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Rubicant1
Profile Joined October 2019
115 Posts
July 29 2020 22:33 GMT
#21
Oh boy, the world definitely needed more of this.
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
July 29 2020 22:41 GMT
#22
is there any option to hide this kind of thread?
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
July 29 2020 22:53 GMT
#23
serral lost to innovation who lost to DRG

DRG GOAT
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
July 29 2020 22:59 GMT
#24
On July 30 2020 06:23 Wombat_NI wrote:
I’m one of those boring fellows that thinks unless you have such a clear outlier like a Wayne Gretzky Mario Lemieux, you can’t really have a definitive GOAT, merely hope to be part of the conversation.
You spelled Mario Lemieux wrong there bud. FTFY.
ImbaVation
Profile Joined May 2018
8 Posts
July 29 2020 23:01 GMT
#25
People have always overlooked the fact that these 'very best koreans' are pretty much all past the retirement age had there been new blood like the BW era.
ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
200 Posts
July 29 2020 23:35 GMT
#26
[/QUOTE]
what about Serral's crushing defeats to Maru and Classic in 2018. Or don't you count them because he "wasn't at his peak yet" while at the same time counting for some reason Inno's defeat to DRG when he is clearly beyond his peak as well?[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming you're talking about WESG and IEM in March of 2018.

1) That was 2 and a half years ago -- being able to name 2 "crushing defeats" over the course of two and a half years isn't really proof that Serral isn't extremely consistent.

2) At IEM, he lost to Classic in the semifinals, one of the best Protoss of all time. Rough because it was a 3-0 defeat and Classic went on to get swept in the Finals, but it was a semifinal finish! He beat Trap in the quarterfinals! Inno lost in the group stages of that tournament! Zest went 1-4 in the group stage! (A group stage Serral went 5-0 in.) Dark lost to Trap right before Serral beat Trap!

3) At WESG, Maru 3-0ed him, then Serral went on to beat Classic in the 3rd place match right after that.

I mean, unless I'm forgetting some tournaments where Serral has been bopped out in the early rounds or the group stages, 2 semifinal losses to Code S champions two and a half years ago isn't the best argument that he's an almost impossibly consistent player.

And FWIW I'm a huge Inno fan and think he's playing as well as he ever has, he plays in everything, is always a threat, his mechanics are as beastly as ever and now he's got all these new tricks up his sleeve, but that's just me.
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
July 29 2020 23:35 GMT
#27
this is a pointlesss thread.
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 30 2020 00:16 GMT
#28
Serral is outdated. Reynor is the GOAT now.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
AM_
Profile Joined July 2020
1 Post
July 30 2020 01:24 GMT
#29
The opening post isn't even the most offensive part of this thread. The foreigner bias in full effect as usual on TL forums.

"the other GOAT candidates are MVP, Innovation, Maru, and Rogue" - huh? Rogue??! What are you talking about dude? Literally one (now two after beating Dream) Top 4 GSL result in 6 years, what exactly has he done aside from proxy hatching Classic one time in Proleague? The only time he's been good is when zerg has been OP (which he even admitted) and he hasn't even been that good. Maybe top 5 zerg and that's questionable at best.

"in my opinion the tool of measurement for us is the Global Finals" - you mean the same ones where we've seen Special, Elazer, and Bomber make Top 3 despite having <50% career win percentages against Koreans offline? Special who barely makes it out of R24 in GSL? The Global Finals where Jaedong and Creator make the Finals? Yeah ok buddy. Apparently we all should bow down to sOs for winning two...

"Inno got 3-0ed yesterday in the Ro8.", "Maru went 0-4 in his Ro16 group" - Recency bias much? Two matches wipe out the careers of the two greatest terrans to ever play the game, both who had unbelievable results during Kespa and have the most starleagues out of anyone.

"the APM Maru's insane multitasking-intensive style demands makes it hard for him to play his best game," - Yeah it was def hard during those four GSL titles in a row

"Rogue and others did (Taeja/Life" - Rogue again smh...Taeja's best GSL result was a 1-4 drubbing against RorO. Next people going to be name dropping Polt. And who tf is Life?

"I think people overrate GSLs" you're right people overrate the hardest tournament to win where the pros spend an entire week studying their matchup and usually show up in top form. We should put more emphasis on Homestory Cup where everyone plays at TaKe's house and Zest shows up drunk. And let's forget about total starleague wins, win percentages, Proleague and balance too. No one cares about those.

"Reynor is the GOAT now." - Achieving GOAT status was easy. Forget trying to beat Koreans in offline tournaments more than 50% of the time.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 30 2020 01:30 GMT
#30
No one is GOAT. A true GOAT wins with random.
gg no re thx
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
July 30 2020 01:32 GMT
#31
1) No. Serral is not the GOAT of SC2.
2) This thread can't lead to anything good, so I'm closing it now.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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