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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#25781
On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote:
I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well).

you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 20 2012 10:37 GMT
#25782
On October 20 2012 19:35 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote:
I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well).

you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis

And it would require dust, sentry, gem and some other thing to reveal!
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 20 2012 10:38 GMT
#25783
On October 20 2012 19:35 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 19:25 LAN-f34r wrote:
I heard that you can activate both at the same time and during the fade ttime they don't cancel (in the same way you can invis from bottle and take a sip as well).

you could also sip an invis rune then hit shadow amulet then windwalk then lothars for quad invis


Might as well add in a smoke, tree's invis skill, and potm ulti. The opposing team would need a full inventory of gems/sentry/dust to detect you.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
October 20 2012 10:40 GMT
#25784
You can buy a lothars on riki and have one attack without removing your invisibility
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 20 2012 10:44 GMT
#25785
I'm calling shadowblade riki as the new pro strat.
Just imagine being a squishy support when suddenly you have a few hundred hp less and there's absolutely nothing and no one around. Then the next time you're dead. That's the real silent assassin
Religion: Buckethead
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
October 20 2012 10:45 GMT
#25786
On October 20 2012 19:44 Incze wrote:
I'm calling shadowblade riki as the new pro strat.
Just imagine being a squishy support when suddenly you have a few hundred hp less and there's absolutely nothing and no one around. Then the next time you're dead. That's the real silent assassin

That's called killing necro 3 unit by accident. Twice
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 20 2012 10:54 GMT
#25787
A bit late but I wanted to show how ridiculous the rapier bug was. And yes the hero taking advantage of the bug could infinitely stack damage if you took the time to do it. People didn't get to abuse this one like the Chen Roshan one =x

http://i.imgur.com/uC5KY.jpg
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Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 11:02:37
October 20 2012 11:00 GMT
#25788
What rapier bug? I can't find anything on it. I see that it gives you absurd damage, but how?
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 20 2012 11:28 GMT
#25789
On October 20 2012 20:00 Incze wrote:
What rapier bug? I can't find anything on it. I see that it gives you absurd damage, but how?


Involves a death, rebuy, and lots of picking/dropping item.
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RichardHag
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23 Posts
October 20 2012 13:13 GMT
#25790
Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry...........
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
October 20 2012 13:22 GMT
#25791
On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote:
Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry...........

150 damage multiplied by lv4 jinada becomes 337.5 damage. That's basically throwing a second shuriken, or just getting a dagon. The idea is to do huge nuke damage, picking off supports and carries before they grow big, and getting farmed yourself. Personally, I don't like it because it doesn't give you much sustained teamfight potential, but the item is NOT for that anyway. If you're getting shadowblade and trying to initiate 5v5 fights, you're doing it wrong.

On a separate note, shadowblade is semi-cost efficient. 30dmg 30aspd for 3k gold.. (almost) 30 agil for an agil hero (better than a eaglesong) or 300 more expensive than 3 quarterstaffs.
=Þ
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
October 20 2012 14:05 GMT
#25792
I like how regularly guys that are totally clueless comment on how lothars bh is useless.

I was clueless once too, but I took the time to look up how people with thousands of posts can be serious about that. Don´t be quick to judge, Dota isn´t an intuitive game. It´s more like alchemy. You try stuff out and sometimes you make gold out of cow dung and bricks.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 20 2012 14:10 GMT
#25793
On October 20 2012 23:05 Mataza wrote:
Dota isn´t an intuitive game. It´s more like alchemy. You try stuff out and sometimes you make gold out of cow dung and bricks.



Please let me put that in my sig
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 15:22:12
October 20 2012 15:13 GMT
#25794
On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote:
Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry...........

look at this graph

[image loading]

gg

Its 405 damage with Jinada on your next hit, not 150. That is almost ~600 damage with level 4 jinada on your target. You will almost literally 1-shot supports/low hp heroes like SF or Weaver.

relevant

https://dotabuff.com/matches/44691145

credits to the man

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089.
WriterXiao8~~
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
October 20 2012 15:24 GMT
#25795
On October 20 2012 17:30 pap0t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 17:26 [17]Purple wrote:
I remember Merlini more for his jungling BM, does that make me weird?


NO! that would make you old?

hihihihi!.. i think he was the first person to actually make jungling viable



He was the first person to make pull/stack jungling viable. There were other heroes who jungled before Merlini's BM.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 20 2012 15:43 GMT
#25796
On October 21 2012 00:13 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 22:13 RichardHag wrote:
Why does no one understand that no, shadowblade is not the most damage, the 150 crit is ONLY good in the early game, it does not scale like a deso will, since the more damage you get the better the -armor becomes. Not only that but Lothar doesn't benefit the rest of your team whereas deso is a going to massively increase the damage output of your carry...........

look at this graph

[image loading]

gg

Its 405 damage with Jinada on your next hit, not 150. That is almost ~600 damage with level 4 jinada on your target. You will almost literally 1-shot supports/low hp heroes like SF or Weaver.

relevant

https://dotabuff.com/matches/44691145

credits to the man

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369089.

Wheres gg branch ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
October 20 2012 15:45 GMT
#25797
GG branch gives 56 damage for 3k gold +/-. (Assuming unlimited item slots)
It doesn't beat lothars in burst.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
October 20 2012 15:50 GMT
#25798
That's with nothing but the item in your inventory? Someone should do the math of when Deso passes Lothars.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
October 20 2012 16:00 GMT
#25799
Deso should never pass lothars http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot (1-( 0.06 * (x-6) ) / (1 + 0.06 * (x-6))) * (60* 2.25) = (1-( 0.06 * (x) ) / (1 + 0.06 * (x))) * (30 + 150) * 2.25 0<x<1000

That is only for positive armor values though
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 16:04:28
October 20 2012 16:04 GMT
#25800
your x is armor and doesn't take into account base damage, the effect of deso on red numbers is about equal after the first rapier passes that of lothars once u get your second rapier
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
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