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On November 03 2012 05:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Would a good possible strategy be to feed Pudge a bazillion kills? Couldn't you do something like feed the crap out of the Pudge team, and then just have the other team horde candy that they'll drop into their bucket near the end of the game to get a bunch of levels and money to catch up? So one team gets all the kills, the other team gets all the candy, and Pudge gets a bunch of extra strength.
I'm at school and have like 5 minutes of free time, or I'd try to do the math myself. Could this be good?
In theory if you could feed Pudge fast enough it sounds reasonable, but in practice, I'm not sure if you could feed Pudge fast enough in the allotted time.
Also putting candy in a bucket gives gold/XP to both teams, not just the one getting the candy. Obs any Diretide game to confirm this.
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On November 03 2012 05:16 Yoshi- wrote:
Doesn't silencer steal int no matter how much int the enemy has?
only in dota 1.. but then again i've never tried in dota 2.
however you can easily steal 40 starting int from people then as everyone levels up they line up to die to silencer and go back to what they are doing.
silencer could probably get 120 int extra before rosh which leads to 120 + 36% + 30% +15% for the auras and thats almost a rapier of extra damage.
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On November 03 2012 05:17 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 04:15 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
Because the bullshit stuff made it so people wanted to fight constantly. Now they just sit back and farm then win a teamfight into victory. I don't think that had to do with Valve fixing exploits. It's just people figuring out the optimal strategies rather than bumbling about. Yea that's possible. I was just pissed at the time so wasn't that rational.
I think the mode's lived out its course, and I'm glad this is just a holiday event. I don't think its worth the time investment to seriously balance the map, and it's just some fun for a few playthroughs/free items, which is what it's supposed to be.
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you might be able to feed pudge fast enough, there's no base towers so he can just sit there and kill things
might be worth it, you can probably get 2000+ str pretty comfortably
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On November 03 2012 06:03 Dead9 wrote:
you might be able to feed pudge fast enough, there's no base towers so he can just sit there and kill things
might be worth it, you can probably get 2000+ str pretty comfortably
hero level up when we put candies in the bucket therefore increase death time, not sure if 2000+ is really possible that case.
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The only option would be to feed at lvl 1 for like 10 mins, then candy up while rosh aggro person sits high ground (would still get XP and money so should be OK). But I don't really know how long it takes to get BoT + 4 Rapiers + Daedalus + Mjollnir for the entire team. And Lone Druid needs double (and I'm pretty sure he is an key component here).
2000 seems pretty optimistic either way.
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On November 03 2012 06:21 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:03 Dead9 wrote:
you might be able to feed pudge fast enough, there's no base towers so he can just sit there and kill things
might be worth it, you can probably get 2000+ str pretty comfortably hero level up when we put candies in the bucket therefore increase death time, not sure if 2000+ is really possible that case.
obviously if you put candies in the bucket it's not gonna be possible
guess how u solve that
edit: yeah 2000 is a bit optimistic though, that's probably like 15~18 minutes and idk if you have enough time to trade candies then
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Group stages should be tomorrow, semifinals and finals on sunday. I have no info on the exact time tho :/
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On November 03 2012 06:26 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:21 NB wrote:On November 03 2012 06:03 Dead9 wrote:
you might be able to feed pudge fast enough, there's no base towers so he can just sit there and kill things
might be worth it, you can probably get 2000+ str pretty comfortably hero level up when we put candies in the bucket therefore increase death time, not sure if 2000+ is really possible that case. obviously if you put candies in the bucket it's not gonna be possible guess how u solve that
you'll get 180 strength if you feed pudge 5 men for 10 minutes. no where near 2000.
even if you spend the entire time feeding pudge it won't be anywhere close to 1k let alone 2k
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edit: wait no
dude 180 is 1 guy 100 times
which is like 5~10 minutes of 1 guy feeding
probably closer 7~8 but tbh i'm not really sure
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On November 03 2012 06:30 Dead9 wrote:
edit: wait no
dude 180 is 1 guy 100 times
which is like 5~10 minutes of 1 guy feeding
heh. seriously?
10 minutes is 600 seconds if you die and respawn in 6 seconds, unless you think pudge is sitting in your fountain killing you instantly there is no way 1 guy provides 100 deaths in 10 minutes.
realistically you are looking at 30 seconds for each team wipe and thats being generous and 10 kills a minute for 10 minutes is 100 kills.
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respawn time is like 4 seconds at lvl 1
so if we assume 2 seconds for pudge to kill a lvl 1 hero.
You could easily get 500 kills in 10 minutes
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On November 03 2012 06:33 Yoshi- wrote:
respawn time is like 4 seconds at lvl 1
so if we assume 2 seconds for pudge to kill a lvl 1 hero.
You could easily get 500 kills in 10 minutes
so we are assuming pudge is sitting in their fountain not dying then?
but feel free to go prove me wrong lol.
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respawn time is 4s; killing them within 2s is what i'm not really sure about
might be doable but i'm not actually sure
maybe not comfortably 2000+ but i think that's certainly attainable
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On November 03 2012 06:34 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:33 Yoshi- wrote:
respawn time is like 4 seconds at lvl 1
so if we assume 2 seconds for pudge to kill a lvl 1 hero.
You could easily get 500 kills in 10 minutes so we are assuming pudge is sitting in their fountain not dying then? but feel free to go prove me wrong lol.
uh u have 4 other heroes
and they should be running out as soon as they spawn
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In 10 minutes to kill someone 100 times, you have to be killing them once every 6 seconds. Which is a pretty ambitious estimate given that level 1 respawn time is 4 seconds, and you have to be just outside of fountain attack range and they have to walk to you. Plus the first few kills of Pudge killing level 1 heroes will take way longer than 6 second.
Part of the issue is that Pudge has to get his levels/items to the point where he can rot-kill people without killing himself, otherwise you lose a lot of time when Pudge has to heal/wait for salves/whatever.
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if it's so easy dead9 just do it. it should take you what 10 minutes to prove?
It's impossible to do what you say realistically.
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you have four other heroes...
sniper+drow+w.e
after a couple levels you should be able to almost instantly kill anyone who spawns
if you can get me 10 people who want to test this then i'm pretty sure i could make 2000+ on the first go
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Yeah we're done here. LOL
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On November 03 2012 06:38 Dead9 wrote:
you have four other heroes...
sniper+drow+w.e
after a couple levels you should be able to almost instantly kill anyone who spawns
if you can get me 10 people who want to test this then i'm pretty sure i could make 2000+ on the first go
Practically speaking the biggest issue we had trying this was trying to get stacks to even queue into each other.
We tried for like 1.5-2 hours and our 5stacks never met each other, even queueing on South America.
Practically speaking though, 5stack vs 4stack is probably the easiest because matchmaking can fill any MMR disparity with a random. But that means you have to get a random that will go along with you.
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