According to this thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=60574), Testie was initially invited to join the CJ Entus proteam at Blizzcon, where he initially refused. After being offered another invitation, he immediately jumped onto the deal.
The quote from the blog for those lazy
Nick had received an invite to team CJ in korea after blizzcon and had kind of put that off. But after being REINVITED at WCG he accepted. Testie is 90% going to korea and signing a contract with team CJ. For me, this is a dream come true. I have always wanted to see a fully motivated/trained testie in action and I finally get to see it! Additionally, after meeting Testie I am in love with the guy. Really a nice guy, has dignity and is a classy/funny man. The good parts of him that come through online are truly who he is, minus the ego and blind logic he sometimes bolsters online. He will come here and say "ITS NOT FOR SURE!" or something but just know, this is the closest Testie has been to going and actually doing it, I think it will happen And when it does, all of us need to support and cheer him on. We as foreigners are running out of legit candidates for a non korean pro, lets make it the best we can with what we have!
On October 09 2007 18:11 FirstProbe wrote: He'll never make it far with his attitude. And I think he'll find out just how poor his mechanics are.
Testie will be an invaluable resource for 2v2 if nothing else
Lets face it. He'll make a dick of himself in front of his team, try to be rekrul, and go home empty handed (but probably having had a pretty unique experience).
This 1 person deal sucks. Not knowing the language basically makes you totally isolated. They should, at the very least, take 2 at the same time. All the progamers that actually lasted had someone else, AFAIK -- elky/grrr (plus nazgul/etc at diff times), pj/lx, assem/leggionaire (plus some other guys who knew English on Hexatron/POS). I know for a fact it made it a lot easier on them (both game improvement wise and emotionally in general) to have someone to hang out/converse with.
Maybe I'm just a girl, but going alone to a place where no one speaks English would be the most boring, stressful, irritating thing ever.
why are people being negative? Testie has a past, and its shady, however now he's a straight flying bw player, and he's a damn good one at that. 1-2 vs ra and reach. come on, somebody give him some damn credit. testie, Fight for european bw gamer! good luck if this does happen. testie fighting!
On October 09 2007 18:37 Skew wrote: This 1 person deal sucks. Not knowing the language basically makes you totally isolated. They should, at the very least, take 2 at the same time. All the progamers that actually lasted had someone else, AFAIK -- elky/grrr (plus nazgul/etc at diff times), pj/lx, assem/leggionaire (plus some other guys who knew English on Hexatron/POS). I know for a fact it made it a lot easier on them (both game improvement wise and emotionally in general) to have someone to hang out/converse with.
Maybe I'm just a girl, but going alone to a place where no one speaks English would be the most boring, stressful, irritating thing ever.
On October 09 2007 18:37 Skew wrote: This 1 person deal sucks. Not knowing the language basically makes you totally isolated. They should, at the very least, take 2 at the same time. All the progamers that actually lasted had someone else, AFAIK -- elky/grrr (plus nazgul/etc at diff times), pj/lx, assem/leggionaire (plus some other guys who knew English on Hexatron/POS). I know for a fact it made it a lot easier on them (both game improvement wise and emotionally in general) to have someone to hang out/converse with.
Maybe I'm just a girl, but going alone to a place where no one speaks English would be the most boring, stressful, irritating thing ever.
I actually think its the opposite. Having another foreigner with you might only serve as a crutch and make it harder to become part of the team. Being alone also goes a long way in learning Korean that much faster as you are forced to learn it asap. With the right mindset, after the early adjustment period I'm sure testie will get over it emotionally. Besides, I'm sure CJ will have someone that speaks at least a little english there if this happens.
I totally agree with Skew. You cant make good results when you are handicapped by living in isolation. Your character have to be reeeealy strong to survive without going nuts. Draco thought he could make it but realized that it is not worth it.
They should invite Mondi + Testie + Draco into one team but few years ago. Now the time of foreigners in pro sc:bw kor team is over.
being alone won't be a problem i think and korean isnt the most hard language in the world to learn, besides i guess they will speak some broken english too... on top of that hes not the only foreigner in korea so if he really needs other people they wont be that hard to find... The main point is just the motivation and i think this isnt really dependant of that, if you have it i'd say go for it... not many people get a chance for something like this ^_^
On October 09 2007 20:02 ZlyKiss wrote: Draco thought he could make it but realized that it is not worth it.
draco was a machine for being able to practice that much, but was he a brilliant sc mind?
testie always said one of the reasons he has a good rec vs draco is that draco doesn't know the game on as deep of a level.
in that sense, it doesn't matter how many times draco flogged the dead horse, he'd reach a certain ceilng that just won't budge. the argument with testie may be the opposite, he's got potential mentally, now he just needs to flog the horse!
edit: to support my statement, think of all the koreans that try to win courage tournaments. for most of them, they practice the same amount, yet some rise above the others. some people just have it while others don't T_T
If Testie is going to Korea to be with CJ Entus, it's a really good deal for them. Besides Much, CJ have pretty much shit all Protoss wise, so it will be a good boost for them.
That's exactly a dream come true in my opinion. Living this experience can only be a good thing for someone, even if it's hard because of the language. Can't wait to have confirmation of this "rumour".
On October 09 2007 20:02 ZlyKiss wrote: Draco thought he could make it but realized that it is not worth it.
draco was a machine for being able to practice that much, but was he a brilliant sc mind?
testie always said one of the reasons he has a good rec vs draco is that draco doesn't know the game on as deep of a level.
in that sense, it doesn't matter how many times draco flogged the dead horse, he'd reach a certain celing that just won't budge. the argument with testie may be the opposite, he's got potential mentally, now he just needs to flog the horse!
hmmm maybe youre right, im just telling what were the experiences of three last foreign pros.
Testie is a smart guy, he knows all cons/pros so IF its true im just gonna say good luck and whats more important have fun.
I'm sure whatever decision Testie makes it will be a decision of an enormous amount of thought and consideration. I hope he decides to go, because if he does I'm quite sure he will do well.
I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
I just had the thought right now that this is a hoax. When I thought about it, I was glad, but in deep thinking; beecause at WCG, Testie did absolutely horrible, 1-3'ing in the group (the forfeit win was his only win). But I suppose he was in the 'group of death'. So why would CJ jump aboard for another contract offer?
i would assume the reinvite is more based on the convenience of the cj brass and testie being at the same place at the same time (a rare thing). his results in this years group stage probably had nothing to do with the thought process involved, CJ is apparently interested in a foreigner and testie's already earned their eye in some previous going-ons that can't be erased/affected by one group stage.
sounds like some great news once we get some testie confirmation. knowing what we've seen of him in the past with limited practice, he's always held his own, even against koreans. i'd love to see him qualify for an invdividual league and duke it out for the foreigners.
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
Hahah what is it with SC players becoming Poker fanatics?
I just hope Testie does good in Korea. I hope he proves all of the negative thoughts wrong. I really like more foreigners in Korea. I wish there was a pro gaming team in Korea that had a majority of foreign players. I like Testie because of his hair. Go Testie!
On October 09 2007 21:07 GTR-2-Go wrote: I just had the thought right now that this is a hoax. When I thought about it, I was glad, but in deep thinking; beecause at WCG, Testie did absolutely horrible, 1-3'ing in the group (the forfeit win was his only win). But I suppose he was in the 'group of death'. So why would CJ jump aboard for another contract offer?
Obviously they aren't basing their offer on the event they were at. He's showed great potential at BWWI/Blizzcon/PGL even if he was loosing those matches which sparked their interest. Remember the match against bisu on Blitz X? If he was giving a good performance then at like 170 apm and practicing intermittently with DOTA and poker, imagine his potential in Korea. I'd imagine that's where they are coming from.
On October 09 2007 18:37 Skew wrote: This 1 person deal sucks. Not knowing the language basically makes you totally isolated. They should, at the very least, take 2 at the same time. All the progamers that actually lasted had someone else, AFAIK -- elky/grrr (plus nazgul/etc at diff times), pj/lx, assem/leggionaire (plus some other guys who knew English on Hexatron/POS). I know for a fact it made it a lot easier on them (both game improvement wise and emotionally in general) to have someone to hang out/converse with.
Maybe I'm just a girl, but going alone to a place where no one speaks English would be the most boring, stressful, irritating thing ever.
Testie has said before, on these very forums, that he is more consumed with poker and dota, and not as interested in StarCraft, and you can't blame him, the competitive nature of this game is dwindling fast in the foreign scene. So i really doubt testie would go to Korea to try and become a progamer, and if they invited him, it sounds possible, purely because he played pretty well against the most amazing protoss in the world, and we know his PvT was very capable of dealing with progamers, Midas was probably one of the strongest TvP players in the world last year at WCG, and testie 1:2 vs him, which isn't easy to do at all, if the maps were a little less terran, he might of been able to win. I give him props for that show on Paranoid Android though, very nice game.
