He will be joining the media aspect of ItsGosu in the first place. How ever his focus is to keep growing in the sc2 scene as a player and reach gm on the North American ladder. He will be on the player roster and will be playing for ItsGoSu in tournaments.
Thanks guys! We got a lot of cool stuff coming in 2013 for the fans! Feels good to be back on a team and working with management from Xsix. I feel like this is a perfect fit for me. Thanks guys
Gee, Pokebunny is such a nice boy. It's a pity he'll be teamless within six months from now...
=^.^=
OK, just kidding. I think it's a good team for him to develop in. A few rather high quality players he can learn from, but it's not a high profile team such as EG or Liquid, where he'd be completely overshadowed. I believe he made a good decision and both sides will benefit. The most important think, in my opinion, is that his team not put too much pressure on him regarding his tournament results. ROOT would also be a reasonable choice, but if I were in his shoes, I'd probably go for Gosu, too.
On December 21 2012 10:29 shinyA wrote: media personality, probably making more than any player on the team; probably more than any player on 90% of NA teams.
Don't think so. I'm not in the habit of looking into other people's bank accounts, but if I had to guess, I'd say your statement is false. At least as far as his salary from the team is concerned. Hearing how he described the deal, I think it's a lot more about the extra-financial support the team will give him.
On December 21 2012 10:29 shinyA wrote: media personality, probably making more than any player on the team; probably more than any player on 90% of NA teams.
Don't think so. I'm not in the habit of looking into other people's bank accounts, but if I had to guess, I'd say your statement is false. At least as far as his salary from the team is concerned. Hearing how he described the deal, I think it's a lot more about the extra-financial support the team will give him.
Ever seen his stream? His entire channel along with LAGTV is supported by viewer donations. People have given him thousands (literally, a dude gave him $1337.00 a few weeks back since the guy said he would after a year of the military). His stream community is very tight-knit and all the little donations they give add up. Unlike most chats, you can go on his and have a conversation because so many of the viewers are regulars.
On December 21 2012 10:29 shinyA wrote: media personality, probably making more than any player on the team; probably more than any player on 90% of NA teams.
Don't think so. I'm not in the habit of looking into other people's bank accounts, but if I had to guess, I'd say your statement is false. At least as far as his salary from the team is concerned. Hearing how he described the deal, I think it's a lot more about the extra-financial support the team will give him.
Ever seen his stream? His entire channel along with LAGTV is supported by viewer donations. People have given him thousands (literally, a dude gave him $1337.00 a few weeks back since the guy said he would after a year of the military). His stream community is very tight-knit and all the little donations they give add up. Unlike most chats, you can go on his and have a conversation because so many of the viewers are regulars.
Allow me to paraphrase you: have you ever even read my post? You are talking about his total earnings. I'm talking about his salary on his new team.
By the way, yes, I have seen his stream. In fact, I donate money myself every now and again.
On December 21 2012 10:29 shinyA wrote: media personality, probably making more than any player on the team; probably more than any player on 90% of NA teams.
Don't think so. I'm not in the habit of looking into other people's bank accounts, but if I had to guess, I'd say your statement is false. At least as far as his salary from the team is concerned. Hearing how he described the deal, I think it's a lot more about the extra-financial support the team will give him.
Ever seen his stream? His entire channel along with LAGTV is supported by viewer donations. People have given him thousands (literally, a dude gave him $1337.00 a few weeks back since the guy said he would after a year of the military). His stream community is very tight-knit and all the little donations they give add up. Unlike most chats, you can go on his and have a conversation because so many of the viewers are regulars.
Allow me to paraphrase you: have you ever even read my post? You are talking about his total earnings. I'm talking about his salary on his new team.
By the way, yes, I have seen his stream. In fact, I donate money myself every now and again.
Sorry, I misread. I was thinking of the whole picture, not just team salary.
Disband of ItsGoSu incoming. That's what I'm hoping at least. But I'm pretty confident of this since MaximusBlack has a 100 percent ratio on killing off the teams he has been on. Not too surprising actually since only teams which are in need of some cheap media attention pick him up anyway. Why else would you pick-up an NA midmaster player who has been streaming for month without a tiny bit of progress. It is actually beyond me how up to 1500 people can be watching a stream of him going for all-ins on the ladder or playing some random casual games. Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
The most retarded people are the ones actually donating money. They really have to lack a chminey...... Why not give it to decent actually hard working pros who struggle to make a buck but keep the level of sc2 high by grinding tons of games on the ladder.
