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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22667 Posts
September 21 2018 18:39 GMT
#9181
I wouldnt be playing WoW if I didn't have a nice guild to be in.
f*** pugs.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 21 2018 19:26 GMT
#9182
On September 22 2018 03:14 farvacola wrote:
Sounds about right to me, the shittiness of PUGs is really killing my enthusiasm to play.

On September 22 2018 01:36 TheEmulator wrote:
You should look for a decent guild nony. farvacola.

I can take that responsibility.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
September 21 2018 19:28 GMT
#9183
Lol yeah......gonna troll for a guild this weekend I think :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
September 21 2018 19:42 GMT
#9184
I seem to be the owner of Fluid still :p
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 20:17:40
September 21 2018 20:16 GMT
#9185
On September 22 2018 01:36 TheEmulator wrote:
You should look for a decent guild nony.

I just can't commit to a regular schedule. And the vast majority of guilds raid too late at night for me, even though I'm on the west coast, since I go to bed really early. I do have a loose collection of friends who are active and I think we're gonna actually all try to do heroic uldir on Sundays. If I can make it w/ them then that'll be nice. I have a static group for mythic+ so that's the primary thing I do.

On September 22 2018 01:25 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 00:54 NonY wrote:
On September 22 2018 00:30 Slaughter wrote:
I can't even find a group that is good enough to clear Zul lol.

Yeah I have only one Zul kill. Wasted a lot of time on that too.


Didnt you get that when we were in the same grp? That wasnt so bad.

Or you mean you had been trying before that?

Ive been lucky in terms of time spent. I didnt really try the first couple of weeks because pugs are pretty raw. I think a month odd in HC pug clears on the more regular grps shud be pretty easy.

In the meantime,There plenty of gear on high keys. Honestly the Raid gear isn't all that impressive now that tier sets arent a thing.

+ Show Spoiler +
FYI, the second you left on Myth tanks started dieing.. I made a point to let them know what the reason was.


Im definately gonna try to get Mythrax this week atleast, it drops my best Azerite piece. which is my biggest upgrade atm, that and pvp trinkets

Yeah I had spent time in various groups over the weeks before that group we had together. Also that group was the most egregious example of healers not knowing what they're doing. I can't believe someone would use a raid cooldown to heal fall damage. And when we're wiping repeatedly because tanks are dying, none of the healers would change talents or change playstyle or anything. Just doing the only talents and rotation they know for general raid heals while tanks are dying and the DPS doing mechanics need spot heals.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
September 21 2018 20:17 GMT
#9186
On September 22 2018 04:42 micronesia wrote:
I seem to be the owner of Fluid still :p

TL guild reboot inc? Teehee
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
September 21 2018 20:21 GMT
#9187
For me the bad thing about pugs are the ones where you get toxic people. Especially with voice coms 1 guy can kill a group if they are the RL or the RL doesn't kick them soon enough.
Never Knows Best.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-21 20:23:16
September 21 2018 20:23 GMT
#9188
On September 22 2018 02:16 Cyro wrote:
I pugged Zul and Mythrax twice each, haven't got a pug that scratched G'huun yet. They always seem to spend half an hour assigning orbs and then testing orb groups, some people screw it up and disband lol

I think I got lucky with G'huun. Although not totally luck since we were pulling for 7 hours. I lost a ton of sleep to do it cuz it was a good group and I was having fun. But there was a core group of people who were good players and over time we found reliable orb runners. We had a good strategy and a good person making the calls and giving reminders. So it was just a matter of time before we had a pull where nobody made a stupid mistake.

At this point though, a lot of shit groups and shit players can make it to Zul and Mythrax and it's a roadblock. These same players would have no chance on G'huun. I think the quality of pugs you have access to is probably a bit better than what I get with NA alliance and the time of day I play.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
September 21 2018 21:24 GMT
#9189
On September 22 2018 05:16 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 01:36 TheEmulator wrote:
You should look for a decent guild nony.