In any case i really doubt he will be going to Korea, and if he dodes he might have somewhat of an impact on 2on2/proleague scenee, but he won't win a starleageu or advance far at all in any major leagues. If he goes, best of luck, if he doens't, GL in Sc2 or whatever else you may do with your life.
Also i'm waiting for the Testie post to clear this up. And on a side note, i'm kind of surprised haji didn't post in here yet.
Anyways, this is the day of the amazing gamers clashing. Dissy was very nervous and wanted to get the games rolling. I read into this as a good sign. He says he doesnt care or expect much but I know better He just says that so nobody gives him shit if he loses and is more surprised when he wins! He REALLY wanted to do well (and thank god he did!). Nick on the other hand fully didnt expect to do well and I think really didnt care. Although, this event I believe rekindled his spirit as well.
Actually i realized after i posted this that it says it "rekindled his spriit" meaning that if he got offered that, maybe he would take it, who knows?
ALRIGHT IM GOING TO READ THE ENTIRE GOD DAMN INC BLOG POST THEN EDIT THIS.
Edit: According to that hilarious inc blog, Testie was invited and theres a 90% chance he will go, i'm happy he got his motivation back, and inc i think we can all agree we need TeamLiquid INTERVENTION.
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
Hahah what is it with SC players becoming Poker fanatics?
are you asking about why we go that route, or why we're good at it? the second question kind of answers the first, so i'll just go for the 2nd question.+ Show Spoiler [offtopic] +
i'd say it's a pretty simple reason, SC players in general seem to go from computer game to computer game trying to dominate it, become the best, then move on.
a certain personality type is attracted to SC on a serious level, the very competitive type. and dedication and competitiveness is really the trademarks for what you need to succeed at an intermediary level in poker. so it's not so much that there's an SC-Poker link, just that SC players in general try to win everything, except with poker you actually get more than self-satisfaction for winning, you also get the $ that any aging SC player starts to realize they need.
On October 09 2007 21:57 Juglinjugglo wrote: what race would testie play? he can't play random..
afaik he could play random if he really wanted to... although you're right the coach would probably pressure him to choose one race for ease of practice
hmm on second thought i think i'm confusing race picking with random, i think race picking is allowed (with conditions) but random is not?
i always thought testie was quite a mass gamer and that he only pretended not to care. somewhere i read about him "prolly the man who has played the most games on earth"
based on that i wouldn't think that he will improve as much to let him join individual leagues. Maybe he is also already too old. Being owned up by a kid like Flash because of superior reactions isn't working as intended. (well white-ra is 29 and still does it.. but that's also not the perfection geared progamer level outside korea) talent wise he is surpassed by other foreigners like SEn, draco, mondi, lx ... they prolly had more potential to have a shot over there.. but lx has already been there and it seems he wasn't too happy, as his sk teammates didn't practice with him properly thus he could not have the maximum output.. but events like PGL prove that he was in fact very worthy and may have achieved something if stayed longer in progamer heaven. draco is ambivalent. mondi prefers to study and play poker. and SEn.. dunno about his reasoning.. but he also seems to be thinking his chances of succeeding are very low.
but that all set aside (and above all the last wcg o_O o_O o_O)... testie HAS BEEN the one constantly taking games from koreans which shows that he is able to do it. And he has a huge advantage over nearly 99% of all the top level gamers -> a deep knowledge of all 3 races (what will he do in korea?) which might have helped him there by outplaying his opponents. so what will become of him after a span of the most intensive training available on earth? He will definitely be the best foreigner.. korea changes you.. all skills you have and which might have been a bit rousty or unflexible are refined and i'm very excited how much potential this canadian still has to unleash.
On October 09 2007 21:54 Leejungterran wrote: some months later : come back canada after got raped game after game , if he lucky we add 2-3 win vs some unknow pro gamer korean .
and LOL at the guy who say : I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life,
RULES OF LIFE LOL .
I didn't know it was so funny, gotta work on my sense of humour
Why would they test him, conclude that he's too slow mechanically, and then turn around some years later to sign him when he's doing worse, through inactivity or what have you? Nonsense
On October 09 2007 21:54 Leejungterran wrote: some months later : come back canada after got raped game after game , if he lucky we add 2-3 win vs some unknow pro gamer korean .
and LOL at the guy who say : I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life,
RULES OF LIFE LOL .
For someone that have been caught maphacking several times and play bw everyday, you got nothing on Testie so stfu please.
On October 09 2007 21:54 Leejungterran wrote: some months later : come back canada after got raped game after game , if he lucky we add 2-3 win vs some unknow pro gamer korean .
and LOL at the guy who say : I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life,
RULES OF LIFE LOL .
For someone that have been caught maphacking several times and play bw everyday, you got nothing on Testie so stfu please.
so free flaming and bm , bring your hack proof replay or stfu . and i play like 2-6 game week , some time 10 game months , you can keep suck testie dick .
On October 09 2007 21:54 Leejungterran wrote: some months later : come back canada after got raped game after game , if he lucky we add 2-3 win vs some unknow pro gamer korean .
and LOL at the guy who say : I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life,
RULES OF LIFE LOL .
For someone that have been caught maphacking several times and play bw everyday, you got nothing on Testie so stfu please.
so free flaming and bm , bring your hack proof replay or stfu . and i play like 2-6 game week , some time 10 game months , you can keep suck testie dick .
On October 09 2007 21:57 Juglinjugglo wrote: what race would testie play? he can't play random..
afaik he could play random if he really wanted to... although you're right the coach would probably pressure him to choose one race for ease of practice
hmm on second thought i think i'm confusing race picking with random, i think race picking is allowed (with conditions) but random is not?
I can't believe someone has something I said in their sig. How long has that been there?
On October 09 2007 21:07 GTR-2-Go wrote: I just had the thought right now that this is a hoax. When I thought about it, I was glad, but in deep thinking; beecause at WCG, Testie did absolutely horrible, 1-3'ing in the group (the forfeit win was his only win). But I suppose he was in the 'group of death'. So why would CJ jump aboard for another contract offer?
testie is definately strategically the best non-korean out there, with a little work on his mechanics, he could do great! lets hope he decides to join CJ entus and perhaps be the last non-korean progamer in starcraft1 ever.
On October 09 2007 21:57 Juglinjugglo wrote: what race would testie play? he can't play random..
afaik he could play random if he really wanted to... although you're right the coach would probably pressure him to choose one race for ease of practice
hmm on second thought i think i'm confusing race picking with random, i think race picking is allowed (with conditions) but random is not?
Race picking is allowed if you announce your race way ahead of time (afaik, like Savior's T display) and random is fine, just not used very often at all. Sigamari randomed a couple 2v2's recently.
On October 09 2007 20:19 GTR-2-Go wrote: If Testie is going to Korea to be with CJ Entus, it's a really good deal for them. Besides Much, CJ have pretty much shit all Protoss wise, so it will be a good boost for them.
you're not serious, right? if he goes there, he will be the worst player on the team at that point in time. At the same time, he could be the person with the most potential.(excluding savior +perhaps a few others)
Testie is too old and too bored of Starcraft. He has to go to school and leave childhood behind. I don't think he will go there, it's a waste of time for nothing.
Why Testie? I love the guy too but after his performance at WCG 08 I'm kind of disappointed. I would expect someone like PJ, Mondragon, or Andriode to be asked.
It would be great to see another foreigner in Korea. I think they should definitely put some more foreigners over therre, I'm sure there are some that can do pretty well (in comparison with other foreigners such as Leg/Assem/Rek) .
PJ and LX's time spent in Korea was due largely to political and marketing reasons though, so I don't think its so surprising PJ never played a televised match, and I'm sure it has a part to play in why PJ went back to China, where he would actually be appreciated.
I wouldnt do it.. sc2 is coming out soon and scbw will prolly go down. Also, why choose testie after his horrible performance @ WCG.. i mean Mondragon did great for a foreign.. why not choose him ? some of you might say " well CJ needs a toss " I think dreiven 2-0'd draco ? thats pretty impressive imo.. why not choose him O.O? Anyways i duno i might be wrong ~_~ but I think its a bad choice! I will still support Testie if he goes pro, GL HF!!
