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I'm curious about whether certain prescription drugs can alter your play.
I took an Adderall earlier for assistance in working on a philosophy term paper. I'm sure anyone who's ever taken Ritalin or Adderall or any similar stimulant understands how it affects your thinking and focusing. Your thoughts become much more streamlined and efficient. Your focus becomes much sharper, and whatever you're focusing on becomes easier to absorb.
I'm wondering if it has any relevant and noticeable effects on playing a game that would require as much mental focus and dexterity as SC.
Does anyone have any first-hand experience with this? I've only taken such drugs for the sake of pulling through school-related things in clutch situations...
(...as you can see, it's not helping all that dramatically in focusing me on this essay...-____-;; )
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starcraft and pain pills = fun times then zzz
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I've played starcraft while heavily intoxicated on alcohol, marijuana and both at the same time. Probably some of the silliest replays I have.
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Some pro halo players use adderall to help their play.
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lol adderral will definatly imrpove you in starcraft, you will be faster in every aspect.
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Lol, next thing KESPA will be drug testing before every match
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Well they are performance enhancing drugs...
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On December 12 2008 15:27 nataziel wrote:
Lol, next thing KESPA will be drug testing before every match
I actually think this is a good idea. Concentration drugs obviously give an unfair advantage, but iono if testing is practical.
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On December 12 2008 15:22 FREEloss_ca wrote:
I've played starcraft while heavily intoxicated on alcohol, marijuana and both at the same time. Probably some of the silliest replays I have.
Seriously...
One time I was pissed drunk and proxy 2 raxed just outside their choke...-_____-;;
His probe scouted it coming out of his base in a straight line. T_T
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A couple of the better players I know have used ritalin, adderall, or some other sort of speed to go from C+ level to B+ level permanently.
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To OP: Can you explain exactly what happens when you take Adderall/Ritalin? I have never taken drugs on purpose without actually needing them, how does it improve thinking?
My brother did that to study for hours and hours without eating/sleeping, I thought it was amazing.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
On December 12 2008 17:31 Equinox_kr wrote:
To OP: Can you explain exactly what happens when you take Adderall/Ritalin? I have never taken drugs on purpose without actually needing them, how does it improve thinking?
My brother did that to study for hours and hours without eating/sleeping, I thought it was amazing.
it's a stimulant. think of it being somewhere between coffee and cocaine. usually it's prescribed for people with focus issues in school or work but lots of other people will take it if they have to focus really hard for a few hours.
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Sounds interesting. Are there any side effects? How do I get hold of it, since I haven't got any doctor's prescription?
EDIT: I'm not particularly interested in it's effect on SC, but rather on studying, since 2000 pages of law theory are lying ahead of me..
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On December 12 2008 15:31 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Well they are performance enhancing drugs...
I think aspirins would show up the most on drugs they take considering they must all suffer from join pains after awhile.
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On December 12 2008 17:31 Equinox_kr wrote:
To OP: Can you explain exactly what happens when you take Adderall/Ritalin? I have never taken drugs on purpose without actually needing them, how does it improve thinking?
My brother did that to study for hours and hours without eating/sleeping, I thought it was amazing.
On December 12 2008 17:35 MyLostTemple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 17:31 Equinox_kr wrote:
To OP: Can you explain exactly what happens when you take Adderall/Ritalin? I have never taken drugs on purpose without actually needing them, how does it improve thinking?
My brother did that to study for hours and hours without eating/sleeping, I thought it was amazing. it's a stimulant. think of it being somewhere between coffee and cocaine. usually it's prescribed for people with focus issues in school or work but lots of other people will take it if they have to focus really hard for a few hours.
Ritalin is somewhere between coffee and cocaine. Adderall, is likely somewhere between cocaine and meth...
The effects are subtle, but very noticeable after the fact. It helps with focusing, as Tasteless said.
Like...it sort of just sharpens your mind. Your thinking becomes much more streamlined and efficient, and things sink in naturally. When you would have had to re-read a line several times to understand it, you'll get it in one go. Like...it just becomes easier to think things through.
