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Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 01 2012 00:20 GMT
#31421
The defense 3 ticket is 8.99.. It costs even more than G-1.. but because it comes with a courier people will happily buy it. I'm not too happy how the relationship between joindota and valve is :S. I wish the other leagues would get more support.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 00:25:46
December 01 2012 00:24 GMT
#31422
Are you sure it's not the leagues that set the price? Or are you complaining about the courier?

I really don't think it's a big deal, it's not even that expensive, compared to other paid tournaments, and it's a fairly big one.

How long will it last, compared to G-1?

From the JD post it even seems like they did most of the work on the courier.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 00:36:23
December 01 2012 00:35 GMT
#31423
On December 01 2012 09:20 Implenia wrote:
The defense 3 ticket is 8.99.. It costs even more than G-1.. but because it comes with a courier people will happily buy it. I'm not too happy how the relationship between joindota and valve is :S. I wish the other leagues would get more support.


Why? Cyborgmatt said any tournament/team are free to make cosmetic items for their tournaments. They took the initiative to make their own courier for their own tournament. Why be mad at anyone.
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 01 2012 00:38 GMT
#31424
If anything, be mad at other tournaments, praise The Defense for doing extra work to make their tournament their success, and don't bring Valve into it because they don't really have anything to do with it.
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 01 2012 00:54 GMT
#31425
On December 01 2012 09:38 SKC wrote:
If anything, be mad at other tournaments, praise The Defense for doing extra work to make their tournament their success, and don't bring Valve into it because they don't really have anything to do with it.

So you are telling me Joindota was the first tournament with a ingame ticket and a courier drop because...

I'm not hating on valve or joindota. It's just weird that joindota comes out with these things always first. Either Joindota is super talented or the other tournaments are too lazy. Either way I hope G-1 can offer something similar next season.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 01:00:13
December 01 2012 00:56 GMT
#31426
I think joindota decides the price and so on, and yea it looks like they made most of the courier themselves.

I think it's fine really, if people buy it because of the courier, it's more money for the tournaments which in turn means bigger prizepools and better production, besides a few really small and pointless tournaments, i try to buy most tournaments since i'm also interested in having access to replays.

Also the first courier from the defense II was mostly due to it being the first ingame tournament ticket, i don't think it was due to it being the defense, not that any of us can confirm if that's true or not, this one(the sheep) was a courier made by joindota themself, i am sure other tournaments could do the same.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
December 01 2012 00:56 GMT
#31427
They should at least give 2 different ticket options, one with the courier, and a cheaper one without.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 01 2012 01:05 GMT
#31428
On December 01 2012 09:56 Angra wrote:
They should at least give 2 different ticket options, one with the courier, and a cheaper one without.


They already do. You buy the thing in game and then sell the courier.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 01:06:48
December 01 2012 01:06 GMT
#31429
On December 01 2012 10:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 09:56 Angra wrote:
They should at least give 2 different ticket options, one with the courier, and a cheaper one without.


They already do. You buy the thing in game and then sell the courier.

This is actually a very sensible way to go about it, i could easily see the courier go for a good 3-4 keys.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 01:12:12
December 01 2012 01:12 GMT
#31430
I will just watch the stream.
WriterXiao8~~
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 01 2012 01:14 GMT
#31431
On December 01 2012 09:54 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 09:38 SKC wrote:
If anything, be mad at other tournaments, praise The Defense for doing extra work to make their tournament their success, and don't bring Valve into it because they don't really have anything to do with it.

So you are telling me Joindota was the first tournament with a ingame ticket and a courier drop because...

I'm not hating on valve or joindota. It's just weird that joindota comes out with these things always first. Either Joindota is super talented or the other tournaments are too lazy. Either way I hope G-1 can offer something similar next season.


