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crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
February 16 2010 20:54 GMT
#1721
i have no idea how to go about comparing graphics cards. there doesnt' seem to be set criteria of measurements that you can compare graphics cards with. it's just "oh this name is ok" "that one is really good".

i have a EVGA 8400 GS, which i think isn't that great (i got it for 5 dollars including tax, after rebate YES), but all my other stuff like speed, ram, gets 7.9 experience rating, so i'm only worried about my graphics card.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 16 2010 20:54 GMT
#1722
On February 17 2010 05:45 FragKrag wrote:
Looks like a very solid build, but remember to check the voltages on the A-Data memory. If I remember right, they love to overvolt their RAM to settings like 1.7V on default ><

It should be fine since the P7P55D has memOK (i think?), but watch out because anything higher than 1.65V on ram can hurt your CPU.

thanks, good to know, fortunately it's only 1.5V according to it's official website
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/product_show.php?ProductNo=AD31333U

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A-DATA’s DDR3 1333 Unbuffered-DIMM module conforms to JEDEC standards. Using IC with 128Mx8 device / FBGA packaging, DDR3 1333 Unbuffered-DIMM is available in a choice of two memory capacity: 1GB or 2GB. The high stability of DDR3 1333 Unbuffered-DIMM makes it an ideal choice for PC users.

Compare to DDR2 module which working voltage up to 1.8V, A-DATA’s new DDR3 module uses rather low working voltage of 1.5V, making it possible to reduce power loss by around 30% and become an environmental friendly product.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 21:37:18
February 16 2010 20:59 GMT
#1723
* Operating system:Windows 2.5.1.2600 (SP 3)
* CPU type:AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200
* CPU Speed (GHz):2.713
* System memory (GB):3.249
* Graphics card model:NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
* Graphics card driver:nv4_disp.dll
* Desktop resolution:1440x900

I'm guessing this will run SC2 on low-mid settings?
Is there any specific part in my set-up that should be upgraded, like a bottleneck or w/e?

edit: thanks FragKrag!
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 16 2010 20:59 GMT
#1724
On February 17 2010 05:52 Darkn3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2010 05:40 emucxg wrote:
Im planning to buy these, I hope it can run with max settings and highest resolution

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm not an expert but that PSU seems pretty low...

really? I though it's enough = =
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-16 21:12:12
February 16 2010 21:06 GMT
#1725
Well, a 5770 setup with an i5 oc'd to 3.8ghz uses around 210W when in load according to Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-4.html

However, if you're feeling like it's not enough, go for a 450W or 500W Antec. They should be around the price of the Corsair since Corsair loves to overprice their PSUs (I love Corsair anyways though). Maybe you can find another 80 plus certified PSU.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
February 16 2010 21:10 GMT
#1726
Puoso, that should run it on High at that resolution. If there was one thing you could improve, it would be the processor, but I think that would require you to purchase a new motherboard because I don't think there are many options available to AM2 motherboards.

crabapple, that is indeed a sorry video card :p. However, there are 'standard' measurements when it comes to video cards. Benchmarks are the best way to see how a video card will perform.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
February 16 2010 21:12 GMT
#1727
On February 17 2010 06:06 FragKrag wrote:
Well, a 5770 setup with an i5 oc'd to 3.8ghz uses around 210W when in load according to Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446-4.html



Oh well that's the expert! So I guess you're good to go! ^^ My video card said 600w, I think. oO
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
February 16 2010 21:21 GMT
#1728
yeah because the 5850 is fat :>
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
February 16 2010 21:23 GMT
#1729
On February 17 2010 06:21 FragKrag wrote:
yeah because the 5850 is fat :>


LOL
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 16 2010 21:29 GMT
#1730
thanks FragKrag and Darkn3ss
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
February 16 2010 23:54 GMT
#1731
Who wants to throw me an i5 set up in the $600-800 price range (1k total budget, extra $200-400 is for the monitor)?? Gaming will be 90% of the usage
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-17 00:01:39
February 17 2010 00:00 GMT
#1732
Does that include operating system?
What resolution are you playing at?
How upgradeable do you want the computer?
Does it include peripherals (CD drives, keyboard, mouse)
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-17 00:11:52
February 17 2010 00:08 GMT
#1733
DVD/CDrom drive required, he has a nice keyboard/mouse already. Yes, OS included (Windows 7 preferably). The resolution will depend on what the best setup will be as far as what monitor is affordable after the system, and what monitor/resolution will be best for the GPU bought. He didn't specify for upgrades but if it isn't too expensive, might as well make it i7 compatible with 2 pcie x16 slots so he can go that route if he wants to (upgrading the CPU or going SLI/crossfire). Also for GPU, something directx11 if possible. Sorry if this seems like too much!

edit: I guess the best way to say it is this: I have a friend who is looking for THE fastest, most gaming/performance efficient system he can get with a nice monitor/OS for 1k or under.
Only three things he has that will carry over to this new system will be his wireless mouse/keyboard, and his speakers.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
February 17 2010 00:11 GMT
#1734
It'll be cutting it close, i5 750 is practically $300 gone just with cpu and ram, toss in mobo and it is almost 400, and OS another 100 to 500 and all sorts of stuff will definitely break 750+, are you in the US or actually at Seychelles?
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-17 00:13:21
February 17 2010 00:12 GMT
#1735
On February 17 2010 09:11 Ecael wrote:
It'll be cutting it close, i5 750 is practically $300 gone just with cpu and ram, toss in mobo and it is almost 400, and OS another 100 to 500 and all sorts of stuff will definitely break 750+, are you in the US or actually at Seychelles?