On October 10 2007 03:21 SmileOrDie2 wrote: I wouldnt do it.. sc2 is coming out soon and scbw will prolly go down. Also, why choose testie after his horrible performance @ WCG.. i mean Mondragon did great for a foreign.. why not choose him ? some of you might say " well CJ needs a toss " I think dreiven 2-0'd draco ? thats pretty impressive imo.. why not choose him O.O? Anyways i duno i might be wrong ~_~ but I think its a bad choice! I will still support Testie if he goes pro, GL HF!!
1. Yes, this is the 2nd time CJ has invited me to their team. 2. I cannot really say more until I have officially e-mailed them and seen what they are offering.
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
On October 10 2007 03:42 MYM.Testie wrote: Well I'll just write down some facts:
1. Yes, this is the 2nd time CJ has invited me to their team. 2. I cannot really say more until I have officially e-mailed them and seen what they are offering.
haha. I like the phrase "official e-mail", seem so contrary.
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
testie aint draco, that bitch of a quitter
you should probably shut the fuck up until you spend a year living with people you can barely talk to playing a computer game for 14 hours a day.
meh i call it like i see em, he went into korea with all these fucking goals and how he wants to succeed, and less than a year in, he fucking quits. HE was the one who decided to go to korea, HE was the one who was invited and basically gave em a pro license. and than what does he do? he was like, oh scbw is gonna die with sc2, and there is no money in it blah blah blah. excuses excuses excuses. he IS a fucking quitter, and if u cant see that your a fucking dipshit
hell i just want to see how testie would do if he goes. i dont really know what testie is doing in canada at the moment, but it would seem like an interesting experience. plus he has snagged game from koreans from invitational tournies.
On October 10 2007 03:52 koryano321 wrote: meh i call it like i see em, he went into korea with all these fucking goals and how he wants to succeed, and less than a year in, he fucking quits. HE was the one who decided to go to korea, HE was the one who was invited and basically gave em a pro license. and than what does he do? he was like, oh scbw is gonna die with sc2, and there is no money in it blah blah blah. excuses excuses excuses. he IS a fucking quitter, and if u cant see that your a fucking dipshit
yep he went to korea and tried something that what... 10 non koreans total have tried? he realized he didnt like it/couldnt make it and left. its not like its an easy thing to do and he had no obligation to do it, no need to mock him for leaving. and excuses or not, thats true. theres not real money in it except for the top players and sc2 almost definetly will kill bw.
i think sc2 will maybe kill non-korean tournaments but it doesn't sound like the koreans are all that interested in sc2... so progaming will probably not even notice..
On October 10 2007 03:42 MYM.Testie wrote: Well I'll just write down some facts:
1. Yes, this is the 2nd time CJ has invited me to their team. 2. I cannot really say more until I have officially e-mailed them and seen what they are offering.
if you won't do it for yourself, do it for the PEER PRESSURE;o
Testie is arrogant and overrates himself , but he is no fool : He played the game for so long. He isnt any more gifted than others.. ( of course he partly is.. ) but in the end.. he knows he couldnt do well over there. Im sure he will not go.. but we will see
It would certainly be an awesome experience. You get to see an interesting part of the world and become embroiled in their culture. A lot of people would kill to travel and live in different parts of the world for a time being and expand their horizons. Not only that, you get to play STARCRAFT. PROFESSIONALLY. And make the mad moneys. I hope you do it and best of luck. If anything you will have awesome stories to tell of how when you were younger you lived in a different country and played video games for an official team.
On October 10 2007 03:52 koryano321 wrote: meh i call it like i see em, he went into korea with all these fucking goals and how he wants to succeed, and less than a year in, he fucking quits. HE was the one who decided to go to korea, HE was the one who was invited and basically gave em a pro license. and than what does he do? he was like, oh scbw is gonna die with sc2, and there is no money in it blah blah blah. excuses excuses excuses. he IS a fucking quitter, and if u cant see that your a fucking dipshit
Imho if Testie could manage to spare 6 months of his life. He should go try it. If I had the skill I definately would. It wouldn't hurt to try. Its a once in a lifetime experience. And I also believe that Protoss is his best race. I'm sure that he'd be better than his other two clanmates Movie and Probe, not sure about nbs and definately not much ^^. But his best shot would be to go as a protoss. It would be good from a tl.net's perspective also. I think he'd post in his freetime and let us know what its like over there from a real live point of view.
I hope everyone realizes that if SC2 comes out and takes over or whatever, being on a pro team in Korea is the BEST place to be. If it resets the skill level to some extent, a foreigner over there already situated would have perhaps the premier opportunity of anyone in the world to really become famous and successful at it.
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
testie aint draco, that bitch of a quitter
you should probably shut the fuck up until you spend a year living with people you can barely talk to playing a computer game for 14 hours a day.
Maybe this is what CJ Entus is trying to do. Turn SC into something not exclusively Korean. I am sure the Korean companies making money on SC want to expand their business into the rest of the world.
On October 09 2007 20:19 GTR-2-Go wrote: If Testie is going to Korea to be with CJ Entus, it's a really good deal for them. Besides Much, CJ have pretty much shit all Protoss wise, so it will be a good boost for them.
hah, Much will own Testie. (no offense to testie)
if Testie does decide to take the really difficult path of becoming a progamer in korea, more power to him. but to me, it just sounds unreasonable, because one, you can't force someone to practice the amount of hours korean progamers practice, and two, you can't force someone to speak korean. i agree with the posts that stated that it is easier to be there with someone who can speak your tongue because in all honesty, no one can survive the grueling hours and just get by without having some peace of mind to talk with someone who is undergoing a similar experience.
and again, how many foreigners have thought that they could take progaming on? esp. in such a narrow field like progaming, where only the really good make it to the top, while the lesser knowns serve in proleague (if they end up doing pretty well in team games) or languish back at the training house. honestly, progaming is fun to watch, but it's so difficult, i think.
and yeah, this rumor business pretty much sounded like rubbish, but again, if testie was really offered a contract, and he wants to do it, go testie.
you only live once.. so why not take the opportunity to make a new experience. Even if it's shitty and you are wiser afterwards, your still got to see something new.
On October 09 2007 20:19 GTR-2-Go wrote: If Testie is going to Korea to be with CJ Entus, it's a really good deal for them. Besides Much, CJ have pretty much shit all Protoss wise, so it will be a good boost for them.
hah, Much will own Testie. (no offense to testie)
if Testie does decide to take the really difficult path of becoming a progamer in korea, more power to him. but to me, it just sounds unreasonable, because one, you can't force someone to practice the amount of hours korean progamers practice, and two, you can't force someone to speak korean. i agree with the posts that stated that it is easier to be there with someone who can speak your tongue because in all honesty, no one can survive the grueling hours and just get by without having some peace of mind to talk with someone who is undergoing a similar experience.
and again, how many foreigners have thought that they could take progaming on? esp. in such a narrow field like progaming, where only the really good make it to the top, while the lesser knowns serve in proleague (if they end up doing pretty well in team games) or languish back at the training house. honestly, progaming is fun to watch, but it's so difficult, i think.
and yeah, this rumor business pretty much sounded like rubbish, but again, if testie was really offered a contract, and he wants to do it, go testie.
he was offered a contract. he knows better than you do what his position among korean skill level is, and that he is far away from playing in OSL/MSL. What he also knows is that it is atleast an AWESOME experience to go do your hobby as a job in a completely different culture.
I see now why these guys keep information away from the general public. I am sorry testie, I am REALLY excited for you and I wanted to share that with the community. I forgot that the community is diverse with fucktard morons who will nay-say anything even if they dont realize the oppurtunity at hand.
I wish I had kept it a secret.
PS: Those who are being supportive, I thank you. This is fucking excellent and awesome. Absolutely nothing bad about it. To say he will do "better or worse" is not only a projection into a future you most likely have no fucking clue on, its a mute point. Be happy we are looking at putting a non korean in korea.
On October 09 2007 20:19 GTR-2-Go wrote: If Testie is going to Korea to be with CJ Entus, it's a really good deal for them. Besides Much, CJ have pretty much shit all Protoss wise, so it will be a good boost for them.
hah, Much will own Testie. (no offense to testie)
if Testie does decide to take the really difficult path of becoming a progamer in korea, more power to him. but to me, it just sounds unreasonable, because one, you can't force someone to practice the amount of hours korean progamers practice, and two, you can't force someone to speak korean. i agree with the posts that stated that it is easier to be there with someone who can speak your tongue because in all honesty, no one can survive the grueling hours and just get by without having some peace of mind to talk with someone who is undergoing a similar experience.
and again, how many foreigners have thought that they could take progaming on? esp. in such a narrow field like progaming, where only the really good make it to the top, while the lesser knowns serve in proleague (if they end up doing pretty well in team games) or languish back at the training house. honestly, progaming is fun to watch, but it's so difficult, i think.
and yeah, this rumor business pretty much sounded like rubbish, but again, if testie was really offered a contract, and he wants to do it, go testie.
he was offered a contract. he knows better than you do what his position among korean skill level is, and that he is far away from playing in OSL/MSL. What he also knows is that it is atleast an AWESOME experience to go do your hobby as a job in a completely different culture.
mm ok, more power to him. i didn't say that i was more knowledgeable than he was, mind you. all i'm saying is that it is really difficult to become a good progamer, they make it look pretty glamorous on TV, and a lot of kids have dreams of becoming a progamer, but few will reach that level.
and to your latter point on how it was an awesome experience, i think you can ask either YellOw or NaDa if they still consider their jobs awesome. last time i checked, they both were saying that (in an interview) that they wished sc were a hobby, not their job that they go at for 12 hours a day. but again, who am i or you to say that testie can't do it right?