On December 21 2012 10:53 NeutralDepot wrote: Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
And why not? If someone wants to buy it...?
You've got as much right to look down on those people as they have the right to choose the entertainment that suits them best.
On December 21 2012 10:53 NeutralDepot wrote: Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
And why not? If someone wants to buy it...?
You've got as much right to look down on those people as they have the right to choose the entertainment that suits them best.
Imagine the scene would be composed of 100% MaximusBlacks. We would have a game not worth watching or playing. Supporting somebody like him is promoting this. And that's not all: Of course he is free to stream whatever he wants but why for gods sake is he featured on teamliquid? He's done nothing for the progress of SC2 and half of the time he is not even playing SC2 on his stream....so why is he featured?
On December 21 2012 10:54 ReachTheSky wrote: I didn't even know It's Gosu was still a team. Haven't heard anything at all from them in months, not to mention most of their roster is gone.
I've been clearing the roster to make room for new blood, more announcements to come!
On December 21 2012 10:29 shinyA wrote: media personality, probably making more than any player on the team; probably more than any player on 90% of NA teams.
Don't think so. I'm not in the habit of looking into other people's bank accounts, but if I had to guess, I'd say your statement is false. At least as far as his salary from the team is concerned. Hearing how he described the deal, I think it's a lot more about the extra-financial support the team will give him.
I'd be curious to know what you think the salary of the other players on the team are.
On December 21 2012 10:20 AceHigh. wrote: Gee, Pokebunny is such a nice boy. It's a pity he'll be teamless within six months from now...
=^.^=
OK, just kidding. I think it's a good team for him to develop in. A few rather high quality players he can learn from, but it's not a high profile team such as EG or Liquid, where he'd be completely overshadowed. I believe he made a good decision and both sides will benefit. The most important think, in my opinion, is that his team not put too much pressure on him regarding his tournament results. ROOT would also be a reasonable choice, but if I were in his shoes, I'd probably go for Gosu, too.
On December 21 2012 10:53 NeutralDepot wrote: Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
And why not? If someone wants to buy it...?
You've got as much right to look down on those people as they have the right to choose the entertainment that suits them best.
Imagine the scene would be composed of 100% MaximusBlack. We would have a game not worth watching or playing. Supporting somebody like him is promoting this.
OK, I agree with you here. I wouldn't want the scene to be 100% MaximusBlack. But I also wouldn't want 100% IdrA, 100% WhiteRa (well, at least people would be nice to one another) or 100% MC. Professional sports requires the presence of people who stand out, either naturally or by putting on an act. And apparently, there are people to whom MaximusBlack appeals, and I'm one of them (to an extent, cause I honestly sometimes ragequit his stream), so... let them have their pick.
This kind of goes back to the whole Check Six disbanding thing. Teams that need to pick up people like MaximusBlack are teams that need the exposure that a personality bring but teams like EG and TL know how to make players personalities, aka market their players. When you can't market your players and have to rely on people like MB then you know you're in a bad spot. Not to mention it's terrible for players who are actually good at the game and put time and effort into getting that good to be overlooked because someone with no skill and a popular stream.
On December 21 2012 10:53 NeutralDepot wrote: Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
And why not? If someone wants to buy it...?
You've got as much right to look down on those people as they have the right to choose the entertainment that suits them best.
Imagine the scene would be composed of 100% MaximusBlack. We would have a game not worth watching or playing. Supporting somebody like him is promoting this.
OK, I agree with you here. I wouldn't want the scene to be 100% MaximusBlack. But I also wouldn't want 100% IdrA, 100% WhiteRa (well, at least people would be nice to one another) or 100% MC. Professional sports requires the presence of people who stand out, either naturally or by putting on an act. And apparently, there are people to whom MaximusBlack appeals, and I'm one of them (to an extent, cause I honestly sometimes ragequit his stream), so... let them have their pick.
As I said he is free to do whatever he wants. That doesn't explain at all though why people feel the need to donate money to him instead of giving it to players who actually DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE. I also watched his stream in the beginning because he had pretty high ambtions. I have no idea what is even remotely entertaining about him. Aside from cheesy mediocre play he talks down everybody who beats him because everything is OP that is not protoss. I genuinely quit his stream and never come back after seeing him going for some completely retarded ballsack ceremony in which he put a teabag on his pants and held it in the camera.