It also helps indescribably with focus. Whatever you're reading or doing becomes the most interesting thing out there. Distractions still distract, though. Whatever distracts you will become your new object of focus, however, and you'll be just as into that as what you were previously; however, it is easy to bounce back between multiple objects of focus. For instance, if you're studying from a textbook, and someone comes and talks to you, your focus will shift from the textbook and onto the person and whatever you're talking about. However, once you're done, and you decide to go back to the textbook, you'll be able to jump in effectively right from where you left off previously. Your focus just bottom line becomes razor sharp.
It doesn't really grant anything magical, but it sort of just helps you maximize your cognitive abilities insofar as efficiency and effectiveness goes.
As far as your brother goes, yeah. I can definitely imagine that. The thing is you kind of lose appetite, and it's a stimulant, so it definitely will keep you awake as well. Don't take one if you want to sleep that night unless you take it early in the morning.
I'm writing this all as I'm on Adderall...hehe.
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I used to take adderall so I could read faster, I read somewhere around a thousand words a minute (in a book , not computer screen) regularly after my speeding reading classes and lots of practice (compre around 80%) Well I almost closed in on 2 thousand words per minute for a 3 hour and a half period. I read over 35 books that month. I became grossly addicted and now 4 years later, I still have to drink between 2 and 8 cups of coffee a day to feel almost as awake as normal people. Burning out is a bad thing, fuck the retard who takes it one farther and uses speed aka adderal to play better broodwar ... wtf?
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Oh yea, I beat one pro gamer, 1 international gamer and won 40 games in a row in 1 day on adderal.
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adderall is the miracle drug. if you do not have heavy ADD it lasts twelve hours and during that time you can get amazing amounts of stuff done without ever losing focus. it also forces you to do something or you will go crazy.. also you cannot possibly sleep until about ten hours after you take it. there is no comedown
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I stopped playing while drunk because it was just stupid and wasn't even that fun. I love to play when I'm high though.
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Playing drunk is awesome when you're still beating down b.net pubbers and nub friends to a pulp while you can't even sit straight...heh.
On December 12 2008 19:34 AttackZerg wrote:
I used to take adderall so I could read faster, I read somewhere around a thousand words a minute (in a book , not computer screen) regularly after my speeding reading classes and lots of practice (compre around 80%) Well I almost closed in on 2 thousand words per minute for a 3 hour and a half period. I read over 35 books that month. I became grossly addicted and now 4 years later, I still have to drink between 2 and 8 cups of coffee a day to feel almost as awake as normal people. Burning out is a bad thing, fuck the retard who takes it one farther and uses speed aka adderal to play better broodwar ... wtf?
hehe. I have to agree. Unless one has a starleague grand final on the line, I would definitely think it unwise to take any kind of prescription med so trivially. Long term use has been shown to cause dependency, so...yeah.
I posed the question out of a hypothetical curiosity. As much as I love SC, both the competitive pro scene and playing it myself, I really don't think it would be worth going through the hassle and pain in the wallet to continue to continually acquire some. It's not worth it when all I have on the line on iccup is my pride.
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I've heard Viagra helps making your e-penis longer...
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Adderall + SC is fun. I've taken Adderall and played SC a few times. It's pretty intense, you really get into the game and try like a mofo. APM is usually in my upper ranger if not +20 extra.
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how can u get this adderall and ritalin stuff ?
Or how did all of u get it ??
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On December 12 2008 21:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
how can u get this adderall and ritalin stuff ?
Or how did all of u get it ??
i also want to know.
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On December 12 2008 21:41 Carkling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 21:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
how can u get this adderall and ritalin stuff ?
Or how did all of u get it ??
i also want to know.
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People with ADD or ADHD sometimes cut down on their dosages and sell some of their stuff is what i've heard. There are probably lots of other ways to get it too.