On October 09 2007 21:54 Leejungterran wrote: some months later : come back canada after got raped game after game , if he lucky we add 2-3 win vs some unknow pro gamer korean .
and LOL at the guy who say : I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life,
I would love to see a Canadian head to the big leagues. Hopefully it will also re-energize Testie on BW and will give hope to all the foreigners out there.
On October 10 2007 05:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I see now why these guys keep information away from the general public. I am sorry testie, I am REALLY excited for you and I wanted to share that with the community. I forgot that the community is diverse with fucktard morons who will nay-say anything even if they dont realize the oppurtunity at hand.
I wish I had kept it a secret.
PS: Those who are being supportive, I thank you. This is fucking excellent and awesome. Absolutely nothing bad about it. To say he will do "better or worse" is not only a projection into a future you most likely have no fucking clue on, its a mute point. Be happy we are looking at putting a non korean in korea.
Testie is so lucky, he'll get to chill with elky, giyom and rekrul in his free time. He can ask giyom the secrets of protoss, get to chill with the Protoss master himself. I'll definitely always watch CJ on proleague awaiting his appearance if he does go. This is so awesome. I'm hoping you go so we have someone to cheer for her in Canada!
I don't see why Testie shouldn't go... it will surely be an amazing experience, regardless of how his actual SC career goes... having all expenses paid and living in Korea is a pretty attractive thing for anyone (unless you don't like to experience new things).
And on top of that, he'll be earning some kind of a salary, meeting new people, and playing the game he loves professionally, improving his skill much much more than it already is, with the possibility of making even MORE money if he succeeds.
Hell, I'd do it if I were that good, just for the experience if nothing else.
There will be fucktards, there will be supporters, and there will be all sorts of weird and accidental baskin robbins flavors inbetween, such is the nature of the internet.
Good luck to Testie if this is indeed going through, it'll be quite an experience to be sure ^^
I'm depressed thinking about sc2 coming soon.. people say they loving BW and then they wanna play another game all of a sudden just cuz someone decided to call it sc2. It will probably be something like wc3 in space:/ and if its good it still wont be like BW, and if its not like BW then I dont like it!
And Testie, you ought to go there! Just think about it, playing BW professional over there is like being a pop star; if you succeed, think of all the ladies you'll get, yumyum!
Testie is cute and funny, he will make a good cover boy along with Savior. Imagine the two of them on some bad ass magazines...on the cover... Girls will buy them only to have some erotic experiences looking at that cover !!! Go Testie !!! ups that reminds me of Cartman and NAMBLA
Guys seriously... TL is for the most parts a great community and that's why these guys share this kind of stuff. Let's keep it that way! Stop flaming with offensive comments!
On October 10 2007 06:30 AnOth3rDAy wrote: I'm depressed thinking about sc2 coming soon.. people say they loving BW and then they wanna play another game all of a sudden just cuz someone decided to call it sc2. It will probably be something like wc3 in space:/ and if its good it still wont be like BW, and if its not like BW then I dont like it!
And Testie, you ought to go there! Just think about it, playing BW professional over there is like being a pop star; if you succeed, think of all the ladies you'll get, yumyum!
aint nothin to it but to do it - RC
Another dumb post ;o
SC2 is not like WC3 in space, SC2 is like BW with cooler graphics and just plain better, it's not even finished, but i had so much fun playing SC2 at Blizzcon, I can't wait =o .
You'll never know what it was like if you don't go! ^^
From recent interviews with Testie that I've read he's seemed very uninspired about scbw tho.. :o I hope this changes it and that you take a shot at it! Goodluck with whatever you choose to do!
On October 10 2007 06:38 Dewis wrote: Guys seriously... TL is for the most parts a great community and that's why these guys share this kind of stuff. Let's keep it that way! Stop flaming with offensive comments!
QFT. Good luck Testie, i hope the deal works out for you and we'll all be behind you on it
Testie is one of those players I\'ve always had mixed feelings about. At times he displays a very USEast-ish persona (everything from the arrogance to the at times faulty logic to ridiculous scandals for just plain stupid reasons), and at other times he seems like a really nice guy who helps others as well as a skilled gamer.
Well, ideally, he will go to Korea and leave the East-ish persona back home in Canada. If he goes, hopefully he will truly feel ready to dedicate himself to this and he will do it for the right reasons, leaving behind no regrets.
And you nay-sayers... what are you idiots spouting? Testie is one of the most competant players outside of Korea and he understands this game at a progamer level and has the mechanical skills to back it up. And SC is dead/dying? Uhh... the progamer scene is STILL growing and I also recall similar comments being made when WC 3 came out. New flash: unless SC 2 is actually a better game, it won\'t damage the SC community nearly as bad in Korea as out of Korea (us foreigners are more trendy and by and large less dedicated).
On October 10 2007 05:51 BlackStar wrote: If Testie can practice with Much for weeks, a few hours a day, why would he not catch up with him?
i think it's due to the sheer amount of practice hours korean players are able to play, where a foreigner would consider 6 hours a lot, a korean progamer would consider that daily routine - i guess you could call it endurance. i honestly wish testie the best of luck if he decides to go. although the going will be hard, i don't deny it'll be an experience he won't forget.
On October 10 2007 05:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I see now why these guys keep information away from the general public. I am sorry testie, I am REALLY excited for you and I wanted to share that with the community. I forgot that the community is diverse with fucktard morons who will nay-say anything even if they dont realize the oppurtunity at hand.
I wish I had kept it a secret.
PS: Those who are being supportive, I thank you. This is fucking excellent and awesome. Absolutely nothing bad about it. To say he will do "better or worse" is not only a projection into a future you most likely have no fucking clue on, its a mute point. Be happy we are looking at putting a non korean in korea.
NICE testie, go go gl h5 thats great how you were offered, dont quit like Draco And doesnt he play random, he'd probably have to stick with one race, and how good is his 2v2?
And why did he not accept it earlier? Sorry for all the questions
On October 10 2007 07:04 Nocturne wrote: i think it's due to the sheer amount of practice hours korean players are able to play, where a foreigner would consider 6 hours a lot, a korean progamer would consider that daily routine - i guess you could call it endurance. i honestly wish testie the best of luck if he decides to go. although the going will be hard, i don't deny it'll be an experience he won't forget.
On October 10 2007 07:04 Nocturne wrote: i think it's due to the sheer amount of practice hours korean players are able to play, where a foreigner would consider 6 hours a lot, a korean progamer would consider that daily routine - i guess you could call it endurance. i honestly wish testie the best of luck if he decides to go. although the going will be hard, i don't deny it'll be an experience he won't forget.
lol nick I thought you were gonna quit bw after IEST ;p but I guess this could be a nice adventure, especielly since it's something you've always wanted, with the right timing and all...
Even though you might feel like this isnt the right time etc, there rarely is.. And besides, let's face it, you are running out of time to make this dream-_-;
On October 09 2007 20:34 ForAdun wrote: I doubt Testie will stay in Korea for more than 9 months. It's not because of him, I don't know how disciplined he can follow a training routine and how strong he is mentally to stay focused. I just think he cannot live in Korea. It will be another world for him, he will feel that way every single day. It may cause him to question his decision again and again. Sooner or later he will ask himself what he's doing in Korea when he could have a good life somewhere else. He will most likely lose his aim after some time - feeling that he's walking in circles - and then he won't play SC with heart anymore. That will be his return to normal life, back home, finding a job, etc. Or in the worst case he will become another poker-freak...
Everyone needs something where he can go back to at any moment in his life. I highly doubt Testie can break the rules of life, no matter how hard he tries.
testie aint draco, that bitch of a quitter
you should probably shut the fuck up until you spend a year living with people you can barely talk to playing a computer game for 14 hours a day.