People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him. I dra for example has the bm and the rage but he also has remarkable skill. MaximusBlack has....welll...nothing.
On December 21 2012 11:06 shinyA wrote: This kind of goes back to the whole Check Six disbanding thing. Teams that need to pick up people like MaximusBlack are teams that need the exposure that a personality bring but teams like EG and TL know how to make players personalities, aka market their players. When you can't market your players and have to rely on people like MB then you know you're in a bad spot. Not to mention it's terrible for players who are actually good at the game and put time and effort into getting that good to be overlooked because someone with no skill and a popular stream.
Gladly though the free market goes to show. Every team he has been on has disbanded. Hopefully itsGosu will be no exception.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
On December 21 2012 11:13 NeutralDepot wrote: Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him?
Well, for the reason I've mentioned. Because it appeals to them. Some appreciate his skill (trust me, when you're in bronze, you appreciate this level of skill), some like his humour and find it genuinely amusing, others laugh at him, yet others like his dedication to what he's doing (that would be me), his marketing talents or whatever else. To sum it all up, not that many people value him as a player. It's more about his personality, one way or another. However, they do value him, so they donate. You would have to ask not 'why are people donating', but rather 'why do people like him well enough to donate'. And the answer would be, in my opinion, because he fits their (or our, I should say) taste. Even if sometimes I honestly find his behaviour on the pathetic side of bad.
Oh, and 20,000 USD per month is 700 per day. Sure, there are such days. There are even better ones. But most are way below this.
I know i may get flack for this but i'm definitely not alone in saying that I don't like MaximusBlack. Personally i find him fake and a bm douche in game. ItsGosu just picked up an anti fan. Doesn't matter who's playing against them. It could be the Westboro baptist church team and i will still cheer for them over it's gosu. Poor signing.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
Because they want to. It's their money, and they want to give it to him.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
Not everyone is so "support e-sports by only watching good players" minded though, some just want entertainment, in which case it doesn't matter if its SC2. I mean you must have noticed TL is more than just SC2, it has sub-forums catering to gamers for a variety of big games (Dota, LoL, probably a few other smaller ones in the sports & games area, like Eve online).
Besides that, I mean they obviously watch him for a reason and donate for a reason, if its not his skill it must be his personality regardless of how childish you think it might be. Its all subjective right? There are people out there who would find him childish and bad, and those who find him loveable. Just like there are people who hate my little pony and its fanbase and those who love the show. It may seem bizarre or impossible for you to like him but that doesn't mean it must be true for everyone else. Just accept we all have different tastes!
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
People donate to him because he was just a regular guy pursuing his dream, tirelessly and relentlessly. He has put in a lot of work and sacrificed a lot to get to the point he's at now and people recognize that and appreciate it. You are seriously misinformed if you think he doesn't work just as hard as other streamers and people doing what he does.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote: People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Am I not allowed to entertain myself? Is it wrong that someone makes their living doing what they love? Look I'm not here as a white knight for the Bouse, I don't need to be. At least he can stand and say that he is doing what he truly loves to do. To try and knock somebody for that just makes you look like the clown. So, please, go be a joke elsewhere. I'll be over here, playing the game I love, watching I personality that I enjoy.
On December 21 2012 11:38 Akamu wrote: ItsGosu just picked up an anti fan. Doesn't matter who's playing against them. It could be the Westboro baptist church team and i will still cheer for them over it's gosu.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
People donate to him because he was just a regular guy pursuing his dream, tirelessly and relentlessly. He has put in a lot of work and sacrificed a lot to get to the point he's at now and people recognize that and appreciate it. You are seriously misinformed if you think he doesn't work just as hard as other streamers and people doing what he does.
That's probably why there are haters, because that's not exactly a rare thing. The thing is, in a largely introverted endeavor, the more extroverted you act, the more of a following you can command. Compare incontrol and machine's results and their following, as an example. In theory, most people could do what people like black do. But, they would probably rather not, as they would no longer be "themselves." In this community, even if you don't think of Diamond league as being good, that's still better than 80% of people. So, not only can people gain entertainment value from black but around 98% can still be impressed by his play, even if a lot of people in this community could do what he does, in theory.
