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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:45 Judicator wrote: Are you really comparing Blink to Empowering Haste? Your post also suggests that you really don't understand Bara's problems. no... i'm comparing your ridiculous arguments to other ridiculous arguments... | ||
blahz0r
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:44 PrinceXizor wrote: Nevermind. you guys have reached the critical mass of absurd counter arguments, if yango wants to talk to me about offlane bara he's reasonable, but i'm done trying to explain somethign to a wall of "but if's" On September 19 2012 08:45 TheYango wrote: Basically we're at the point where you're using Nether Strike as a Primal Roar that has 200 less range, moves you into the enemy team, does less damage, and doesn't have the AoE effect for teamfights. I think we're done. quick edit because Yango also has this absurd argument like the rest of us! | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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blahz0r
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Kaal
Djibouti2585 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:47 N3rV[Green] wrote: All it comes down to is there are heroes that offlane FAR better than bara, and he's useless without items which is exactly what you don't want on your offlaner. Also "very high matchmaking" is still trashcan pubbers compared to competitive dota. Proof: Blahz0r is in very high matchmaking. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:48 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: quick edit because Yango also has this absurd argument like the rest of us! no that argument is completely different than "he's bad because if he gets stunned until death he's useless, which applies to every hero except MAYBE tidehunter because kracken shell can let him ulti in certain situations. EDIT: as for what yango said. nether strike is similar to primal roar except it allows for longer stuns at lvl 6, has 200 less range moves you into the target(who may or may not be in the middle of an enemy team) does the same or more damage 150+25+basic attack damage at level 6 compared to 200 damage and 350+100+basic attack damage at 16 compared to 300. , and doesn't have an aoe effect until aghanims | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:49 Kaal wrote: Proof: Blahz0r is in very high matchmaking. =x | ||
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paper
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:46 PrinceXizor wrote: no... i'm comparing your ridiculous arguments to other ridiculous arguments... Please explain what is ridiculous. You realize this hero wasnt used at high levels ( the ihs) even when his charge gave immunity right? You realize the issues everyone brought up has been known since like 6.27 in Dota 1 right? You realize the situations that people described are fairly common issues at the PUB level let alone within the high skill communities, right? | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Please dont PM me. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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hooahah
3752 Posts
first game: 3-20 by the 10 minute mark, ensue finger pointing and general crying by everyone, buying 10 couriers and sending them all off to die etc. 3 guys abandon, enemy team start farming for some reason isntead of finishing the game. second game immediately afterwards: 20-4 15 minutes in, really nice, friendly team. Even the other team went "gg wp" The Dota 2 playerbase can be so polar | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
these familiar waters | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:50 PrinceXizor wrote: EDIT: as for what yango said. nether strike is similar to primal roar except it allows for longer stuns at lvl 6, has 200 less range moves you into the target(who may or may not be in the middle of an enemy team) does the same or more damage 150+25+basic attack damage at level 6 compared to 200 damage and 350+100+basic attack damage at 16 compared to 300. , and doesn't have an aoe effect until aghanims So you're going to compare the damage purely from Roar to the damage of Bara's full combo and pretend Beastmaster doesn't have Axes? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:51 Judicator wrote: Please explain what is ridiculous. You realize this hero wasnt used at high levels ( the ihs) even when his charge gave immunity right? You realize the issues everyone brought up has been known since like 6.27 in Dota 1 right? You realize the situations that people described are fairly common issues at the PUB level let alone within the high skill communities, right? it's ridiculous to claim a hero is useless because if he gets chained stunned he doesn't do anything. like i was responding to when i said that. and to further expound on that i said that the same scenario applies to antimage, if he gets stunned into death he's just as useless as bara. On September 19 2012 08:57 TheYango wrote: So you're going to compare the damage purely from Roar to the damage of Bara's full combo and pretend Beastmaster doesn't have Axes? No... the full combo would include more than 1 basic attack.. Baras nether strike does the 150 bonus damage on top of a basic attack that guarantee bashes. so the 1 spell procs three damage effects, bash damage (only 25 at lvl 1 bash) basic attack damage (whatever the damage is at exactly) and the 150 bonus damage. if you click nether strike click enemy with a shift queued move command after, that is how much damage it would do, if you click primal roar click enemy with a shift queued move command after thats how much damage it would do. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 19 2012 08:57 TheYango wrote: So you're going to compare the damage purely from Roar to the damage of Bara's full combo and pretend Beastmaster doesn't have Axes? Also, stupid ass ancient stacking,birdie, boar, great meka carrier. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
Also, single target 150 damage + greater bash + a physical attack is a sad amount of damage/stun for an ulti. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
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