You mean like people who play WoW?
i LOL'd
Testie ill be rooting on for you if you decide to go. It would be really awesome to hear news of how you are doing there. GL HF
and hope all these "GOOD LUCKS" dont pressure you into making u feel like you have to go now. take your time to think its a hard decision im sure.
From lands consumed by ice and snow Which to Giyom the Great gave birth, Another hero now steps forth; Let him be welcomed to the show.
His famous user name describes One of a pair, which Tossgirl lacks, That normally resides in sacks And oft turns blue from certain vibes.
"Off to Korea," he proclaims, In the prelims, he paves his way Through pros who haven't yet made their names. The league holds rather tougher games: He faces Im Yohwan today.
Their forces clash, an epic bout. Then Boxer's out, our hero's in - To countless fans this brings chagrin. "Ssibal! Kesekki-a!" they shout.
But he fights on despite duress. All that confronts him burns and bleeds, And Shudder shudders, Much is less, Sea[Shield] evaporates from stress, And Ma Jae Yoon salvation needs.
As he returns to visit home, He wears the medals on his chest. The fans concede: he is the best, A true successor to Giyom.
From lands consumed by ice and snow Which to Giyom the Great gave birth, Another hero now steps forth; Let him be welcomed to the show.
His famous user name describes One of a pair, which Tossgirl lacks, That normally resides in sacks And oft turns blue from certain vibes.
"Off to Korea," he proclaims, In the prelims, he paves his way Through pros who haven't yet made their names. The league holds rather tougher games: He faces Im Yohwan today.
Their forces clash, an epic bout. Then Boxer's out, our hero's in - To countless fans this brings chagrin. "Ssibal! Kesekki-a!" they shout.
But he fights on despite duress. All that confronts him burns and bleeds, And Shudder shudders, Much is less, Sea[Shield] evaporates from stress, And Ma Jae Yoon salvation needs.
As he returns to visit home, He wears the medals on his chest. The fans concede: he is the best, A true successor to Giyom.
I think it's an amazing opportunity and I hope Testie goes, even if it's only for a short while. If I had the talent, I would surely take a sabbatical from work for the unique experience. (Testie fighting!)
Even though it won't be completely necessary, since he's on invite. I think that he should try to do the Courage Tournament to sorta assess his skill level. Even though i'll be gald if Testie does this, I wish it were Midian though. I remember looking at his PGT reps and being in complete fucking awe. He was my favourite non-kor zerg. Too bad he has no more love for the game.
But Testie what clan tag would you use ? Nal Team or Clan By. or just CJ_Testie This is kinda exciting for the foreign scene. I wish that you pursue this !!!
From lands consumed by ice and snow Which to Giyom the Great gave birth, Another hero now steps forth; Let him be welcomed to the show.
His famous user name describes One of a pair, which Tossgirl lacks, That normally resides in sacks And oft turns blue from certain vibes.
"Off to Korea," he proclaims, In the prelims, he paves his way Through pros who haven't yet made their names. The league holds rather tougher games: He faces Im Yohwan today.
Their forces clash, an epic bout. Then Boxer's out, our hero's in - To countless fans this brings chagrin. "Ssibal! Kesekki-a!" they shout.
But he fights on despite duress. All that confronts him burns and bleeds, And Shudder shudders, Much is less, Sea[Shield] evaporates from stress, And Ma Jae Yoon salvation needs.
As he returns to visit home, He wears the medals on his chest. The fans concede: he is the best, A true successor to Giyom.
On October 10 2007 05:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I see now why these guys keep information away from the general public. I am sorry testie, I am REALLY excited for you and I wanted to share that with the community. I forgot that the community is diverse with fucktard morons who will nay-say anything even if they dont realize the oppurtunity at hand.
I wish I had kept it a secret.
PS: Those who are being supportive, I thank you. This is fucking excellent and awesome. Absolutely nothing bad about it. To say he will do "better or worse" is not only a projection into a future you most likely have no fucking clue on, its a mute point. Be happy we are looking at putting a non korean in korea.
is there a reason why you quoted yourself? As much as I excited that someone will show up in the korean scene who is non-asian, continuing on saying how much he should go in itself is trying to get him to go. It should be his choice and no one others. Nick, do what you want. Good Luck and most of all, Have Fun with whatever you do.
It doesn't matter if you like testie or not, every single one of you will cheer for him if he goes to korea. Only foreignor to try for awhile, who wouldn't cheer?
If you love the game, you would go just for the opportunity to experience everything about bw. You won't have any regrets if you do :o.
Xeris thats not true, it wont be better. Can't be better.. nothing they've made before is better so why should sc2 be, what are the chanses...
what you dont understand is that you dont have to upgrade everything... sc is the perfect game. you dont upgrade soccer do you? get new triangle fields or hills? som bushes maybe or some self-moving goals? maybe add some cars and more balls? wouldn't it be cool? off topic though:/
After practising against sAviOr and Iris. He should improve enough to make a PL roster. I woould hope. SL hmmm.... we'll have to see how much and how fast he improves.
On October 10 2007 09:26 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Xeris thats not true, it wont be better. Can't be better.. nothing they've made before is better so why should sc2 be, what are the chanses...
what you dont understand is that you dont have to upgrade everything... sc is the perfect game. you dont upgrade soccer do you? get new triangle fields or hills? som bushes maybe or some self-moving goals? maybe add some cars and more balls? wouldn't it be cool? off topic though:/
signed they took out reavers.. how can it be any better? no more artful reaver drops? Rainbow will lose his sense to live!
but i still hope the cons will be outweighed or at least balanced by the pros which the new units hopefully are.
On October 10 2007 08:50 defenestrate wrote: I still stand by
From lands consumed by ice and snow Which to Giyom the Great gave birth, Another hero now steps forth; Let him be welcomed to the show.
His famous user name describes One of a pair, which Tossgirl lacks, That normally resides in sacks And oft turns blue from certain vibes.
"Off to Korea," he proclaims, In the prelims, he paves his way Through pros who haven't yet made their names. The league holds rather tougher games: He faces Im Yohwan today.
Their forces clash, an epic bout. Then Boxer's out, our hero's in - To countless fans this brings chagrin. "Ssibal! Kesekki-a!" they shout.
But he fights on despite duress. All that confronts him burns and bleeds, And Shudder shudders, Much is less, Sea[Shield] evaporates from stress, And Ma Jae Yoon salvation needs.
As he returns to visit home, He wears the medals on his chest. The fans concede: he is the best, A true successor to Giyom.
Prove it true, Testie.
rofl rofl rofl... who wrote that poem?
I believe the poster of the poem did :D I'm honestly shocked and excitde at the same time of this news! Well, actually rumor, but w/e!
man i'm so happy no one quoted my illiterate stupidity, i was bored skim reading in the thing, the OP directed it to the inc post, atleast i caugth myself, and from what testie said in a previous post, if you decide to go, GL man, just out of curiosity, did they say why they invited you this time, becuase your performanced in the group of death was an 0-3, what did they say about inviting you again?
On October 10 2007 08:50 defenestrate wrote: I still stand by
From lands consumed by ice and snow Which to Giyom the Great gave birth, Another hero now steps forth; Let him be welcomed to the show.
His famous user name describes One of a pair, which Tossgirl lacks, That normally resides in sacks And oft turns blue from certain vibes.
"Off to Korea," he proclaims, In the prelims, he paves his way Through pros who haven't yet made their names. The league holds rather tougher games: He faces Im Yohwan today.
Their forces clash, an epic bout. Then Boxer's out, our hero's in - To countless fans this brings chagrin. "Ssibal! Kesekki-a!" they shout.
But he fights on despite duress. All that confronts him burns and bleeds, And Shudder shudders, Much is less, Sea[Shield] evaporates from stress, And Ma Jae Yoon salvation needs.
As he returns to visit home, He wears the medals on his chest. The fans concede: he is the best, A true successor to Giyom.
