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Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
November 04 2012 00:04 GMT
#28201
On November 04 2012 08:54 Ginastic wrote:
What do Unusual Essence do? And i can use it with a Seraphic egg? (full upgraded)


yes even up to 3 times.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 04 2012 00:25 GMT
#28202
On November 04 2012 08:34 Prime`Rib wrote:
I just read the 6.75 Changelog again.

Bristleback really caught my eyes. The capped for Quill Spray is 400 physical damage that cant be blocked. That means if BB farmed enough and stood within the teamfight for 30 sec. He would put some some sick damage just from Quill Spray + Goo and his Warpath. Now combo him with Undying, we got some sick early push and some decent late game fighting.


While a team fight generally last from about 5s to 15s, post patch BB is very strong regardless he is in a team fight or not (he is more of a chasing hero). A few stacks of spray+warpath can kill any support in 3-5hits in early game (not even joking lol).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 04 2012 00:26 GMT
#28203
smguy theory crafted on reddit that using pudge isnt that efficient bc the number could get overload by dota2 engine. Instead using rubick chen to buff HP of a single creep and let clinkz eat it is much better. So technically, you can 1 shot rosh in this current cycle.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
November 04 2012 00:34 GMT
#28204
The broked game is really educational about the limits of the displayed values.
At over 16k HP the current HP overflow and are displayed negative.
The max HP overflow at ~32k and it starts back at 1.
Kills and deaths(and presumably assists) overflow at 64.
Damage from strength overflows at presumably 2048, but weirdly seems to go to 1023 before starting back at 0,

If you ever reach 64 kills, it will be displayed as 0. Could be a way to mask your really failed games. Just feed 64 times and your deaths will start at 0 again(also you will probably be reported).

The engine seems to handle big numbers fine though. 55+k crits are possible.

So in essence, what started as goodhearted contest got progressively worse with each abuse that got figured out. Just like the diretide mode itself.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 04 2012 00:43 GMT
#28205
On November 04 2012 09:34 Mataza wrote:
So in essence, what started as goodhearted contest got progressively worse with each abuse that got figured out. Just like the diretide mode itself.


That really isnt valves fault though, people are just shady. How do you expect someone to stay in the game for 8 hours. Like seriously? Go out, get some sunlight and breath some air.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
November 04 2012 00:48 GMT
#28206
On November 04 2012 09:26 NB wrote:
smguy theory crafted on reddit that using pudge isnt that efficient bc the number could get overload by dota2 engine. Instead using rubick chen to buff HP of a single creep and let clinkz eat it is much better. So technically, you can 1 shot rosh in this current cycle.

This is genius :D
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
November 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#28207
On November 04 2012 09:43 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 09:34 Mataza wrote:
So in essence, what started as goodhearted contest got progressively worse with each abuse that got figured out. Just like the diretide mode itself.


That really isnt valves fault though, people are just shady. How do you expect someone to stay in the game for 8 hours. Like seriously? Go out, get some sunlight and breath some air.

Not putting any blame on anyone.

If I had to, it would be the very obvious problem of not having a resolution for a tie. That was a question that crossed my mind the very moment I understood the game mode.
Even Roshans inability to cliffwalk is acceptable as it balances out by putting you into a 4v5 situation.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
November 04 2012 01:35 GMT
#28208
Just had an awesome game, where my team managed to come back several times. First catching up on one rax, then another, then equalling out the megacreeps and ending the game. We were down 10 kills in the end, but the game was really just awesome. I myself didn't play too good, but also not horrible - after games like those you just have to call it a day, before the next one just completely messes up the mood.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 04 2012 01:36 GMT
#28209
damn, I want to be that record so bad D:
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 04 2012 01:37 GMT
#28210
We need to do that 10-man group thing again :D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
November 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#28211
I am willing to spend 8 hours to get that golden courier. Who else is with me??
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#28212
Same :B As long as MLG is on
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
November 04 2012 01:48 GMT
#28213
im in
Tahona
Profile Joined October 2010
United States252 Posts
November 04 2012 02:00 GMT
#28214
I'd be game tomorrow afternoon/mon/tues
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 02:13:58
November 04 2012 02:12 GMT
#28215
its not a good idea attempting this on the weekend with uncertain mmr, unless you have a group of 10 people have always been group matchmaking from very beginning.

edit: scratch that, i think we could easily make 10 new account and attempt the race. I currently have 3 extra betakey, if somebody willing to chip in 7 more we could do this in 1 or 2 take.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
November 04 2012 02:27 GMT
#28216
On November 04 2012 10:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Same :B As long as MLG is on

Flash fighting...
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
November 04 2012 02:31 GMT
#28217
On November 04 2012 11:12 NB wrote:
its not a good idea attempting this on the weekend with uncertain mmr, unless you have a group of 10 people have always been group matchmaking from very beginning.

edit: scratch that, i think we could easily make 10 new account and attempt the race. I currently have 3 extra betakey, if somebody willing to chip in 7 more we could do this in 1 or 2 take.


I´ll be laughing so hard when the golden roshan is untradable.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 04 2012 02:43 GMT
#28218
On November 04 2012 11:31 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 11:12 NB wrote:
its not a good idea attempting this on the weekend with uncertain mmr, unless you have a group of 10 people have always been group matchmaking from very beginning.

edit: scratch that, i think we could easily make 10 new account and attempt the race. I currently have 3 extra betakey, if somebody willing to chip in 7 more we could do this in 1 or 2 take.


I´ll be laughing so hard when the golden roshan is untradable.


you could sell the account...
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 04 2012 02:45 GMT
#28219
I would make it my main account, just switch everything back there :-/... MMR isnt a problem if you are good LOL
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 03:16:06
November 04 2012 03:12 GMT
#28220
Golden Roshan would be so cute. Hmm it would take...

Each Holy Persuasion adds 300 HP. Roshan has 150000 HP and let's just say 80 armor, which is 82.76% physical reduction. Means Clinkz has to have one attack hit for 870000 damage. Clinkz gains 8% of a creep's life when he Death Pacts it, meaning Clinkz has to gain damage from a 10875000 HP creep. That equates to 36250 conversions, or 18125 conversions split between two people (Chen and Rubick). Holy Persuasion has an 18 second cooldown, so to buff one neutral creep with 18125 conversions would take 5437.5 minutes, or 90.625 hours.

Note that numbers aren't exact because Clinkz will have base damage and the neutral creep will have base HP!

That number seems daunting! Except you can use minus armor stuff to make life easier. If you can bring Roshan down to 20 armor, then he resists only 55% physical damage. Clinkz therefore needs to hit for 330000 damage. This equates to consuming a 4125000 HP creep, which takes 13750 conversions to buff. Split that between two people for 6875 conversions per person, which will take 34.375 hours.

Still quite a long time to sit and persuade. These numbers assume neither player will sleep as well. But you'd set an unbeatable Roshan record of pretty much nil time.

More math!

Assuming you don't plan on one-shotting Roshan, you can still kill him quickly. Let's assume Clinkz has maximum AS, so he attacks 2.94 times per second. If you want to kill a 20 armor Roshan in around 10 seconds, that's 30 attacks. Each attack has to deal 5000 physical damage after reductions, or 11000 damage pre-reduction. This equates to a consumed creep of 137500 HP, which takes ~460 persuasions, or ~230 per person. That will only take you 69 minutes!

So after everything else, only 1.5 hours to set up and execute.

I'm so down to do this.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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