I am in actuality located in the United States, as is my friend

Just to clarify again, it doesn't even necessarily have to be i5 750. I just used my limited knowledge to assume that that would be the target CPU for the sort of setup I am looking for
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
February 17 2010 00:18 GMT
#1736
What is the point of upgrading to i7 after getting an i5...? All you get is hyperthreading which is useless in gaming anyways.

It is going to be impossible to get 2 pcie x16 slots with an i5 because of the limitation of the chipsets themselves. Add a second graphics card and that x16 gets split in half, 8 for each gpu.

That said, it is going to be impossible to build a satisfactory computer which can upgrade to a crossfire/SLi setup for under $1000. I can fit an i5 build into $800, but he probably isn't going to like it.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
February 17 2010 00:23 GMT
#1737
On February 17 2010 09:18 FragKrag wrote:
What is the point of upgrading to i7 after getting an i5...? All you get is hyperthreading which is useless in gaming anyways.

It is going to be impossible to get 2 pcie x16 slots with an i5 because of the limitation of the chipsets themselves. Add a second graphics card and that x16 gets split in half, 8 for each gpu.

That said, it is going to be impossible to build a satisfactory computer which can upgrade to a crossfire/SLi setup for under $1000. I can fit an i5 build into $800, but he probably isn't going to like it.


So forget about the upgrade. I said that upgrading would only be an option if it were cheap enough, which it obviously won't be. And once again to reiterate, it doesn't have to be an i5. Just the fastest system you think you could setup with the monitor/OS for 1k
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-17 00:47:47
February 17 2010 00:41 GMT
#1738
+ Show Spoiler [i3 build] +
CD Drive $18.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031

4GB DDR3 OCZ 1333 RAM $91.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227479

Windows 7 64 Bit Home Premium $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Antec 200 Case $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129070

MSI motherboard mATX $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130253

Cooler Master 500W $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031

WD Caviar Blue 640 GB $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

AMD/ATi 5750 $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121356

Intel i3 3.06ghz $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115221


It's the base build. It comes out to approximately $750.

That $50 can upgrade the graphics card to the 5770, or you can choose to upgrade the i3 processor to the i5 of your choice. I'm not 100% sold on the reliability of the OCZ RAM, but if you don't trust it, there is GSkill DDR3 RAM for $13 more.

In my opinion, he should upgrade the RAM and the 5750 for the best performance, but that's his decision.

GSkill Ripjaws 4GB DDR3 $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

Edit: Some justifications:

The CD drive I skimped because CD media is dead for the most part. Just need one that functions imo. The Antec 200 is a nice solid case, budget version of the Antec 300. I really hate mATX motherboards, but the MSI motherboard seemed to have some good reviews, and MSI is a decent company when it comes to motherboards. The Coolermaster is just a cheap 500W PSU with decent reviews. The 640GB hdd supposedly outperforms most other hard drives on the market. If the Samsung F3 500GB Spinpoint was still in stock, I would have chosen the F3.

As for the graphics and the cpu, The 5750 is a decent performer for its price, and one of the cheaper DX11 options available. As for i3 vs i5, the only thing that the 2nd gen i5 has over the i3 is TurboBoost. The i3 is a perfectly capable competitor and has hyperthreading. It is also very overclocking friendly, and reaches decently high speeds on stock cooling and volts.

Oh and just another recommendation: With his budget I'd definitely go for an Athlon II setup.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
DanceDance
Profile Joined November 2008
226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-17 00:55:12
February 17 2010 00:54 GMT
#1739
On February 17 2010 05:54 crabapple wrote:
i have no idea how to go about comparing graphics cards. there doesnt' seem to be set criteria of measurements that you can compare graphics cards with. it's just "oh this name is ok" "that one is really good".

i have a EVGA 8400 GS, which i think isn't that great (i got it for 5 dollars including tax, after rebate YES), but all my other stuff like speed, ram, gets 7.9 experience rating, so i'm only worried about my graphics card.


You would most likely be able to play it on low-medium settings with that graphics card. What are the rest of your computer specs (CPU, RAM, Screen Resolution)?
I'd suggest a 5750 which you can get for around $140.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
February 17 2010 00:56 GMT
#1740
it depends on his resolution 100%
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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