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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
November 02 2012 04:43 GMT
#27941
you can use orchid on rosh too but im not sure if the damage amp applies to him.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 05:08:05
November 02 2012 05:01 GMT
#27942
if you had to perma sheep rosh couldnt you have a tinker get fed mana by a wisp with a 30+ charge bloodstone? if that wasnt enough then get KOTL to feed mana to wisp who in turn amplifies the mana by 1.5x to tinker. that almost has to be enough to perma sheep.

Edit: hell thats like enough mana for 5 people lol
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
November 02 2012 05:17 GMT
#27943
During the first 20 mins feed tinker kills for 4 bloodstones and have him get a orchid sheep. Then he just orchid + sheeps rosh and rearms. repeat while you have armor degen team with ursa+ drow aura team. EZPZ.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
November 02 2012 05:38 GMT
#27944
So erhm....

Has anyone here ever tried to queue into a specific 5 men stack? How did it go?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 02 2012 05:38 GMT
#27945
medallion works on rosh (:
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Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
November 02 2012 05:59 GMT
#27946
On November 02 2012 14:01 LazyFailKid wrote:
if you had to perma sheep rosh couldnt you have a tinker get fed mana by a wisp with a 30+ charge bloodstone? if that wasnt enough then get KOTL to feed mana to wisp who in turn amplifies the mana by 1.5x to tinker. that almost has to be enough to perma sheep.

Edit: hell thats like enough mana for 5 people lol


Tinker bots + 4 sheep sticks
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
November 02 2012 06:31 GMT
#27947
Great... Ice3 is streaming.

So much for getting my homework done tonight.
Skol
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
November 02 2012 06:35 GMT
#27948
On November 02 2012 15:31 Emnjay808 wrote:
Great... Ice3 is streaming.

So much for getting my homework done tonight.

Noooo, this was the last thread I was going to check before going to sleep, but now I want to watch him stream so bad
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 06:43:31
November 02 2012 06:41 GMT
#27949
Did none of you guys watch the replay of the guys that held the record yesterday? They thought of pretty much everything.

1) It was a 9 man stack, they had the random guy pick ursa and walked him through exactly what to do. Their teams were radiant with Tinker, Slardar, Phantom Assassin, Wisp and Ursa, and dire with Syllabear, Shadowfiend, Windrunner, Drow and Vengeful Spirit.

2) They had the Windrunner and Wisp go to the opposite candy basket and just autoattack the basket for the first 20 minutes, while the Slardar and the Vengeful Spirit spent the entire time just picking up the candy as it dropped and depositing it back into the basket.

3) They had the Tinker go mid and the Shadowfiend started the game by feeding him about 10-15 kills to get him many many many charges on his bloodstone. In phase 2 they had one hero on each side run around collecting all the dropped candy from the lanes and deposit them as well.

4) They had the Wisp farm up all the support stuff, namely medallion, deso, AC, etc. The Syllabear farmed up 6 slots, with Daedalus + Mjolnir + 4 Rapiers on both him and the bear. This is also more or less the item build for everyone else except for Drow and Ursa, both with 6 butterflies, and Tinker with sheep/orchids/multiple bloodstones with fed charges.

5) Once the second phase begins, they spam feed Rosh candy until he starts chasing Tinker, at which point Tinker simply TP's between the fountain and t1 tower over and over again to keep Rosh busy for the entire 10 minutes

6) In preperation for the final phase, everyone gets themselves a set of BoTs but has the final rapier/butterfly sitting in their stash. You can switch items with the stash from anywhere once the final phase starts. Once the final phase begins, everyone TP's straight to Rosh and switches out their BoTs for the last rapier/butterfly.

7) Tinker obviously spends his entire time spamming sheep/orchids on Rosh, everyone else just spreads out for a brief second to make it easier for the sheeps to happen, and unload everything.

These were more or less the steps from yesterday's cycle. Right now the current record is about the same as far as I can remember, however with some different items. They have almost the exact same heroes, except for an alchemist instead of an SF.

Item choices are similar as well; mass rapiers, mjollnirs and daedalus. There are a few differences though; many of the heroes carry 2 daedaluses instead of just 1. They also have a few heroes keeping their BoTs on for the last phase (WR and Slardar) which means they were not as efficient as they could have been. Perhaps someone can math out what is the most efficient combination for each hero.

Current cycle leaders (not the one I have watched):
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I'll watch this one later tonight when I'm back.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
November 02 2012 06:42 GMT
#27950
On November 02 2012 14:59 Skullflower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 14:01 LazyFailKid wrote:
if you had to perma sheep rosh couldnt you have a tinker get fed mana by a wisp with a 30+ charge bloodstone? if that wasnt enough then get KOTL to feed mana to wisp who in turn amplifies the mana by 1.5x to tinker. that almost has to be enough to perma sheep.

Edit: hell thats like enough mana for 5 people lol


Tinker bots + 4 sheep sticks

Sheepsticks share cooldown. Besides, why do you need a wisp battery when you can do it yourself?
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 06:46:12
November 02 2012 06:44 GMT
#27951
People have way too much time on their hands to think this stuff up, lol.

But congrats to them for being such studs for making it work.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
November 02 2012 06:48 GMT
#27952
On November 02 2012 15:44 TheEmulator wrote:
People have way too much time on their hands to think this stuff up, lol.

But congrats to them for being such studs for making it work.

It's not rocket science. To be honest, I had thought most of it up myself while in the shower yesterday, the only bit that really needs work is the exact optimal item build for each hero (what combination of daedalus/rapiers/mjollnir).
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 02 2012 06:58 GMT
#27953
wow raid boss pretty much
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 07:16:51
November 02 2012 07:16 GMT
#27954
^ I was thinking this too when I first did it. Lots of preparation if you want to hit the record, though perma sheep trivialises the encounter.
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pap0t
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines279 Posts
November 02 2012 07:24 GMT
#27955
Why don't get another rubic and with a tinker... he copies rearm .. and boom.. two heroes that can perma sheep :p
Ownage, maybe?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 02 2012 07:26 GMT
#27956
why wouldn't you use undying? increasing the damage taken on rosh by 35% is more valuable than having a carry attacking.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 02 2012 07:27 GMT
#27957
On November 02 2012 16:24 pap0t wrote:
Why don't get another rubic and with a tinker... he copies rearm .. and boom.. two heroes that can perma sheep :p


One hero can do it, why do you need two?
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
November 02 2012 07:42 GMT
#27958
@Bolt: The MAFFCRAFT THEORYTEAM(tm) decided that the current record holders aren't doing it optimal and we can do it better.

However, we failed horribly at trying to queue into each other, maybe that's why they used 4+5 instead of 5+5. >_>
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
November 02 2012 07:59 GMT
#27959
Is getting Aghs on windrunner to remove the damage reduction on crit better than getting a rapier instead for this?
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 08:03:33
November 02 2012 08:02 GMT
#27960
I dunno about anyone else but Diretide has lost its fun for me now. When it first started nobody knew what the fuck to do so everyone was just running around stealing candy all over the place. Now everyone's figured out that you just play defensive all game until it gets towards the end when you just 5-man teamfight once, wipe the other team, and take all the candy. It's not really even fun anymore for me because everyone just stands mid/near their ancient entrance defending almost all game. Pretty much no excitement happens, and if you try to steal candy at all, you just die because almost their whole team is defending the entire time. It's just boring.
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