On October 10 2007 09:26 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Xeris thats not true, it wont be better. Can't be better.. nothing they've made before is better so why should sc2 be, what are the chanses...
what you dont understand is that you dont have to upgrade everything... sc is the perfect game. you dont upgrade soccer do you? get new triangle fields or hills? som bushes maybe or some self-moving goals? maybe add some cars and more balls? wouldn't it be cool? off topic though:/
you have no idea because you havent even played the game, lol. I am very sure Blizz will do a very good job with SC2... I played it at Blizzcon and had a really great time playing it, despite all that MBS stuff or whatever, but I believe the final product will be even better t han the alpha version that was presented to us at Blizzcon.
hmmm well i have a hyung(bro) worker that seats next to me. Hes best friend is a progamer. hes in hanbit and is current the 2/2 team there.. If anyone know its the skinny one not the fat dude. I asked him and testie has to consider alot of things. What will hes salary be. Only the good players get the $$$ the rest is pretty crappy. Also the progamer told him its not that bad because everyone practices with each other and its pretty fun to be a progamer. But the players like Draco/LX/PJ the communication made it practically impossible to be part of the team. I think those 3 players counld have spoken korean i think they would have at least made it to one of the leagues. if u want more questions about the progamer msg me ill ask my hyung^^ Also Testie choose wisely. If its worth it or not because it could be the best memory you ever had or it could be your worst. TESTIE FIGHTING!!
yea they are best friends since middle school^^ Any questions ask me^^ Also i heard NaDa is a asshole lol fucktard when the camera is not around^^ he has his own fridge lol
hmmm its testie^^ consider money alot testie. Don't pay to be a progamer... Korea is very expensive. An average player that comes out in proleague once in a while makes 20k a year. Which is nothing in korea
On October 10 2007 13:38 Juglinjugglo wrote: i dunno lol im just saying what the hyung told me. I think NaDa is full of himself?? Hes like a star in korea...
hmm camlito ud be suprised.. Starcraft in korea has become like american football. the 10-20s ages males all watch starcraft. they might not play it but everyone knows whats going on around the leagues.
On October 10 2007 13:45 Juglinjugglo wrote: hmm camlito ud be suprised.. Starcraft in korea has become like american football. the 10-20s ages males all watch starcraft. they might not play it but everyone knows whats going on around the leagues.
i was being sarcastic .
i know there stars, and i watch the starcraft games myself
Draco isn't a quitter, he had a whole lot of heart and a big dream. You just cannot judge until you are in his shoes.
He's an amazing guy and shouldn't be looked down upon when he has so many great traits about his character.
Living life like Draco does is something few people do, and it takes strength and courage to live like him. He always has my utmost respect.
I can agree. From what I saw, Draco looked like he had a lot of passion and concern inside of him during this WCG. The results don't tell you how much he truly cared. Another good trait was, at the end of the day, he's still able to have a good time and enjoy himself with others; despite earlier losses.
Congradulations to Testie in getting another offer. It's always a pleasure to see pro-StarCraft expand outside of its natural borders.
Now the big question; Will Testie be Random or will he stick to a race? I think with his deep understanding of the game (probably deeper than most seeing as he can play all 3 races at such a high level), switching and committing to one race and then practicing it 10 hours a day may = the first successful non-korean in a long time.
well the thing is he can practice random with the members in the team. Savior plays alot of other races during practice. Its just on the big screen he will have to choose. He won't have to choose one race and play that one all day every day.
I don't imagine NaDa's random or sAviOr's random or iloveoov's random or YellOw's random is going to be weaker than Testie's random. Popular misconception that progamers only play their race. It's not just sAviOr that practices both sides of a matchup. he's the only one that's crazy enough to do it on TV for a relatively important match.
That being said, I think Testie racepicking would be interesting, and viable.
Testie will always choose P in the most important games it seems, he's not really random anymore unless he thinks he can dominate you with any race, he'll pick his race to give him the best chance, for example, he'll always choose Zerg against Bandit because he knows he has a much higher chance of beating him ZvP than he does with P or T.
Just for interests sake, wasn't there someone (ChRh perhaps) who was #3 on KeSPA rankings back in about 2002/2003 with random. I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks on me now, but I remember seeing that. It was the time sAviOr started getting somewhere with IPXZerg, he wasn't #1 yet, but he was high, so it's probably after 2003 then...
On October 10 2007 16:50 Daigomi wrote: Just for interests sake, wasn't there someone (ChRh perhaps) who was #3 on KeSPA rankings back in about 2002/2003 with random. I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks on me now, but I remember seeing that. It was the time sAviOr started getting somewhere with IPXZerg, he wasn't #1 yet, but he was high, so it's probably after 2003 then...
Didn't savior start pushing up the ranks in 2005?
and yeh chRh was playing around then, i think he was random but switched to terran.. i dont know. Ask someone to be sure.
Yeh, I might be confusing two different things that caught my attention. So ignore the sAviOr part, I think I just remember IPXZerg climbing the ranks without me really knowing who he was, and me being happy because a Zerg finally did something.
That is the closest I can find to what I am thinking of, ChRh #5 on KeSPA rankings. Now just for someone to confirm whether he ever played random or not!
random has always a big advantage on island or semi-island maps (i know they're old but think of: neo arkanoid, this desert map with buildings and mins blocking (geometry??) and monty hall)
it has also the advantage that progamers don't practice against random and don't have established build orders against it
random z 4 pool on the smaller maps is auto win i'd say or you are ahead by alot because they do very defensive early builds which you can exploit... i'd say random is way too strong, but then again why has there never been a random guy that owned em all....
On October 10 2007 13:35 Juglinjugglo wrote: yea they are best friends since middle school^^ Any questions ask me^^ Also i heard NaDa is a asshole lol fucktard when the camera is not around^^ he has his own fridge lol
its not the fact that he has his own fridge that made me LOL, but the fact that its the 'proof' of nada being "asshole lol fucktard" hahaha damnit this shit is so funny, its going straight to my sig
-------------- on a more serious note, this post is a good one:
On October 10 2007 05:40 Ghardo wrote: you only live once.. so why not take the opportunity to make a new experience. Even if it's shitty and you are wiser afterwards, your still got to see something new.
On October 10 2007 18:15 Kaolla wrote: random z 4 pool on the smaller maps is auto win i'd say or you are ahead by alot because they do very defensive early builds which you can exploit... i'd say random is way too strong, but then again why has there never been a random guy that owned em all....
because you can barely master one race an all the match ups with 7 hours daily training.. you need hella talent and 3X7 = 21 hours practice if u want to be as good with random as with one race litterally gl
On October 10 2007 18:15 Kaolla wrote: random z 4 pool on the smaller maps is auto win i'd say or you are ahead by alot because they do very defensive early builds which you can exploit... i'd say random is way too strong, but then again why has there never been a random guy that owned em all....
because you can barely master one race an all the match ups with 7 hours daily training.. you need hella talent and 3X7 = 21 hours practice if u want to be as good with random as with one race litterally gl
i think people meant that they wondered if he would stay a racepicker because that would mean he'd have to train the same amount of matchups. He just always has to announce which race he is gonna play before he plays the game. So it gives no advantage PJ used to be a racepicker but they forced him to play PvZ too. I dont know if CJ would do the same to testie
On October 10 2007 18:15 Kaolla wrote: random z 4 pool on the smaller maps is auto win i'd say or you are ahead by alot because they do very defensive early builds which you can exploit... i'd say random is way too strong, but then again why has there never been a random guy that owned em all....
because you can barely master one race an all the match ups with 7 hours daily training.. you need hella talent and 3X7 = 21 hours practice if u want to be as good with random as with one race litterally gl
The point of playing random is that you dont need tomaster races, you get a build order advantage by going random. Its notl ikeyou go random and tell them inthe beginning what race you are, that would defeat the advantage of random.
going rnd on 2 player maps is almost useless and on 4 player maps it might be huge.. but its not worth it .. having to master so many possible match up .. is impossible..
the main difference is that testie probably played as much as rekrul and draco together.. he wont improve that much any more if u ask me.. testie has almost reached his highest level ( which is high.. he is pretty damn good after all ).. but thats it imho
On October 10 2007 16:16 Last Romantic wrote: I don't imagine NaDa's random or sAviOr's random or iloveoov's random or YellOw's random is going to be weaker than Testie's random. Popular misconception that progamers only play their race. It's not just sAviOr that practices both sides of a matchup. he's the only one that's crazy enough to do it on TV for a relatively important match.
That being said, I think Testie racepicking would be interesting, and viable.
iloveoov had a mean random in the gamei days, he probably still does.
Anyway, good luck with it Testie. You're obviously the only one who knows enough about your own life back in Canada to take the decision. If leaving it for some time is not a problem, go for it ! Worst-case scenario it's a great experience, best-case scenario it's amazing.
On October 10 2007 23:36 MaGic~PhiL wrote: best- case scenairo : ending like reklul
( -.-v))
Didnt rekrul say he never regretted it and it was a great experiance? It's hardly that bad is it? If Testie goes into this with a clear mind and no mis-conceptions and just enjoys everything as it is, Im sure he'd have a ball of a time doing something none of us will ever do. He doesnt have to win a Starleague for this to be worthwhile..