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On December 12 2008 19:35 AttackZerg wrote:
Oh yea, I beat one pro gamer, 1 international gamer and won 40 games in a row in 1 day on adderal.
Okay, so I am missing the whole "drugs are bad" lesson from this. hmm, TL definitely doesn't belong on any of the Truth commercials.
Edit: To those wondering where to get it, have a younger sibling with ADD. Personally, my girlfriend has ADD and takes Aderal as a prescription, I would never fuck around with it but thats just me. If you go to college you can probably find it relatively easily. Just ask around a little bit and I am sure you can find someone who is selling them.
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I believe this has already been discussed several times..I do know everyone reacts differently to speed but in my case I can't sit behind a pc while "high" unless im high off pain/anxiety pills or THC...I really don't think it's much cheating b/c either way it comes back to the other player and the skills they have IMO. Well thats my .2 cents.
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[QUOTE]On December 12 2008 21:53 1sd2sd3sd wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2008 21:41 Carkling wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2008 21:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
how can u get this adderall and ritalin stuff ?
Or how did all of u get it ??
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i also want to know.[/QUOTE]
Got 2 friends with scripts that usually gives me em for free or for like a bit of weed. So pretty much free but i havnt done the stuff in like 7-8 months or so, great drug if not abused. Mix of coke and E, can get pretty intense and cause your eyes to shake if you take a little to much. You also wont sleep or eat that day.
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To everyone who asked how to get it...I will be brief and ambiguous, as I don't know what TL's policies are concerning information on actually acquiring things illegally...
The only way in the US to legally acquire prescription meds such as Adderall or Ritalin is to get a prescription from a certified psychiatrist.
To obtain it any other way is illegal, and so would have to be acquired by the same means you would acquire any other controlled substance. I'll let you fill in the rest yourselves.
On December 12 2008 21:57 Xiberia wrote:
People with ADD or ADHD sometimes cut down on their dosages and sell some of their stuff is what i've heard. There are probably lots of other ways to get it too.
Just to clarify...there is no longer such a thing as ADD. Some time ago (I think it's been nearly ten years now), they combined ADD and ADHD into one disorder: ADHD. The acronym remains Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, but they have developed different variations of ADHD that you can be diagnosed with.
ADD no longer exists.
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Norway28665 Posts
adderal would almost certainly make you play better
doing it to improve your play unless you happen to already be like a progamer would be pretty ridiculous tho, there _are_ side effects. ;p
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I played SC on acid once. I started the game just fine, it felt like everything was coming together perfectly and I was going to win. Then all of the sudden he attacks me and I notice I have gone 3 gate goon against a Zerg... I also like to play Terran when i am really really stoned, I just wall in and build wraiths or some cheesy shit.
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This raises an interesting question, do KeSPA have rules against Adderall and even caffeine? Sometimes after drinking coca cola I can play a bit faster and react quicker (mainly for counter strike before a clan war) lol. anyone got any ideas?
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On December 12 2008 21:41 Carkling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 21:40 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
how can u get this adderall and ritalin stuff ?
Or how did all of u get it ??
i also want to know.
Find a friend that has ADD and ask him. Or go to a doctor and convince him you have really bad ADD.
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I don't think it's clever to use drugs for Starcraft. Even if it helps you can't use it forever!
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I've taken a bit of adderall over these last 2 and a 1/2 weeks to do papers and while I really only played once while on it (cuz i was writing papers for like 12 hours straight the other times ;p) and everything was much easier to manage. Base macro was better and my brain would plan things out in advance in greater detail.
On December 12 2008 19:34 AttackZerg wrote:
I used to take adderall so I could read faster, I read somewhere around a thousand words a minute (in a book , not computer screen) regularly after my speeding reading classes and lots of practice (compre around 80%) Well I almost closed in on 2 thousand words per minute for a 3 hour and a half period. I read over 35 books that month. I became grossly addicted and now 4 years later, I still have to drink between 2 and 8 cups of coffee a day to feel almost as awake as normal people. Burning out is a bad thing, fuck the retard who takes it one farther and uses speed aka adderal to play better broodwar ... wtf?
pffft what kinda read uses it to read over a book a day! clearly BW would have been a better investment in your time ;p
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On December 12 2008 17:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
A couple of the better players I know have used ritalin, adderall, or some other sort of speed to go from C+ level to B+ level permanently.
