Why Protoss player barely have one good at offrace

yuisaka

Australia76 Posts

September 25 2021 03:08 GMT

Not talking about balance,but why so many other race players can play at pro level of Protoss but barely have any Protoss can play high level of offrace,is Protoss players dont need to play offrace to get better understanding of other race , Protoss players never think their race is harder than others make they never want to try to play offrace or Protoss just simplely tried offrace but cant?
Most Protoss players cant play offrace which is true,many(80%+) 6500+ protoss only have around 5000 mmr of other race(You can watch the stream of Protoss players play offrace/other streamer invite them to do offrace matches) and never have anytoss play offrace beats other race's top player in any tournament matches.Also hardly hear any Protoss have high MMR of offrace.
For other race,eg Maru/Scarlett/Reynor/Clem at least 6500+ mmr playing Protoss and all the player you can name almost everyone can play around 6000 MMR of protoss,eg Serral/HeRoMaRinE/Solar/Rogue/TIME/RagnaroK/Lambo/Dream/DongRaeGu/SpeCial etc,just too many to list

Anyone can tell me why?

WombaT

Northern Ireland27230 Posts

September 25 2021 03:53 GMT

I’m going to guess you have a pet theory as to why already haha.

yuisaka

Australia76 Posts

September 25 2021 03:59 GMT

On September 25 2021 12:53 WombaT wrote:
I’m going to guess you have a pet theory as to why already haha.

I dont but I think,thats why im open minded to hear I could be so wrong about the why I gave to myself

kingism

25 Posts

September 25 2021 04:32 GMT

I think its pretty agreed upon that Protoss is much easier to pick up and much easier to get to a high level of play. However, I also believe that Protoss is terrible against zerg in this current patch at the elite level (Serral has a 90% winrate consistently for over a year against protoss). So pick you poison - easy to pick up but terrible at the top top level (at least against zerg) for protoss, or hard to pick up but autowin at the top top level for zerg.

In this current patch and state of the game, I'm sure that if Serral, Reynor, Rogue or Dark played protoss, they would 100% not be able to beat their own self ever in a best of 5. This is how terrible the pvz game is right now. You basically DO NOT expect top zergs to lose to a protoss ever, end of sentence. If one of these zergs ever faces a protoss in a tournament, you can bet your ass that 99.9% of the time, they will go through to the next round. You can check the other threads to see why people think pvz is so off balance right now at the elite level.

yuisaka

Australia76 Posts

September 25 2021 04:48 GMT

On September 25 2021 13:32 kingism wrote:
I think its pretty agreed upon that Protoss is much easier to pick up and much easier to get to a high level of play. However, I also believe that Protoss is terrible against zerg in this current patch at the elite level (Serral has a 90% winrate consistently for over a year against protoss). So pick you poison - easy to pick up but terrible at the top top level (at least against zerg) for protoss, or hard to pick up but autowin at the top top level for zerg.

In this current patch and state of the game, I'm sure that if Serral, Reynor, Rogue or Dark played protoss, they would 100% not be able to beat their own self ever in a best of 5. This is how terrible the pvz game is right now. You basically DO NOT expect top zergs to lose to a protoss ever, end of sentence. If one of these zergs ever faces a protoss in a tournament, you can bet your ass that 99.9% of the time, they will go through to the next round. You can check the other threads to see why people think pvz is so off balance right now at the elite level.

Serral, Reynor, Rogue or Dark played hundred of thousand games of Zerg ,maybe thousand of Protoss,their Protoss may
or may not beat their zerg make sense,but other (not even top zerg at the time) zerg using Protoss do beat Top zerg in tournament games,also Protoss is easy at P V T.

PS: Pro level P V Z win rate is around 54%,P V T is around 52% in a year .Also if you want to compare Serral, Reynor, Rogue or Dark's V P win rate you have to get Zest/Trap/Stats which they have very close win rate facing each others.
Datas from http://aligulac.com/ Date From 25-09-2020 to 25-09-2021 last year
23：16 Serral: Zest/Trap/Stats
27：25 Reynor: Zest/Trap/Stats
27：33 Dark: Zest/Trap/Stats
53：72 Rogue: Zest/Trap/Stats
Total top4 vs top 3
130:146
about 47% Z V P win rates

Protoss have more win rate than ZERG (I dont even think of it but when I check) So "but terrible at the top top level " doesnt make sense to me and you didnt even mention P V T I think you know P V T is easy even at toptop level

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37099 Posts

September 25 2021 05:40 GMT

Look, I'm sorry but I need to close this thread. This thread is also a balance whine. I don't think you understand what balance whine means... I can tell you're trying, but you need to try harder. Study how people post on TL more and try to understand the rhythm and flow of how things work around here. I won't mod action you this time, but you really need to stop letting everything devolve into balance whine.

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