On October 10 2007 23:36 MaGic~PhiL wrote: best- case scenairo : ending like reklul
( -.-v))
Didnt rekrul say he never regretted it and it was a great experiance? It's hardly that bad is it? If Testie goes into this with a clear mind and no mis-conceptions and just enjoys everything as it is, Im sure he'd have a ball of a time doing something none of us will ever do. He doesnt have to win a Starleague for this to be worthwhile..
exactly, even if he doesn't doesn't pull off some amazing wins or whatever it would still be an amazing experience imo.
testie its a very interesting player. i like their style but the korean pressure its too much, maybe the money can make a miracle and training like a beast.. i hope testie take the korean tickets.
I'd rather be Testie who has a chance to go to Korea and have a great time than a random troll on forums telling him to get a life -_-!
Testie unlike 99% of the people here, and probably 100% of the people bitching, actually has done worthwhile with his time playing this game, while you guys have probably done nothing but wasted hours, since at the end of the day you have got nothing out of this game that would be beneficial to your lives, while Testie has made a bunch of money, and now has this great opportunity.
So go re-examine who you are asking to get a life. GL to Testie if you decide to go (do it!)
Anyone here who is not completely supporting Testie, a fellow TL member and foreign player, sucks so much ass. I can't even describe how disgustingly petty and sad that is.
Go for it Testie, it's always nice to see a fresh face in Korea progaming. Don't be shy about posting about what's happening cuz you know TL, at least the ones with a brain, support you.
On October 11 2007 01:48 Aphelion wrote: Anyone here who is not completely supporting Testie, a fellow TL member and foreign player, sucks so much ass. I can't even describe how disgustingly petty and sad that is.
GL HF Testie.
Ye. We all should support the Lemmings to go suicide. Good bye Testie.
although i am not a testie fan, it would be nice to see him go to korea and see how he does. Especially in such a high-caliber team as CJ Entus. GL Testie~
Aphelion is right, this is not people's decision to make and it's annoying how they interject their opinions in like it matters. You know very little or nothing about who he practices with or how long he practices. He's been one of the best foreigners for a long time and has a good chance or doing something. Also, what does it matter if you think he's not cut out for it? You root for him because he adds something new to the scene and the fact that he is a foreigner should be a reason to support him. It's like the people that were rooting for Stork, Hwasin, and sAviOr at WCG. You know they will probably win but you support the foreigners because they are the underdogs. Hell there were people bming Pj when he was about to play Stork. Everyone knows he stood a small chance of beating #1 Kespa but he still did something that we had not seen for a while and made it into the top 3 of WCG which is usually dominated by Koreans. Pj represented you as Testie will in Korea and you bm them or cheer for the other guy, it's like bming yourself and cheering for your opponent.
Anyway, good luck Testie and I'm sure you know what the right decision is concerning yourself.
On October 11 2007 01:48 Aphelion wrote: Anyone here who is not completely supporting Testie, a fellow TL member and foreign player, sucks so much ass. I can't even describe how disgustingly petty and sad that is.
On October 11 2007 01:36 Xeris wrote: I'd rather be Testie who has a chance to go to Korea and have a great time than a random troll on forums telling him to get a life -_-!
Testie unlike 99% of the people here, and probably 100% of the people bitching, actually has done worthwhile with his time playing this game, while you guys have probably done nothing but wasted hours, since at the end of the day you have got nothing out of this game that would be beneficial to your lives, while Testie has made a bunch of money, and now has this great opportunity.
So go re-examine who you are asking to get a life. GL to Testie if you decide to go (do it!)
What is money when you can have fun? Of all Testie got out of this game money would be the smallest part. As should it for all of us.
On October 11 2007 01:48 Aphelion wrote: Anyone here who is not completely supporting Testie, a fellow TL member and foreign player, sucks so much ass. I can't even describe how disgustingly petty and sad that is.
GL HF Testie.
Ye. We all should support the Lemmings to go suicide. Good bye Testie.
On October 11 2007 01:36 Xeris wrote: I'd rather be Testie who has a chance to go to Korea and have a great time than a random troll on forums telling him to get a life -_-!
Testie unlike 99% of the people here, and probably 100% of the people bitching, actually has done worthwhile with his time playing this game, while you guys have probably done nothing but wasted hours, since at the end of the day you have got nothing out of this game that would be beneficial to your lives, while Testie has made a bunch of money, and now has this great opportunity.
So go re-examine who you are asking to get a life. GL to Testie if you decide to go (do it!)
What is money when you can have fun? Of all Testie got out of this game money would be the smallest part. As should it for all of us.
just an example of something concrete hes gotten out of the game that all the losers saying its a waste havent. its kind of assumed that hes had fun, cuz i doubt anyone would play a game for years if they didnt enjoy it.
On October 11 2007 06:34 CultureMisfits wrote: there is absolutely nothing positive about playing starcraft bw
And there is nothing positive about what you just said, and if theres nothing positive, why do you have over 1000 posts? Surely one of them was in the strategy forum.
OMG this sounds random but... later in the future if there are enough foreigners, they make a TL.NET progaming team? That would be so tight, light blue jackets with the horse on the back, sounds tight. Sadly we dont have the money to do it
videogames aren't a bad way to spend time especially if you're really good at them. it's not much different than devoting your life to a sport. devoting your life to a sport you have more chance of real success but a: real success isn't necessarily the only thing you could get out of it and b: your chances aren't that much higher. and you tend to get out more when devoted to a physical sport but a: it's not like his team will be playing him over the internet and b some people get along fine without getting out much. and for fuck's sakes if he doesn't succeed he'll just come back. you think he'll then regret the time he spent there? you're not doing anyone any favours telling him not to go. if he does succeed, being a progamer is hard, living alot just for fame, entertainment, and being better than other people, so i imagine. that's what matters most to some people. If it doesn't truly make him happy, he should leave. don't overestimate too much how much i care i just want to win this argument.
If Testie goes over there he is in for a new poker lifestyle (if he follows current foriegner trends) haha.
PS- Even though his team (if he goes) probably wont let him play random. There are some seriously huge advantages to playing it especially on certain maps. But in reality there is really no way to train random on all the maps (especially since new maps all the time). Unless they just trained him to cheese every game which is predicatble and takes away the random advantage in the first place.
On October 11 2007 08:58 Rekrul wrote: The only thing that will be more detrimental to testie's possible success than the koreans' overwhelming skill levels is my influence on his life.
Shut me out and you have a chance. Tread carefully.
rofl yeah, he better shut you out or he will get distracted by all these korean hotties <-- click link for korean hotties
On October 11 2007 08:58 Rekrul wrote: The only thing that will be more detrimental to testie's possible success than the koreans' overwhelming skill levels is my influence on his life.
Shut me out and you have a chance. Tread carefully.
On October 11 2007 08:58 Rekrul wrote: The only thing that will be more detrimental to testie's possible success than the koreans' overwhelming skill levels is my influence on his life.
Shut me out and you have a chance. Tread carefully.
rofl yeah, he better shut you out or he will get distracted by all these korean hotties <-- click link for korean hotties
On October 11 2007 08:58 Rekrul wrote: The only thing that will be more detrimental to testie's possible success than the koreans' overwhelming skill levels is my influence on his life.
Shut me out and you have a chance. Tread carefully.
Haha, finally some honesty.
This is very good news. I've been waiting a long time to see Testie in Korea.
On October 11 2007 02:29 G5 wrote: although i am not a testie fan, it would be nice to see him go to korea and see how he does. Especially in such a high-caliber team as CJ Entus. GL Testie~
lmao, i guess i finally will meet testie in Korea if he make his decision before winter break gogo nick
On October 11 2007 08:58 Rekrul wrote: The only thing that will be more detrimental to testie's possible success than the koreans' overwhelming skill levels is my influence on his life.
Shut me out and you have a chance. Tread carefully.
rofl yeah, he better shut you out or he will get distracted by all these korean hotties <-- click link for korean hotties
On October 10 2007 23:11 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the main difference is that testie probably played as much as rekrul and draco together.. he wont improve that much any more if u ask me.. testie has almost reached his highest level ( which is high.. he is pretty damn good after all ).. but thats it imho
this is pure bullshit,with the best players in the world u can always progress,but again u need to have game understanding like them,or et least have someone to teach/helping you to get that understanding CJ have best zerg,doesnt have best toss and terran atm but who knows maybe testie will have stork/bisu/ra/hwasin/sea/nada etc... for practice partners ..
testie played so much games,repeated matchups over and over but the thing that i love the most at him is his deep deep understanding for the game and that's why he is at the top of the foreigen scene last few years ..
finally testie's apm will achieve a 300+ lol. not that he needs it. but it will hype up ppls opinion on his skill when they watchhim fpvod at that speed.