I don't believe this.
I seriously don't.
First off, you would either have to improve your build orders, timing, and so many other things to make that large a shift. Your hand speed and micro doesn't increase by popping a pill or two.
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On December 13 2008 05:17 capek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 17:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
A couple of the better players I know have used ritalin, adderall, or some other sort of speed to go from C+ level to B+ level permanently. I don't believe this. I seriously don't. First off, you would either have to improve your build orders, timing, and so many other things to make that large a shift. Your hand speed and micro doesn't increase by popping a pill or two.
you should try for yourself! 
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Oh, i think now i know how Flash developed his near-flawless mechanics and his twitches. 
Seriously though if it doesn't give bad permanent side-effect i don't see anything bad in pros taking them, more exciting games, Savior's vigor is back, etc
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On December 13 2008 05:17 capek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 17:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
A couple of the better players I know have used ritalin, adderall, or some other sort of speed to go from C+ level to B+ level permanently. I don't believe this. I seriously don't. First off, you would either have to improve your build orders, timing, and so many other things to make that large a shift. Your hand speed and micro doesn't increase by popping a pill or two.
No, seriously, have you ever tried adderall? It's dextroamphetamine and amphetamine. Speed.
If you can theorycraft well, have experience, but don't have the mechanics - which is like half of TL.net - everything just comes together.
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On December 12 2008 15:22 FREEloss_ca wrote:
I've played starcraft while heavily intoxicated on alcohol, marijuana and both at the same time. Probably some of the silliest replays I have.
I remember playing high a couple of times and drunk a couple of time. I vaguely remember that I felt like I was playing better, but that just might have been the alcohol talking.
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On December 12 2008 19:35 AttackZerg wrote:
Oh yea, I beat one pro gamer, 1 international gamer and won 40 games in a row in 1 day on adderal.
Then post the reps.
AttackZerg's possible responses:
.6% "I was so 'in the zone' I didn't even think of saving it!"
.2% "I would, but I recalibrated my softdisk and all my reps were lost! Darn!"
.2% "Me and the progamers have a good relationship, and I don't want to spoil their proleague builds; THREE WORDS: 1) LURKERS 2) IN 3) BUNKERS.
99% "How about this I tell you to go fuck yourself. I don't know you, you aren't even a real member here, just a complete asshole posting in a drug thread.
100% chance of telling you to eat a dick.
Of course I save reps.
I will not do you the honor of watching my sick timing senses."
0% "NP. Click link."
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On December 13 2008 06:33 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 19:35 AttackZerg wrote:
Oh yea, I beat one pro gamer, 1 international gamer and won 40 games in a row in 1 day on adderal. Then post the reps. AttackZerg's possible responses: 33% "I was so 'in the zone' I didn't even think of saving it!" 33% "I would, but I recalibrated my softdisk and all my reps were lost! Darn!" 33% "Me and the progamers have a good relationship, and I don't want to spoil their proleague builds; THREE WORDS: 1) LURKERS 2) IN 3) BUNKERS. 1% "NP. Click link."
How about this I tell you to go fuck yourself. I don't know you, you aren't even a real member here, just a complete asshole posting in a drug thread.
100% chance of telling you to eat a dick.
Of course I save reps.
I will not do you the honor of watching my sick timing senses.
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well being a premed student i can give you the breakdown:
Basically you can think of any of these two drugs as a stimulant. Basically the active chemical in both of these drugs is some type of amphetamine salts. If your thinking meth then yes, it is in a way like meth, or cocaine.
Amphetamines increase your metabolism, this is why in the 1950's it was prescribed as a weight loss supplement.