They are probally the company that is on contact the most with Valve. They may have suggested the idea to Valve, maybe they were just the first to actually do it. Either way, I don't see what's there to not be happy about, both of them are good things. I doubt Valve wouldn't listen to other tournaments, if that was the case. The other tournaments are probally not lazy, but they do have other things on their mind. SL and DH have plenty of other games to worry about, for example, they are bigger than their Dota 2 tournament. Chinese tournaments are just probally both less used to systems like these and not as close to Valve. Anyway, I just don't see any issue with this, they seem all good ideas and good news to me.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
December 01 2012 01:26 GMT
#31432
On December 01 2012 07:59 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 06:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:17 Dattish wrote:
Don't think TL is picking up A-Team. They want a stable lineup.

Translation is:
FUZZY TAXIDERMY = Fluffnstuff
POKEMON = Bulba
AQUATIC REPTILE = Korok
9MICROPHONE = ixmike
ATOMIC NUMBER 43 = Tc
GROUP FLUID = Teamliquid or bukkake

OH SHIT



That's actually a pretty sick team. I wonder if their playstyles would mesh. Korok is like crazy kill shit, TC is more chillbro let's play safe.

I bet this team would do well with a 4 protect 1 style where Korok, Bulba, mike and fluff run around killing shit while giving TC space.

These plans were known for a while. They couldn't get better players from NA, on the other hand who knows how long this team will last. I keep hoping one team I predict will fall apart actually stays together for over a year.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 01 2012 01:34 GMT
#31433
On December 01 2012 10:26 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 07:59 crms wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:17 Dattish wrote:
Don't think TL is picking up A-Team. They want a stable lineup.

Translation is:
FUZZY TAXIDERMY = Fluffnstuff
POKEMON = Bulba
AQUATIC REPTILE = Korok
9MICROPHONE = ixmike
ATOMIC NUMBER 43 = Tc
GROUP FLUID = Teamliquid or bukkake

OH SHIT



That's actually a pretty sick team. I wonder if their playstyles would mesh. Korok is like crazy kill shit, TC is more chillbro let's play safe.

I bet this team would do well with a 4 protect 1 style where Korok, Bulba, mike and fluff run around killing shit while giving TC space.

These plans were known for a while. They couldn't get better players from NA, on the other hand who knows how long this team will last. I keep hoping one team I predict will fall apart actually stays together for over a year.

Known by whom?
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 01 2012 01:54 GMT
#31434
Pub Recipe of the Day: Random Bane

Random Bane (duh), get Soul Ring + GG branch (they are called like that for a reason). Proceed to take a big steamy thing on the enemy mid by trading hits and leeching everything lost back. Transition into ganks, ganks and more ganks. Get some of these: Blink, Necrobook (favourite), Dagon + Eth Blade, etc. etc. Use your ultimate on the loudest complainer on the other team for more delicious QQ. Get Necrobook against Shadowblade users or invis heroes and laugh at the wasted skill/item slot.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 01 2012 01:54 GMT
#31435
On December 01 2012 10:34 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:26 5-s wrote:
On December 01 2012 07:59 crms wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:26 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 01 2012 06:17 Dattish wrote:
Don't think TL is picking up A-Team. They want a stable lineup.

Translation is:
FUZZY TAXIDERMY = Fluffnstuff
POKEMON = Bulba
AQUATIC REPTILE = Korok
9MICROPHONE = ixmike
ATOMIC NUMBER 43 = Tc
GROUP FLUID = Teamliquid or bukkake

OH SHIT



That's actually a pretty sick team. I wonder if their playstyles would mesh. Korok is like crazy kill shit, TC is more chillbro let's play safe.

I bet this team would do well with a 4 protect 1 style where Korok, Bulba, mike and fluff run around killing shit while giving TC space.

These plans were known for a while. They couldn't get better players from NA, on the other hand who knows how long this team will last. I keep hoping one team I predict will fall apart actually stays together for over a year.

Known by whom?

nah dota
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 02:08:15
December 01 2012 02:05 GMT
#31436
On December 01 2012 10:54 akatama wrote:
Pub Recipe of the Day: Random Bane

Random Bane (duh), get Soul Ring + GG branch (they are called like that for a reason). Proceed to take a big steamy thing on the enemy mid by trading hits and leeching everything lost back. Transition into ganks, ganks and more ganks. Get some of these: Blink, Necrobook (favourite), Dagon + Eth Blade, etc. etc. Use your ultimate on the loudest complainer on the other team for more delicious QQ. Get Necrobook against Shadowblade users or invis heroes and laugh at the wasted skill/item slot.

