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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 13 2012 21:38 GMT
#29521
Necro is so cool to play.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 13 2012 22:05 GMT
#29522
On November 14 2012 06:31 RuskiPanda wrote:
On the other hand if you don't manage to get farm Necro is one of the most miserable heroes to play. Get blown up every fight and run out of mana after casting two-three Heals, let alone your Ult.


Kinda feel like that's where I am with my Necro. It's like 2-6 with 14 assists. Just doesn't feel powerful or useful unless I can solo mid. But I sill love him for puzzling reasons. The item recs have been very useful.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 13 2012 22:13 GMT
#29523
On November 14 2012 07:05 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 06:31 RuskiPanda wrote:
On the other hand if you don't manage to get farm Necro is one of the most miserable heroes to play. Get blown up every fight and run out of mana after casting two-three Heals, let alone your Ult.


Kinda feel like that's where I am with my Necro. It's like 2-6 with 14 assists. Just doesn't feel powerful or useful unless I can solo mid. But I sill love him for puzzling reasons. The item recs have been very useful.


Kill stealing with necro is an art that must be mastered to be effective in teamfights
High Risk Low Reward
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#29524
--- Nuked ---
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
November 13 2012 22:22 GMT
#29525
On November 14 2012 07:15 Dattish wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090215044433/http://www.dota-allstars.com/index.php

DotA-Allstars webarchive is up. Seems like the ability suggestion forum is unavalible, but hero suggestions are.

I read some allegations that Riot ripped off ideas from the ability suggestion. I wouldn't put it past them them but unless there will be some kind of proof there is nothing that can be done.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
November 13 2012 22:50 GMT
#29526
Doubt they'll ever give us the proof needed to prove that they're ripping off IP.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 22:58:13
November 13 2012 22:57 GMT
#29527
On November 14 2012 07:05 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 06:31 RuskiPanda wrote:
On the other hand if you don't manage to get farm Necro is one of the most miserable heroes to play. Get blown up every fight and run out of mana after casting two-three Heals, let alone your Ult.


Kinda feel like that's where I am with my Necro. It's like 2-6 with 14 assists. Just doesn't feel powerful or useful unless I can solo mid. But I sill love him for puzzling reasons. The item recs have been very useful.


I wonder if he could get some burst farming done with massive jungle stack or two at lvl 5, though it's likely he doesn't seem to have enough damage without help to clear the stacks, unless it's something like only satyrs/wolves, maybe ogres. Considering he could abuse the unlimited targets of Pulse, but really the manacost will probably stop it from happening.
Maybe early Soulring shenanigans...

Easy camp should be clearable early when stacked, but might not give enough stuff back to warrant it, unless its some crazy Radiant dual mid or roaming support stacking it while passing by.

I like to play with ideas, though I don't think these will turn out any good.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
November 13 2012 22:58 GMT
#29528
oh god, can't stop watching this. Getting pumped to play MM:

Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
November 13 2012 23:03 GMT
#29529
I want a Day9 daily on DoTA
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
November 13 2012 23:07 GMT
#29530
Merlinis guide to Zeus
THIS
This is the equivalent of Dendi writing a Pudge guide. I can´t find words for it.

I still remember reading the mechanics forum without end. Any question you ever had was in there, already answered. In that forum they discovered the pseudo random number distribution WC3 uses. Not by sifting through code, but by brute force. They wrote a map if I remember correctly, that had several dummies attacking each other and keeping a log of which hits were criticals. Multiple people did, kept those maps running over night.
And why did they? Because of a hunch.

Seriously, fuck Pendragon for destroying that.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 13 2012 23:08 GMT
#29531
On November 14 2012 07:22 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 07:15 Dattish wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090215044433/http://www.dota-allstars.com/index.php

DotA-Allstars webarchive is up. Seems like the ability suggestion forum is unavalible, but hero suggestions are.

I read some allegations that Riot ripped off ideas from the ability suggestion. I wouldn't put it past them them but unless there will be some kind of proof there is nothing that can be done.

It only took ~15 minutes of browsing to find a hero concept in the hero suggestion forum that became a champion in LoL.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090221034430/http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=128922
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Brand

Third skill and ultimate obviously don't make sense in the context of LoL, but first and second skill (and the "bonus effect when burning" mechanic in particular) were pretty much ported wholesale.
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Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 13 2012 23:11 GMT
#29532
--- Nuked ---
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
November 13 2012 23:16 GMT
#29533
On November 14 2012 08:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 07:22 SilverStar wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:15 Dattish wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090215044433/http://www.dota-allstars.com/index.php

DotA-Allstars webarchive is up. Seems like the ability suggestion forum is unavalible, but hero suggestions are.