What really is attractive to gamers that this drug can provide is this: Norepinephrine
In short Norepinephrine will help to simulate a "fight or flight" response in the body. Adrenalin kicks in, higher pulse, quicker reaction time, higher BP Temp, ext. (basically an increase in your metabolism)
I have taken adderal when i used to play halo 2 competitively. Because of your increased metabolism, your body is running at full peak. Sniping was hilariously easy, and i would always get first shot.
However, because of my use for about 4+ years i am now a chronic insomniac. Also (although this may or may not be related) i have jaundice in my eyes, and unless i stay really really hydrated, it can be rather noticeable. From what i understand it is an imbalance of a few enzymes and a slight buildup of bile in my liver. Nothing live threatening of course, but meh.
As for side effects:
Basically when you take adderal or for that matter any stimulant your brain makes a TON of serotonin and dopamine. These two "chemicals" are the feel good, alert, happy ext. type of chemicals that your brain produces.
Study's show that after long term use, dependence is possible. After a time your brain can literally stop making serotonin and dopamine. This can cause radical mood swings, and generally can make you very unstable (mentaly).
Kidney failure is possible. If that happens to you, well lets just say that your chance of living is rather slim. 
* Stomach Ache[6]
* Dry mouth[6]
* Loss of appetite[6]
* Difficulty falling asleep[6]
* Weight loss[6]
* Extreme Irritability[6]
* Extreme Mood Swings[6]
* Unpleasant taste in mouth[6]
* Severe Headaches[6]
* Muscle and Joint pain [6]
* Euphoria [6]
* Depression [6]
* Hyperactivity [6]
* Delusions [6]
* Hallucinations [6]
Also the above. Notice that all of the mood disorders are related to the lack of serotonin and dopamine production of the brain.
So really taking stimulants while enhancing performance, could lead you to (a few years down the road) becoming rather unstable, (mentally)
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I inject heroine into my toes everytime when I am waiting for larva
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Drugs are banned from mainstream sports not because they give you an "unfair" advantage but because they cause you bodily harm and no respected organization would allow it. To allow it would be to endorse self mutilation in order to get ahead. If there is no bodily harm associated with the drug in discussion then there is no reason for any organization to ban their use. The idea is the same as not all diets are equal. The Vegans could argue that the meat eaters have an unfair adv in football, it makes them strong, faster, more agile and their brain functions better; therefore ban meat eating from football. That example is absurd and so would banning any substance that benefits ones wellbeing.
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Adderall definitely enhances your play.
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On December 12 2008 17:35 MyLostTemple wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 17:31 Equinox_kr wrote:
To OP: Can you explain exactly what happens when you take Adderall/Ritalin? I have never taken drugs on purpose without actually needing them, how does it improve thinking?
My brother did that to study for hours and hours without eating/sleeping, I thought it was amazing. it's a stimulant. think of it being somewhere between coffee and cocaine. usually it's prescribed for people with focus issues in school or work but lots of other people will take it if they have to focus really hard for a few hours.
What he didn't add is if you DON'T have ADD/ADHD it works as speed does on a normal person. In other words, without the actual disorder you're just getting a huge energy boost. There are so many people that pop Adderal before football games or any other sporting event simply to get the rush.
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some top players take it from time to time before tournaments 
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I have ADD and I take Adderall. It's all good.
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I'm sure adderal helps to play on low dosage. Still it has side effects just like any other amphetamines, so if your goal is to permanently improve your focus you should try meditation. It's a lot healthier and your not dependent on some drug
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I think steroids would be of greater benefit in SC. The penis shrinkage is proportional to the amount of skill you gain.
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Somehow I'm having a comedown from the adderall...I took a pill and a half last night, didn't sleep for 36+ hours, and I havent eaten anything for more than 30 hours...
After a while, I started feeling neurotic with the lack of sleep compounding with the stimulating effects.
I'm gonna avoid that shit until my next set of finals...-____-;;
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On December 12 2008 15:22 FREEloss_ca wrote:
I've played starcraft while heavily intoxicated on alcohol, marijuana and both at the same time. Probably some of the silliest replays I have.