I just can't commit to a regular schedule. And the vast majority of guilds raid too late at night for me, even though I'm on the west coast, since I go to bed really early. I do have a loose collection of friends who are active and I think we're gonna actually all try to do heroic uldir on Sundays. If I can make it w/ them then that'll be nice. I have a static group for mythic+ so that's the primary thing I do.

Fair enough. That's pretty much why I'm mostly pugging on my main as well, and I'm gonna start joining in on my friends casual raid (they call it a struggle raid) on my alt once in a while when I have time
Administrator
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 22 2018 01:31 GMT
#9190
omg I did 37.8k HPS on a trash pull temple +8

there's a teeming pack of the elemental guys before galvazzt that we couldnt cc at all

averaged 17.2k for the dungeon
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
September 22 2018 01:38 GMT
#9191
On September 22 2018 10:31 NonY wrote:
omg I did 37.8k HPS on a trash pull temple +8

there's a teeming pack of the elemental guys before galvazzt that we couldnt cc at all

averaged 17.2k for the dungeon


I pulled 16k in an atal 8 today. I had a DH yell at me because he pulled the priestess trash in front of the boss without any active mitigation and died in under 2s.

I told him he needed to go into the pull with AM up because otherwise hes getting hit by 8 mobs in the face without it up before he even attempted to put it up.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-22 11:07:28
September 22 2018 06:31 GMT
#9192
On September 22 2018 05:21 Slaughter wrote:
For me the bad thing about pugs are the ones where you get toxic people. Especially with voice coms 1 guy can kill a group if they are the RL or the RL doesn't kick them soon enough.


I feel pretty much the same way about guilds. The behavior in many primarily-mythic-raiding level guilds and the general maturity level of their players leaves a lot to be desired and i don't think it's worth giving up a portion of your life to have a bad time with a group because most of the people in there are tolerating some loud assholes. It's much more difficult to avoid that section of the population in a 20 man mythic environment than it is in 5-10 man!

Some tuning news:

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1101836-prot-warriors-in-81/
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1101837-azerite-has-failed-for-now/

"We agree that the trait imbalance is a real problem right now. We made a bunch of tuning adjustments last week, and have more planned for the very near future (primarily focused on buffing underperforming traits). We see this as the source of most of the frustrations with the system; if the delta between your best and worst traits wasn't so big, it'd be less frustrating when a piece of Azerite armor doesn't have your best trait on it."

The level of imbalance going into the expansion was bizarre; some of our traits were 4-5 times more powerful than others

---

They nerfed the insane pack in underrot! Just did it ez, there aren't two matrons at both sides any more.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9htwer/theres_no_wall_blocking_thandol_span_in_battle/?sort=top lol
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-22 14:53:53
September 22 2018 14:50 GMT
#9193
On September 22 2018 15:31 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 05:21 Slaughter wrote:
For me the bad thing about pugs are the ones where you get toxic people. Especially with voice coms 1 guy can kill a group if they are the RL or the RL doesn't kick them soon enough.


I feel pretty much the same way about guilds. The behavior in many primarily-mythic-raiding level guilds and the general maturity level of their players leaves a lot to be desired and i don't think it's worth giving up a portion of your life to have a bad time with a group because most of the people in there are tolerating some loud assholes. It's much more difficult to avoid that section of the population in a 20 man mythic environment than it is in 5-10 man!


My experience has always been very different, but I have also been very careful and lucky I guess.

I loved the raiding experience itself with my guild. Fantastically mature environment, skilled players, no fighting or arguing, if the core is mature then assholes get shutdown anyway.

Like if I go want to go back to raiding I would lvl and gear a class they need just so I could go back and play with them.

Its everything else part that I got tired off. + Show Spoiler +
Its funny because when I was chasing top 30-40 back in the day 5 days was so easy. Skip classes, sit for fucking 2-3 days on end post expo release, spam dungeons farm and what not, Now I balk at even committing 6 hours a week.



