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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 04 2012 23:23 GMT
#31901
He's honestly not as bad as some of the other imbalanced heroes we've seen in the past. I wouldn't nerf the range on skewer though cause I think that'd hurt his laning capabilities too much, but I'd definitely look at the level 4 damage.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 04 2012 23:28 GMT
#31902
The new banning system makes OP heroes a bigger deal than before though, and probally makes First Pick an even bigger deal.

But I do agree with Puppey that it's an issue with the recent patches overall, not just Magnus. You have to be carefull when you buff everything by this much, it really changes the game by a lot, it changes the value of everything else.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 23:31:19
December 04 2012 23:30 GMT
#31903
On December 05 2012 08:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
He's honestly not as bad as some of the other imbalanced heroes we've seen in the past. I wouldn't nerf the range on skewer though cause I think that'd hurt his laning capabilities too much, but I'd definitely look at the level 4 damage.


Does skewer really need to pull as many heroes with it as it potentially can currently? I dislike it when Mag blink rp's and then just skewers the majority of a team half a mile away to die =(
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 04 2012 23:31 GMT
#31904
Puppey is just whining about the meta cause they're having trouble adapting. A lot of things have changed but not really so far as to completely change the game. We've already seen people adapting like picking naix against sven carries. I think this patch is way more balanced than what it was before, and we haven't even seen its true form just yet.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 04 2012 23:32 GMT
#31905
Reducing Skewer's AoE would not really harm his laning and could very well make it less extreme. Along with a damage nerf it may be enough. But 1200 is still huge, I don't think it would be such an issue if it was lowered to like 1000. You don't need to butcher it and cut it in half.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 04 2012 23:50 GMT
#31906
change dota2 skewer to how it was in dota1, then nerf the numbers slightly, done.


and putting a price on spells is retarded, try putting one on reverse polarity and you can see that its pointless
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
December 05 2012 00:31 GMT
#31907
What if you just make Skewer scale with level? Like 300-600-9000-1200. Yeah it would make it bad at lvl 1 but there are a lot spells which are bad at lvl 1. Would be a slight nerf at least.

Still prefer magnus over anti-fun and shotgun 3escape-morphling any day though. This meta is way more fun to spectate than the extreme 5kills 30min farmfest.

I feel sorry for Puppey for having so much trouble adapting, and can understand his frustration from being the best nonChinese team to a good nonChinese team. But that's part of being a dota pro, you have to learn to draft in the new metagame. iG have adapted fine.
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Haee
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
522 Posts
December 05 2012 00:52 GMT
#31908
I don't understand how people can defend Empower or Skewer. The initiation with Skewer to setup for a team fight into a RP outweighs the farm an Enigma or Sand King needs for a blink dagger to have a practical ult.

Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 05 2012 01:07 GMT
#31909
On December 05 2012 09:31 DrPandaPhD wrote:
What if you just make Skewer scale with level? Like 300-600-9000-1200. Yeah it would make it bad at lvl 1 but there are a lot spells which are bad at lvl 1. Would be a slight nerf at least.

Still prefer magnus over anti-fun and shotgun 3escape-morphling any day though. This meta is way more fun to spectate than the extreme 5kills 30min farmfest.

I feel sorry for Puppey for having so much trouble adapting, and can understand his frustration from being the best nonChinese team to a good nonChinese team. But that's part of being a dota pro, you have to learn to draft in the new metagame. iG have adapted fine.

i dunno man that might be a little broken at level 3
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 05 2012 01:11 GMT
#31910
On December 05 2012 10:07 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:31 DrPandaPhD wrote:
What if you just make Skewer scale with level? Like 300-600-9000-1200. Yeah it would make it bad at lvl 1 but there are a lot spells which are bad at lvl 1. Would be a slight nerf at least.

Still prefer magnus over anti-fun and shotgun 3escape-morphling any day though. This meta is way more fun to spectate than the extreme 5kills 30min farmfest.

I feel sorry for Puppey for having so much trouble adapting, and can understand his frustration from being the best nonChinese team to a good nonChinese team. But that's part of being a dota pro, you have to learn to draft in the new metagame. iG have adapted fine.

i dunno man that might be a little broken at level 3


Hey, at least it's not over 9000.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 01:13:36
December 05 2012 01:11 GMT
#31911
Yes I'm happy as hell that even the pros agree Drow and Centaur are broken.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
Wololo_
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada8 Posts
December 05 2012 01:13 GMT
#31912
Hey guys, Wololo here from NADotA..
I made a chrome extension recently for people who are into competitive DotA2. It basically fetches the upcoming games and shows them to you on the spot!

Check that shit out: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dota-2-match-ticker/nejdjlaibiicicciokonbbkecjleilon
Haee
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
522 Posts
December 05 2012 01:28 GMT
#31913

I feel that it's a no brainier response to some of the tepid farmfest games we've seen during the TI2 era but I think games as of late have become too "snowbally" where one team that doesn't throw the game literally happens to have an insurmountable advantage by the mid game fights. Yes this new patch encourages teams to go out of their way to kill heroes because of the significant amount of income you get from kills outweighs farming but this also leads to shorter games in average (something Ice has wanted for a very long time now).

I just honestly believe that the chances of succeeding an epic comeback due to the gold differential can become so large, so early have become very slim in contrast to before.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 05 2012 01:35 GMT
#31914
On December 05 2012 10:11 G3CKO wrote:
Yes I'm happy as hell that even the pros agree Drow and Centaur are broken.

pros say half the cast is broken.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
December 05 2012 02:19 GMT
#31915

what are some good educational streams ?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 02:23:00
December 05 2012 02:20 GMT
#31916
Blitz, Aui_2000, Merlini, Puppey sometimes, Firebolt145.
One of those names is of a vastly different skill level then the others though, but he puts a lot of effort into making his stream educational.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
December 05 2012 02:26 GMT
#31917
Yes, Puppy is not as good as the rest, but he still tries his best
"Yeah buddy"
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 05 2012 02:31 GMT
#31918
^I didn't want to name him because he might feel ashamed and embarrassed. Why do you have to pick on poor puppey?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 05 2012 02:38 GMT
#31919
On December 05 2012 11:20 PassiveAce wrote:
Blitz, Aui_2000, Merlini, Puppey sometimes, Firebolt145.
One of those names is of a vastly different skill level then the others though, but he puts a lot of effort into making his stream educational.

gonna go with puppey being vastly above all the others. :D
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 05 2012 02:42 GMT
#31920
On December 05 2012 10:11 G3CKO wrote:
Yes I'm happy as hell that even the pros agree Drow and Centaur are broken.

There's always like 3-5 broken heroes every version.

DotA's broken if there aren't any broken heroes.
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