With a pickup like black, you should kinda see it as a company picking up someone that specializes in promotion. There are different aspects/components of a team/business, and it would probably be foolish to not have someone like black. Look at current viewers for streams. Maximusblack has more views than minigun and demuslim, combined. How many players are even available that are better than either of those players? Probably 0, at least non Koreans. A few more ladder spots above black isn't going to give sponsors more bang for their buck.
What ultimately concerns me though, as someone that has made like 1 facebook status in the past 6 years, is if this same concept applies for aspiring pros, too. Eg., if you're not really active on twitter and etc, will you always be passed over for the player that can generate more sponsor exposure? If that becomes the climate for gamers, then that's really unfortunate and new promotional ideas need to be conceived.
All this hate, lol! Fact of the matter is that Black is a extremely entertaining streamer. Chain mail Jedi sword fight anyone? And he's got the balls to pursue a passion of his. Which is rare these days. You can't crap on someone for that. And he's made good progress with SC2. And ya, best of luck to It'sGosu. They're thinking it out and doing some interesting changes that could make something happen.
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote:People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Yes. But why are people donating signifcant amounts of money to him? MaximusBlack probably receives about 20k a month from donations alone. And 20k is like a really signifcant amount in SC2. To get that kind of money you have to win a huge tournament against the best players in the world otherwise.
People donate to him because he was just a regular guy pursuing his dream, tirelessly and relentlessly. He has put in a lot of work and sacrificed a lot to get to the point he's at now and people recognize that and appreciate it. You are seriously misinformed if you think he doesn't work just as hard as other streamers and people doing what he does.
He working REALLY hard. He streams 8 hours or more per day 5 days a week (sometimes more than 5 days from what I have seen), the entire time he interacts with his audience and even does so while playing the game,he records even more hours of content by himself and with Adam for Youtube, edits said hours of videos for youtube for multiple channels (From what I remember he and Adam both do the editing for LAGTV and LAGTV2 though I could be wrong), and works his butt off at getting better at SC2. He has made it to the top of Master League quite fast and is becoming a really solid player, and now he will be getting coaching from his new team. I would argue he works as hard, or harder than most pros. Plus he just moved into a house he bought through all his hard work, plus he has a fiance. He has even more coming up on the table including a League of Legends tournament-type-thing he is running, he is hoping to start a bunch of Razer promotion stuff, and all that is along with his regular content.
He recently talked about how amazing the last 2 years have been for him and how much his whole life has changed. Even if you don't like him personally, you have to give him credit for how hard he works.
So many haters towards someone that is just trying to make a living on something he loves. He gets the followers because he is an entertainer.... 99% of the pros are plain boring to watch and have the personality of Jeffs cat. I love SC2 and I understand the dynamics of eSports.... SC2 needs exposure (as do the teams), Jeff does this. Period.
Also most people can relate to Jeff.... not to a pro. He lets people into his personal life and its been an adventure from the start. If I had to donate to any one player in SC2 it would be him....
Good Luck Jeff, hope Gosu helps you out as much as you do them.
You guys are really insulting anyone that played broodwar. A lot of people were doing similar things without receiving anything in compensation. I couldn't even imagine how much easier it would be to do that if you were actually receiving money for it. If you're working and actually getting paid, be it donations or w/e, big whoop. A lot of people work 8-5's. It's a lot easier to do something your passionate about than not, especially when it can work out financially. To try to go pro you have to play a lot. Some make it, a lot more don't. Not everyone blogs about it/streams it, though. You should focus more on him being a good entertainer that is better than 98% of people, rather than acting as if he is doing something noble and rare.
I guess this is a situation where I differ from a lot of people. I don't watch Sc2 pro's for their personality or what they do on stream that doesn't relate to their gameplay. I watch them (mostly Koreans but some foreigners) because I am entertained by seeing people doing things in-game in SC2 that I can only dream of doing. I could care less if they don't talk or interact with viewers or if they even speak English at all.
That's why I don't get why guys like MaximusBlack are popular. If I want to be entertained in a more "casual" way, so to speak, I'll just watch TV or hang out with friends.
On December 21 2012 15:44 Fliparoni wrote: I guess this is a situation where I differ from a lot of people. I don't watch Sc2 pro's for their personality or what they do on stream that doesn't relate to their gameplay. I watch them (mostly Koreans but some foreigners) because I am entertained by seeing people doing things in-game in SC2 that I can only dream of doing. I could care less if they don't talk or interact with viewers or if they even speak English at all.
That's why I don't get why guys like MaximusBlack are popular. If I want to be entertained in a more "casual" way, so to speak, I'll just watch TV or hang out with friends.