I read some allegations that Riot ripped off ideas from the ability suggestion. I wouldn't put it past them them but unless there will be some kind of proof there is nothing that can be done.

It only took ~15 minutes of browsing to find a hero concept in the hero suggestion forum that became a champion in LoL.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090221034430/http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=128922
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Brand

Third skill and ultimate obviously don't make sense in the context of LoL, but first and second skill (and the "bonus effect when burning" mechanic in particular) were pretty much ported wholesale.

I laughed... oh the gems. This is gonna be fun!
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
November 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#29534
Also, good job Riot.

You finally did it. The last remaining... http://www.dreamhack.se/
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 13 2012 23:23 GMT
#29535
On November 14 2012 08:20 duoform wrote:
Also, good job Riot.

You finally did it. The last remaining... http://www.dreamhack.se/

LoL has been at Dreamhack for a while. The difference is that Dreamhack didn't want to abide by exclusivity, so they provided their own prize pool rather than taking Riot's money in exchange for exclusivity. As far as I'm aware this is not changing?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 23:25:46
November 13 2012 23:25 GMT
#29536
On November 14 2012 08:07 Mataza wrote:
Merlinis guide to Zeus
THIS
This is the equivalent of Dendi writing a Pudge guide. I can´t find words for it.

I still remember reading the mechanics forum without end. Any question you ever had was in there, already answered. In that forum they discovered the pseudo random number distribution WC3 uses. Not by sifting through code, but by brute force. They wrote a map if I remember correctly, that had several dummies attacking each other and keeping a log of which hits were criticals. Multiple people did, kept those maps running over night.
And why did they? Because of a hunch.

Seriously, fuck Pendragon for destroying that.


Zeus remains one of the most popular heroes in DotA. Not only is he incredibly fun to play in public games, but he is considered so powerful that he is either a ban or first pick in organized games. Although he does not have an escape mechanism (more recently with the Dagger nerf), he is one of the few non-stun Intelligence heroes to see competitive play. Zeus is not too complex of a hero: He has insane burst damage early game, with great scaling lategame thanks to Static Field, and a global nuke that is perhaps one of the most annoying skills in all of DotA.

It is amazing to go back in time and read this. I still remember reading this guide so many years ago when I was new to Dota. :D
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duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
November 13 2012 23:26 GMT
#29537
On November 14 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 08:20 duoform wrote:
Also, good job Riot.

You finally did it. The last remaining... http://www.dreamhack.se/

LoL has been at Dreamhack for a while. The difference is that Dreamhack didn't want to abide by exclusivity, so they provided their own prize pool rather than taking Riot's money in exchange for exclusivity. As far as I'm aware this is not changing?

You are indeed true... but why is there a Riot logo in the frontpage of Dreamhack then? I never saw it before. Not in Dreamhack at least!
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#29538
On November 14 2012 08:26 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:
On November 14 2012 08:20 duoform wrote:
Also, good job Riot.

You finally did it. The last remaining... http://www.dreamhack.se/

LoL has been at Dreamhack for a while. The difference is that Dreamhack didn't want to abide by exclusivity, so they provided their own prize pool rather than taking Riot's money in exchange for exclusivity. As far as I'm aware this is not changing?

You are indeed true... but why is there a Riot logo in the frontpage of Dreamhack then? I never saw it before. Not in Dreamhack at least!

Well the art belongs to them, so it might just be for that.

Regardless, as long as this doesn't affect DotA, I wouldn't worry. And if it does affect DotA, well fuck Riot's exclusivity bullshit.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#29539
On November 14 2012 07:58 SilverStar wrote:
oh god, can't stop watching this. Getting pumped to play MM:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6JLs0ppUIk



i love this. I can't believe i like most of these stupid ass 420MLGXXXPROXGAMEZRXX videos but they always make me laugh. Thanks for link. ))
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
November 13 2012 23:33 GMT
#29540
On November 14 2012 08:26 duoform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:
On November 14 2012 08:20 duoform wrote:
Also, good job Riot.

You finally did it. The last remaining... http://www.dreamhack.se/

LoL has been at Dreamhack for a while. The difference is that Dreamhack didn't want to abide by exclusivity, so they provided their own prize pool rather than taking Riot's money in exchange for exclusivity. As far as I'm aware this is not changing?

You are indeed true... but why is there a Riot logo in the frontpage of Dreamhack then? I never saw it before. Not in Dreamhack at least!


because $$$

Marketing monies handed over to make the LoL tourney the splash page no doubt

its all in the game ya feel me
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