often at the cost of up-and-coming competitors. Understandable, but not really appealing or helpful to the community.

It isn't that I blame them for too many things, just that I don't like their organization at the moment.


It's hard for many to understand that businesses are businesses. People expect so many things. Dota 2 scene is so very new, but we are all impatient beings. It upsets me when the negativity could turn-off some orgs from working hard to do things for the community.
Thousands of years of waiting...
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
January 09 2013 20:58 GMT
#36653
On January 10 2013 05:55 Kipsate wrote:
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.

LOL, come see central Canada, spefically Saskatchewan/the prairies which is where I live. Nothing but flat ass farm land for hundreds of miles. Netherlands is a beautiful country, and has great architecture and history.
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
January 09 2013 21:00 GMT
#36654
TBH I just need a break from Tobi's voice for a while.

Also, it's called illuminate. Pugna has blast.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 09 2013 21:04 GMT
#36655
On January 10 2013 05:58 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:55 Kipsate wrote:
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.

LOL, come see central Canada, spefically Saskatchewan/the prairies which is where I live. Nothing but flat ass farm land for hundreds of miles. Netherlands is a beautiful country, and has great architecture and history.


Canada is awesome. Saskatchewan... less so . Admittedly, it would be nice to have more things happen in Canada though.
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Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
January 09 2013 21:08 GMT
#36656
On January 10 2013 05:58 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:55 Kipsate wrote:
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.

LOL, come see central Canada, spefically Saskatchewan/the prairies which is where I live. Nothing but flat ass farm land for hundreds of miles. Netherlands is a beautiful country, and has great architecture and history.

I feel bad for you, I live in a landscape often nicknamed "Pampas" because of the similarity of the flatlands and the big farm fields. Luckily I don't have to travel far to get away and I live in Europe anyway so it's not really much of a problem.

Dota related; http://www.invokergame.com/ (has been posted several times before)
How about we have a little competition? Fastest time on 'Classic' wins.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 21:09:32
January 09 2013 21:08 GMT
#36657
On January 10 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:58 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:55 Kipsate wrote:
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.

LOL, come see central Canada, spefically Saskatchewan/the prairies which is where I live. Nothing but flat ass farm land for hundreds of miles. Netherlands is a beautiful country, and has great architecture and history.


Canada is awesome. Saskatchewan... less so . Admittedly, it would be nice to have more things happen in Canada though.

lol, yeah. Honestly, Saskatchewan is beautiful, and we have tons of stuff, just not the type of beautiful, or the type of stuff I like. I have vacationed many times in BC and Alberta, and going through the Rockie mountains makes me want to move so bad. I have been to PEI as well, and just like BC it is absolutely beautiful. I don't know if any Dota 2 tournaments happen in Canada though? TI2 in Seattle is close enough I guess. Some sc2 tournaments have made it to Canada, but not all too often.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 09 2013 21:11 GMT
#36658
On January 10 2013 06:08 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:58 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 10 2013 05:55 Kipsate wrote:
I live in the Netherlands

there is nothing here.

LOL, come see central Canada, spefically Saskatchewan/the prairies which is where I live. Nothing but flat ass farm land for hundreds of miles. Netherlands is a beautiful country, and has great architecture and history.


Canada is awesome. Saskatchewan... less so . Admittedly, it would be nice to have more things happen in Canada though.

lol, yeah. Honestly, Saskatchewan is beautiful, and we have tons of stuff, just not the type of beautiful, or the type of stuff I like. I have vacationed many times in BC and Alberta, and going through the Rockie mountains makes me want to move so bad. I have been to PEI as well, and just like BC it is absolutely beautiful. I don't know if any Dota 2 tournaments happen in Canada though? TI2 in Seattle is close enough I guess. Some sc2 tournaments have made it to Canada, but not all too often.


Unfortunately, Toronto/Montreal are the best bets for any kind of Esports tournaments in canada, and that is much farther away than seattle (for me) . I might try to make plans for TI3 in seattle though (If it isn't in China by then... )

But yeah, having lived in BC and vacationed to AB, then living in AB and vacationing to BC (rofl), the rockies are straight gorgeous to drive through.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
January 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#36659
On January 10 2013 05:54 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:51 FinestHour wrote:
dude blahzor go to ucsd for wgf and we can chill

I wish I wasn't from Canada. One day I will go down that way and chill with you and the TLDB guys


I actually live on the opposite end of california from all the others ahahah
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
January 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#36660
On January 10 2013 06:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
Unfortunately, Toronto/Montreal are the best bets for any kind of Esports tournaments in canada, and that is much farther away than seattle (for me) . I might try to make plans for TI3 in seattle though (If it isn't in China by then... )

But yeah, having lived in BC and vacationed to AB, then living in AB and vacationing to BC (rofl), the rockies are straight gorgeous to drive through.

It seemed like they were at least planning on having TI3 in Seattle, I don't think they're going to do it in China this year. Perhaps next year.
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