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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Speaking of that.... there's too many shadow- in this game. And almost none overlap in a sensible manner. QoP's shadow strike is a slow/dot, shadow fiend nukes everywhere, shadow demon creates illusions/purges/not-dot-poison/increase damage, shadow shaman is crowd control fest/wards/shock, shadow walk is an invis spell, shadow blade sounds lame but is the same as shadow walk. If shadowblade must retain the shadow couldn't it be shadow edge instead? Lothar's edge was so much better of a name. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:22 Kupon3ss wrote: because you're playing against a hero u've never seen, and somebody tells you "look out for that guy's Q" what do u think? Who would say that? If anything you'd say watch out for that guy's stun. You wouldn't relate it to that enemy heroes hotkey at all. The new player would learn that new hero and find out his stun is Q and relate it himself later on. I wouldn't say 'watch out for that persons T', we'd always say 'watch out for his stun'. There would be no relation in using keys based on spell names or organized in QWER slots in this scenarion you made. The relation would come later when the new player looked into the hero afterward. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:22 Kupon3ss wrote: because you're playing against a hero u've never seen, and somebody tells you "look out for that guy's Q" what do u think? You call skills by descriptions in forums out of courtesy, not because "its convient for you", why do people call workers workers in start craft when u can just be like "OMG that toss is down 25 e's" (note how this also has the added advantage of instantly allow you to figure out if its BW or sc2) That player probably doesn't know what some of the skills do from what they're called either. Storm bolt is pretty obvious (or I could have just played too much wc3), but if you said watch out for that guy's nasal goo I wouldn't know what the hell you're talking about either. The key here is using terms that people will understand. The vast majority of people seem to understand what QWER mean and the people that are bothered by it seem to know what they mean and want to complain about it. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:26 TheYango wrote: Well you'd figure out pretty quickly which skill "Viscous Nasal Goo" is when he casts it once, so you'd know to watch out for it. You still don't know which skill "Q" is regardless until you play the hero/look him up. It's actually not when you realize that it's fairly commonplace for Chinese to refer to DotA items by cost too. Should have left my Chinese joke in there ^_^ would have been perfect. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:28 crms wrote: Who would say that? If anything you'd say watch out for that guy's stun. You wouldn't relate it to that enemy heroes hotkey at all. The new player would learn that new hero and find out his stun is Q and relate it himself later on. I wouldn't say 'watch out for that persons T', we'd always say 'watch out for his stun'. There would be no relation in using keys based on spell names or organized in QWER slots in this scenarion you made. The relation would come later when the new player looked into the hero afterward. right, if you'd say watch for that guy's stun in game, why not do it here, that's all we're asking | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:32 Dead9 wrote: does non linear skill scaling not bother anyone else linear scaling bothers me because i think it removes depth from the game and from skillbuild choices | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:30 Kupon3ss wrote: right, if you'd say watch for that guy's stun in game, why not do it here, that's all we're asking It's possible I missed an important piece of this conversation before I jumped in with all these posts going back and forth. I think we're in agreement. ^_^ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:33 Kupon3ss wrote: linear scaling bothers me because i think it removes depth from the game and from skillbuild choices There should be a skill that is worse at rank 3 in all regards than it is at rank 2, but be way better at rank 4. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:35 TheYango wrote: There should be a skill that is worse at rank 3 in all regards than it is at rank 2, but be way better at rank 4. That is terrible when you can save skill points. Then it just becomes a noob trap | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:35 TheYango wrote: There should be a skill that is worse at rank 3 in all regards than it is at rank 2, but be way better at rank 4. People would just save their skill point and drop both into it. Zeus chain lightning almost fits that description though (rank 3 is barely an improvement on rank 2 but rank 4 is significant). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: That is terrible when you can save skill points. Then it just becomes a noob trap But is saving that skill point for a level worth not having a rank in another skill/stats!?!?!?! On October 31 2012 08:38 Kupon3ss wrote: X marks the spot, sucks at rank 3, rank 4 lets u mark yourself before tping back to fountain to refill the bottle Touche. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:35 TheYango wrote: There should be a skill that is worse at rank 3 in all regards than it is at rank 2, but be way better at rank 4. X marks the spot, sucks at rank 3, rank 4 lets u mark yourself before tping back to fountain to refill the bottle | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:38 TheYango wrote: But is saving that skill point for a level worth not having a rank in another skill/stats!?!?!?! The best part about saving a skillpoint is that if you really need that skill you can just skill it? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it was like 100/110/120/130 mana cd went 29/21/13/5 or something disclaimer: i made those numbers up but they're close enough i think edit: typos | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
Oh yeah the old manaburn on Neru Ass is fucking bad on scalling: lv1 90 mana cost and never skill it until last 3 level =))... | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:50 LAN-f34r wrote: Arrg this chen change is so frustrating. I'm used to going ctrl E to level up persuasion, but now that levels up test. Wish there was an option or something to put the send back on the extra spell slot, rather than the persuasion. Level 4 test of faith instead of level 4 creeps is really bad -.- (at least I discovered it in a practice game first, so didn't not get it at level 1). not using QWER would have solved this problem ^_^, but yeah, Chen's actually marginally stronger lategame tho once people get used to how he works. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On October 31 2012 08:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: That player probably doesn't know what some of the skills do from what they're called either. Storm bolt is pretty obvious (or I could have just played too much wc3), but if you said watch out for that guy's nasal goo I wouldn't know what the hell you're talking about either. The key here is using terms that people will understand. The vast majority of people seem to understand what QWER mean and the people that are bothered by it seem to know what they mean and want to complain about it. 'Watch out for his stun' 'Watch out for his slow' 'Watch out for his nuke' 'Watch out, he can go invisible' 'Watch out, he can blink' Etc etc So much easier than 'watch out for his Q'. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
You don't really persaude in a teamfight, where you will be sending people back anyway. Not really that much of a buff - even late game the mana is probably more of an issue than the possibility of sending people back while converting. Unless you are talking about the penitence buff, which was a separate change. | ||
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