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On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote: I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well). you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis
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On October 20 2012 19:35 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote: I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well). you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis And it would require dust, sentry, gem and some other thing to reveal!
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On October 20 2012 19:35 Dead9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote: I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well). you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis
Might as well add in a smoke, tree's invis skill, and potm ulti. The opposing team would need a full inventory of gems/sentry/dust to detect you.
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You can buy a lothars on riki and have one attack without removing your invisibility
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I'm calling shadowblade riki as the new pro strat. Just imagine being a squishy support when suddenly you have a few hundred hp less and there's absolutely nothing and no one around. Then the next time you're dead. That's the real silent assassin
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On October 20 2012 19:44 Incze wrote: I'm calling shadowblade riki as the new pro strat. Just imagine being a squishy support when suddenly you have a few hundred hp less and there's absolutely nothing and no one around. Then the next time you're dead. That's the real silent assassin That's called killing necro 3 unit by accident. Twice
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A bit late but I wanted to show how ridiculous the rapier bug was. And yes the hero taking advantage of the bug could infinitely stack damage if you took the time to do it. People didn't get to abuse this one like the Chen Roshan one =x
http://i.imgur.com/uC5KY.jpg
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What rapier bug? I can't find anything on it. I see that it gives you absurd damage, but how?
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On October 20 2012 20:00 Incze wrote: What rapier bug? I can't find anything on it. I see that it gives you absurd damage, but how?
Involves a death, rebuy, and lots of picking/dropping item.
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Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry...........
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On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote: Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry........... 150 damage multiplied by lv4 jinada becomes 337.5 damage. That's basically throwing a second shuriken, or just getting a dagon. The idea is to do huge nuke damage, picking off supports and carries before they grow big, and getting farmed yourself. Personally, I don't like it because it doesn't give you much sustained teamfight potential, but the item is NOT for that anyway. If you're getting shadowblade and trying to initiate 5v5 fights, you're doing it wrong.
On a separate note, shadowblade is semi-cost efficient. 30dmg 30aspd for 3k gold.. (almost) 30 agil for an agil hero (better than a eaglesong) or 300 more expensive than 3 quarterstaffs.
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I like how regularly guys that are totally clueless comment on how lothars bh is useless.
I was clueless once too, but I took the time to look up how people with thousands of posts can be serious about that. Don´t be quick to judge, Dota isn´t an intuitive game. It´s more like alchemy. You try stuff out and sometimes you make gold out of cow dung and bricks.
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On October 20 2012 23:05 Mataza wrote: Dota isn´t an intuitive game. It´s more like alchemy. You try stuff out and sometimes you make gold out of cow dung and bricks.
Please let me put that in my sig
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On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote: Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry........... look at this graph
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zA4M2.png)
gg
Its 405 damage with Jinada on your next hit, not 150. That is almost ~600 damage with level 4 jinada on your target. You will almost literally 1-shot supports/low hp heroes like SF or Weaver.
relevant
https://dotabuff.com/matches/44691145
credits to the man
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089.
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On October 20 2012 17:30 pap0t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 17:26 [17]Purple wrote: I remember Merlini more for his jungling BM, does that make me weird? NO! that would make you old? hihihihi!.. i think he was the first person to actually make jungling viable
He was the first person to make pull/stack jungling viable. There were other heroes who jungled before Merlini's BM.
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On October 21 2012 00:13 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote: Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry........... look at this graph ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zA4M2.png) gg Its 405 damage with Jinada on your next hit, not 150. That is almost ~600 damage with level 4 jinada on your target. You will almost literally 1-shot supports/low hp heroes like SF or Weaver. relevant https://dotabuff.com/matches/44691145credits to the man http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089. Wheres gg branch ?
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GG branch gives 56 damage for 3k gold +/-. (Assuming unlimited item slots) It doesn't beat lothars in burst.
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That's with nothing but the item in your inventory? Someone should do the math of when Deso passes Lothars.
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your x is armor and doesn't take into account base damage, the effect of deso on red numbers is about equal after the first rapier passes that of lothars once u get your second rapier
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