On September 22 2018 10:31 NonY wrote:
omg I did 37.8k HPS on a trash pull temple +8

there's a teeming pack of the elemental guys before galvazzt that we couldnt cc at all

averaged 17.2k for the dungeon


yeah Ive done that, we used all our cds to bring it down + personal defensives pretty quick. Didnt even bother trying without, But then we were naked for the boss spawn lol

Even 8s feel so hard with pugs this week.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-22 16:24:34
September 22 2018 16:22 GMT
#9194
i still dont have curve. every single ghuun group i join has one or two really good tries down to 5-10%, then people immediately start failing at orb running in the next 5 tries. every try someone has to be replaced until the group is so bad that everyone just leaves.
In my last group we had beam in p2 before the first feast, thats how fast the orb runners were. We got him to 20% then wiped, on the first pull. The next pull we told the 6th runner to wait until second feast, so he just died to dot dmg while waiting upstairs. We switched his position so the heal monk is last because he can heal himself, but a lock left and the new lock placed the gate wrong so the same guy failed again on his orb duty. Next try gate was correct but the tank managed to get mind controlled by the dark young. We wipe kick the tank, some people start leaving. Group disbands without ever seeing p2 again after first pull.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 22 2018 20:49 GMT
#9195
On September 22 2018 06:24 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 05:16 NonY wrote:
On September 22 2018 01:36 TheEmulator wrote:
You should look for a decent guild nony.

I just can't commit to a regular schedule. And the vast majority of guilds raid too late at night for me, even though I'm on the west coast, since I go to bed really early. I do have a loose collection of friends who are active and I think we're gonna actually all try to do heroic uldir on Sundays. If I can make it w/ them then that'll be nice. I have a static group for mythic+ so that's the primary thing I do.

Fair enough. That's pretty much why I'm mostly pugging on my main as well, and I'm gonna start joining in on my friends casual raid (they call it a struggle raid) on my alt once in a while when I have time


wish I had you on btag
ffxiv enjoyer
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
September 23 2018 05:04 GMT
#9196
I wish there was a TL guild for me to join, I hate thinking about joining guilds 'cause Im always worried about the type of people I'll meet, at least I know I mostly like the type of person on TL/in this thread.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
September 23 2018 06:39 GMT
#9197
On September 23 2018 05:49 Stancel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2018 06:24 TheEmulator wrote:
On September 22 2018 05:16 NonY wrote:
On September 22 2018 01:36 TheEmulator wrote:
You should look for a decent guild nony.

I just can't commit to a regular schedule. And the vast majority of guilds raid too late at night for me, even though I'm on the west coast, since I go to bed really early. I do have a loose collection of friends who are active and I think we're gonna actually all try to do heroic uldir on Sundays. If I can make it w/ them then that'll be nice. I have a static group for mythic+ so that's the primary thing I do.

Fair enough. That's pretty much why I'm mostly pugging on my main as well, and I'm gonna start joining in on my friends casual raid (they call it a struggle raid) on my alt once in a while when I have time


wish I had you on btag

TheEmulator@1865
Administrator
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
September 23 2018 09:09 GMT
#9198
H ghuun pugs is a balance between pull fatigue and new/replacement getting used to boss. If the raid leader doesn't cut people who don't perform it's unlikely you'll clear. Unless you want the experience or see hope it's pointless to stay in it. Pugs also underestimate phase 3 thinking it's cake once you get there - it is if everyone is experienced, not so much in a pug.
Stuck.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-23 11:14:03
September 23 2018 11:08 GMT
#9199
I guess Ghuun is one of those bosses where the difference between pug and guild raid is way bigger, probably because of the orbs.

The boss never felt difficult to me, actually several other bosses in the raid are harder for us.

Btw in case you have not done it yet first Mythic boss is completely free, should be very pugable.
Off-season = best season
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-23 12:55:47
September 23 2018 11:27 GMT
#9200
I've gotta start farming MOTHER M for the BIS weapons

I guess Ghuun is one of those bosses where the difference between pug and guild raid is way bigger, probably because of the orbs.


Personal responsibility! Voice chat also helps a lot, it can be tricky to keep a good picture of what's happening in the fight when you can't see the orbs or orb runners. I needed to hunt down a specific WA for orb timers after fucking up my guesses for the 5'th time.

--

Apparently Helya is still alive... wat
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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