I want to have those replays!
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huh...i should try it out during finals week then.
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On December 14 2008 12:58 SIUnit wrote:
huh...i should try it out during finals week then.
How about don't.
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Have you guys ever heard of.... Willpower?
It is like drugs, but you don't get addicted, it has NO bad side effects and it is actually beneficial. You don't smoke it, pop it in your mouth, inject it, or drink it. You just think really hard about wanting to do something and then you go do it. Then after it is all said and done you can look back on it and say I AM A BADASS. This increases your self-esteem making it easier to use willpower. Willpower is free as well. STOP BEING SO FUCKING STUPID, YOU STUPID LAZY FUCK.
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Ivanchuk is risking 2 years suspension because he refused to undergo the doping test.
Beta blockers are banned in chess and bridge. Go is not with the wada, I think. I bet poker also has no doping regulations. Donno about ritalin and adderall. But I also remember if you drink too much coffee you can test positive on caffeine. No red bull and stuff. (edit: WADA removed caffeine in 2004)
I know musicians sometimes take beta blockers for nerves. It's apparently wide spread among symphony orchestras and the solists.
If you don't ban and enforce this stuff you give people who sacrifice their health by using medicine an advantage. And if you ban it it's just cheating on top of that.
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On December 12 2008 19:36 Hypnosis wrote:
adderall is the miracle drug. if you do not have heavy ADD it lasts twelve hours and during that time you can get amazing amounts of stuff done without ever losing focus. it also forces you to do something or you will go crazy.. also you cannot possibly sleep until about ten hours after you take it. there is no comedown
MIRACLE DRUG? WHERE CAN I GET?
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On December 14 2008 13:33 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Have you guys ever heard of.... Willpower?
It is like drugs, but you don't get addicted, it has NO bad side effects and it is actually beneficial. You don't smoke it, pop it in your mouth, inject it, or drink it. You just think really hard about wanting to do something and then you go do it. Then after it is all said and done you can look back on it and say I AM A BADASS. This increases your self-esteem making it easier to use willpower. Willpower is free as well. STOP BEING SO FUCKING STUPID, YOU STUPID LAZY FUCK.
You CLEARLY have not tried adderall. Fuckin nub
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There is a reason why BACCHUS sponsored OSL. Support starcraft sponsor if you wanna do game enhancing drug!! BACCHUS OSL FTW!
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On December 14 2008 15:25 Hypnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 13:33 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Have you guys ever heard of.... Willpower?
It is like drugs, but you don't get addicted, it has NO bad side effects and it is actually beneficial. You don't smoke it, pop it in your mouth, inject it, or drink it. You just think really hard about wanting to do something and then you go do it. Then after it is all said and done you can look back on it and say I AM A BADASS. This increases your self-esteem making it easier to use willpower. Willpower is free as well. STOP BEING SO FUCKING STUPID, YOU STUPID LAZY FUCK. You CLEARLY have not tried adderall. Fuckin nub
rofl yea, pretty sure there's so much willpower can do compared to some good old chemicals
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On December 14 2008 13:33 UmmTheHobo wrote:
Have you guys ever heard of.... Willpower?
It is like drugs, but you don't get addicted, it has NO bad side effects and it is actually beneficial. You don't smoke it, pop it in your mouth, inject it, or drink it. You just think really hard about wanting to do something and then you go do it. Then after it is all said and done you can look back on it and say I AM A BADASS. This increases your self-esteem making it easier to use willpower. Willpower is free as well. STOP BEING SO FUCKING STUPID, YOU STUPID LAZY FUCK.
Don't talk about shit you know nothing about...
You come across as a goody two-shoes, hypocritical asshole.
-_____-;;
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Osaka27148 Posts
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lol when I saw that you closed this I imagined you posting "This thread sucks." I cant believe I was right LOLOL
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
lolol how did i miss this.
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