On October 11 2007 11:31 GMer[TOp] wrote: finally testie's apm will achieve a 300+ lol. not that he needs it. but it will hype up ppls opinion on his skill when they watchhim fpvod at that speed.
On October 11 2007 11:31 GMer[TOp] wrote: finally testie's apm will achieve a 300+ lol. not that he needs it. but it will hype up ppls opinion on his skill when they watchhim fpvod at that speed.
I said it once and ill say it again this fucking topic comes up literally every year, each year have my hopes been brought up only to be crushed a few moths later when I realize it's not gonna happen what makes this year so special?
On October 11 2007 11:31 GMer[TOp] wrote: finally testie's apm will achieve a 300+ lol. not that he needs it. but it will hype up ppls opinion on his skill when they watchhim fpvod at that speed.
What is his APM now?
like 100-200 lol
He's played with higher apm before, but I believe his comment was he plays better when he is not shooting for a high APM.... it is more about how effective your actions are; not how many you do.
Despite everyones reason for why he should or why he shouldn't go, at the end of the day Nick gets to decide whether he goes or not lol. I dont see why ppl need to put their reasoning for why he should go. None of this will persuade him to go or not to go lol.
On October 11 2007 13:54 LumberJack wrote: sigh, and it appears no one cares that he didnt win a game at wcg this year? I think he will do horribly in korea, worse than assem.
Losing to Mondragon and Savior doesn't mean a whole lot. And Assem did a great deal in Korea, so I'm not sure why you're using him in that way.
On October 11 2007 13:54 LumberJack wrote: sigh, and it appears no one cares that he didnt win a game at wcg this year? I think he will do horribly in korea, worse than assem.
pretty retarded post imho;o
edit: also, he threw the last game according to him.
On October 11 2007 13:54 LumberJack wrote: sigh, and it appears no one cares that he didnt win a game at wcg this year? I think he will do horribly in korea, worse than assem.
lumberjack: you have never said anything positive as far as i can see on this forum. for years you have shit talked people and you never once have known what you were talking about. testie's weak matchup is vs zerg. if you knew ANYTHING about him you would know that. he had probably the best 2 non korean zergs AND SAVIOR in his group. how can you say how someone will do in korea? anyone dedicated to work hard long enough can do very well in korea. i guess winning courage and beating yellow + close games with people like kingdom is pretty horrible too. thanks for your input though.
On October 11 2007 13:54 LumberJack wrote: sigh, and it appears no one cares that he didnt win a game at wcg this year? I think he will do horribly in korea, worse than assem.
lumberjack: you have never said anything positive as far as i can see on this forum. for years you have shit talked people and you never once have known what you were talking about. testie's weak matchup is vs zerg. if you knew ANYTHING about him you would know that. he had probably the best 2 non korean zergs AND SAVIOR in his group. how can you say how someone will do in korea? anyone dedicated to work hard long enough can do very well in korea. i guess winning courage and beating yellow + close games with people like kingdom is pretty horrible too. thanks for your input though.
geoff ur in the fan favorite ToT and just won wcg usa. i dont think many ppl on tl.net are gonna trash talk you anytime soon. until then i will lurk in the shadows waiting.
On October 11 2007 14:54 Artosis3 wrote: geoff ur in the fan favorite ToT and just won wcg usa. i dont think many ppl on tl.net are gonna trash talk you anytime soon. until then i will lurk in the shadows waiting.
Alright sweet babe <3
Cannot wait for the next WCG usa dan.. you me alex greg and the rest need to unleash hell this time.
i am bitter towards certain players, and probably biased negatively towards them. I was there in the beginning on cloud ladder, when testie was boasting about his 101-0 record, and i was there when liquid`ninja was the first to beat him. So yea, ive never liked him, and will never like him, but i can say with no bias, or ill-intent, that i i do not think testie has the skills to qualify for any individual pro leaugues. And, while we are being honest, i dont like you artosis or any of the media group, aka artosis clones. Youve been doing the same builds, same strats, for the last 5yrs running. And now they all do the same macro timing builds. thats my 2 cents, with that being said, i genuinely hope he does well. I hope he practices hard, makes many friends, and has a great time. I hope that he competes well and wins as many games as he can.
On October 11 2007 15:05 LumberJack wrote: i am bitter towards certain players, and probably biased negatively towards them. I was there in the beginning on cloud ladder, when testie was boasting about his 101-0 record, and i was there when liquid`ninja was the first to beat him. So yea, ive never liked him, and will never like him, but i can say with no bias, or ill-intent, that i i do not think testie has the skills to qualify for any individual pro leaugues. And, while we are being honest, i dont like you artosis or any of the media group, aka artosis clones. Youve been doing the same builds, same strats, for the last 5yrs running. And now they all do the same macro timing builds. thats my 2 cents, with that being said, i genuinely hope he does well. I hope he practices hard, makes many friends, and has a great time. I hope that he competes well and wins as many games as he can.
skill comes from practice. give up your e-Grudges. dont classify people into groups and pretend that you know what they do or what they are like. enjoy internet without being an ignorant hater.
despite the fact Assem USED to be a dick like... 5-6 years ago??? (lol). He did really well in Korea (comparatively) and I have always considered him one of my favorite USA players, and I'm just sad that he took a vacation to the USA and just never went back (I think initially he had visa troubles, and then just decided to quit progaming?).
I wish he would have participated in WCG though, he is a player who really could give the koreans a decent run for their money, given a bit of practice (assuming he would actually practice for WCG with the possibility of a 15k payoff).
Great how you guys manage to go from knowing what ppl think and do without asking them up to judging ppl that are not even here, Assem was one of the best Terran maybe with temper after a loss , he did good to his team, go and ask his teamleader or even Peter. He left Korea not because of holidays, it was the change of the visarules. There is a life after BW
On October 11 2007 18:34 Guybrush wrote: If he goes he'll do as well as the others that went after Grrrr and Elky. Chances are he'll do like Draco or Rekrul.
Draco and Rekrul? Draco did decently and won some matches. He showed how he improved in his time in Korea when he won that event in China.
Rekrul on the other hand didn't accomplish anything in Korea (at least not when in comes to Starcraft). Did he even play one match in Proleague?
On October 11 2007 23:10 Musli wrote: Draco won his 1st bo3s in both MSL and OSL quals but lost the 2nd bo3s. Did Rekrul even play in the quals or win a single game ?
On October 11 2007 15:17 Artosis3 wrote: skill comes from practice. give up your e-Grudges. dont classify people into groups and pretend that you know what they do or what they are like. enjoy internet without being an ignorant hater.
if this is true you/idra/skew wouldnt have loss to nyoken who plays phantom on east and who didnt play bw for 1 year or froz who quit bw 2 years ago and just plays 10 games to get prepared for wcg while you guys play 24/7 with your korean friends and still cant do shit kk? one day hopefully, until then keep coming on these threads like a little bitch trying to defend your friends who clearly cant speak for themselves
On October 11 2007 15:17 Artosis3 wrote: skill comes from practice. give up your e-Grudges. dont classify people into groups and pretend that you know what they do or what they are like. enjoy internet without being an ignorant hater.
if this is true you/idra/skew wouldnt have loss to nyoken who plays phantom on east and who didnt play bw for 1 year or froz who quit bw 2 years ago and just plays 10 games to get prepared for wcg while you guys play 24/7 with your korean friends and still cant do shit kk? one day hopefully, until then keep coming on these threads like a little bitch trying to defend your friends who clearly cant speak for themselves
froz plays more than 10 games... he played my korean friend in a bunch of TvT (got one of the good reps) and he said he needed 100 TvT games as practice. Nyoken is also in op tl-west late at night asking Odin[fou] to get him gosus to play.
lol, This went from a What Testie should do, to a brief apm squabble, then which foreign progamer accomplished what, to a usa player beef thread. kekeke.
On October 12 2007 01:05 LaMoj wrote: lol, This went from a What Testie should do, to a brief apm squabble, then which foreign progamer accomplished what, to a usa player beef thread. kekeke.
this always happens when media comes in and hyjacks any thread because they think their somebodys but their really little newbs who have big egos and think people actually give a fuck about what they say, but no artosis is too much of a gosu so he has all the right to come on any thread that he likes and talk shit to anyone as we saw when he was crying to smuft telling him hes not as good as a player than he is so he can his little e-confidence up
Draco and I both accomplished jack shit. 0. Nada. Nothingggggggg. Btw I did win my first round of MSL quali (one of two I got to play vs a newbie terran LOL)
And if you think winning one or two rounds of a first level qualifier is accomplishing something....or beating midas in one match at wcg is accomplishing something.....then you're pretty naive. That or you're just too used to foreigners getting butt-fucked so U wanna cling to every win they might get.
EPT
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