No clue why you'd use random gold to start Soul Ring rather than Bottle+Branches or Bottle+Flying Courier Recipe and just Bottle-Crow. Bottle-Crowing is significantly more effective regen than Soul Ring (especially mid, where the distance to lane is much shorter), and you want the Bottle for runes anyway.

Soul Ring is better for sidelanes where you don't have reliable rune access and the courier distance is longer, but for mid, I'd much rather start Bottle.
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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 02:26:40
December 01 2012 02:26 GMT
#31437
On December 01 2012 06:17 Dattish wrote:
Don't think TL is picking up A-Team. They want a stable lineup.

Translation is:
FUZZY TAXIDERMY = Fluffnstuff
POKEMON = Bulba
AQUATIC REPTILE = Korok
9MICROPHONE = ixmike
ATOMIC NUMBER 43 = Tc
GROUP FLUID = Teamliquid or bukkake


Most of that lineup has been together for over a year now, though (Fluff, Mike, TC). There's not much more stable than that in the Dota scene.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
December 01 2012 02:40 GMT
#31438
On December 01 2012 11:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 10:54 akatama wrote:
Pub Recipe of the Day: Random Bane

Random Bane (duh), get Soul Ring + GG branch (they are called like that for a reason). Proceed to take a big steamy thing on the enemy mid by trading hits and leeching everything lost back. Transition into ganks, ganks and more ganks. Get some of these: Blink, Necrobook (favourite), Dagon + Eth Blade, etc. etc. Use your ultimate on the loudest complainer on the other team for more delicious QQ. Get Necrobook against Shadowblade users or invis heroes and laugh at the wasted skill/item slot.

No clue why you'd use random gold to start Soul Ring rather than Bottle+Branches or Bottle+Flying Courier Recipe and just Bottle-Crow. Bottle-Crowing is significantly more effective regen than Soul Ring (especially mid, where the distance to lane is much shorter), and you want the Bottle for runes anyway.

Soul Ring is better for sidelanes where you don't have reliable rune access and the courier distance is longer, but for mid, I'd much rather start Bottle.

Yea a decent mid going bottle rush will easily beat a soul ring start
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 01 2012 02:56 GMT
#31439
Didn't someone post that bottle mana regen with every rune is less than soul ring? 210 mana vs 150 mana every 30 seconds + 50% mana regen? Though honestly you probably don't need that much mana since you can probably dominate the lane with less.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 01 2012 03:01 GMT
#31440
On December 01 2012 11:40 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 11:05 TheYango wrote:
On December 01 2012 10:54 akatama wrote:
Pub Recipe of the Day: Random Bane

Random Bane (duh), get Soul Ring + GG branch (they are called like that for a reason). Proceed to take a big steamy thing on the enemy mid by trading hits and leeching everything lost back. Transition into ganks, ganks and more ganks. Get some of these: Blink, Necrobook (favourite), Dagon + Eth Blade, etc. etc. Use your ultimate on the loudest complainer on the other team for more delicious QQ. Get Necrobook against Shadowblade users or invis heroes and laugh at the wasted skill/item slot.

No clue why you'd use random gold to start Soul Ring rather than Bottle+Branches or Bottle+Flying Courier Recipe and just Bottle-Crow. Bottle-Crowing is significantly more effective regen than Soul Ring (especially mid, where the distance to lane is much shorter), and you want the Bottle for runes anyway.

Soul Ring is better for sidelanes where you don't have reliable rune access and the courier distance is longer, but for mid, I'd much rather start Bottle.

Yea a decent mid going bottle rush will easily beat a soul ring start

Keep in mind this is aimed at a pub and there were times when I just couldn't get a fast bottle because a random individual considers getting his magic wand is more important than a <1:30 bottle or got it killed for some lousy tangoes. Sometimes it is just better to eliminate the randomness (awkward moment when you want to punch the wall because you were mopping up the other mid, but he lucks out on a rune and everything gets turned around while you wait for the crow to go to base and back).
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