To each his own I suppose.
I fully, fully agree. Maximus isn't even a particularly good player - he's decidedly mediocre. And frankly, I don't watch starcraft to watch mediocre players.
Feels like this guy should be way better than he actually is in terms of skill for how much hes put into practice and so many ladder games over the past year. He's been coached by pros (like when he was being coached by desrow in person for a good while), etc.. Should be like a minimum of top 5 masters/low-gm at this point.
Very good. I don't follow Maximus very much, but when I am do, I am well entertained.
edit: Too much negativity in the thread for my taste. Not everyone can be a top player. It's also not always about the play, but the personality and the overall content quality.
Ah well it's nice that he is able to learn something, while Gosu get the extra exposure (1k + viewers of the stream). I watch the stream on a regular basis mainly because of the lack of other protoss streams If Naniwa or elfi is online i'll prefer that because of the quality of play. MB is a mediocre player who even yesterday falls back to his 4gate all-inns when he loses a few times. He is way way way way far off the level of play of the top 20 protoss players. Other stunning thing...not watching his own replays.. -_-' didnt see a single game where he would watch what he did wrong.
Let's hope he can improve his game, otherwise he is mainly on the team for exposure.
On December 21 2012 16:34 Enzymatic wrote: Feels like this guy should be way better than he actually is in terms of skill for how much hes put into practice and so many ladder games over the past year. He's been coached by pros (like when he was being coached by desrow in person for a good while), etc.. Should be like a minimum of top 5 masters/low-gm at this point.
MB might not be the best player, but he has one HELL of a personality. I watch his stream occasionally and there's not been a dull moment. If you watch streams to improve your gameplay, then perhaps MB's stream isn't for you, unless you're in the lower leagues. But if you just want to chill out and have a good time, his stream is the ONLY stream you can do so. There's literally no competition for what he does. Entertain.
While you have hundreds of pros/semi-pros competing for the same kind of viewer base, MB doesn't have to worry because his viewers are loyal to the CORE. He has a perfect niche which he's managed to capitalize on.
Anyway, I also wouldn't count MB out as a potential player. He'll never play in the GSL or place very highly in any major tournament, but with his work ethic (plays 6 hours a day) he definitely has what it takes to be a respectable contender.
On December 21 2012 10:53 NeutralDepot wrote: Must be the same thing like pop music. Shit sells for gold as long as there are retarted people who hype it up.
And why not? If someone wants to buy it...?
You've got as much right to look down on those people as they have the right to choose the entertainment that suits them best.
Imagine the scene would be composed of 100% MaximusBlack. We would have a game not worth watching or playing. Supporting somebody like him is promoting this.
OK, I agree with you here. I wouldn't want the scene to be 100% MaximusBlack. But I also wouldn't want 100% IdrA, 100% WhiteRa (well, at least people would be nice to one another) or 100% MC. Professional sports requires the presence of people who stand out, either naturally or by putting on an act. And apparently, there are people to whom MaximusBlack appeals, and I'm one of them (to an extent, cause I honestly sometimes ragequit his stream), so... let them have their pick.
As I said he is free to do whatever he wants. That doesn't explain at all though why people feel the need to donate money to him instead of giving it to players who actually DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE. I also watched his stream in the beginning because he had pretty high ambtions. I have no idea what is even remotely entertaining about him. Aside from cheesy mediocre play he talks down everybody who beats him because everything is OP that is not protoss. I genuinely quit his stream and never come back after seeing him going for some completely retarded ballsack ceremony in which he put a teabag on his pants and held it in the camera.
People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him. I dra for example has the bm and the rage but he also has remarkable skill. MaximusBlack has....welll...nothing.
People have different opinions on things. Mindblowing, isn't it.
On December 21 2012 15:44 Fliparoni wrote: I guess this is a situation where I differ from a lot of people. I don't watch Sc2 pro's for their personality or what they do on stream that doesn't relate to their gameplay. I watch them (mostly Koreans but some foreigners) because I am entertained by seeing people doing things in-game in SC2 that I can only dream of doing. I could care less if they don't talk or interact with viewers or if they even speak English at all.
That's why I don't get why guys like MaximusBlack are popular. If I want to be entertained in a more "casual" way, so to speak, I'll just watch TV or hang out with friends.
To each his own I suppose.
Do you actually not understand why people watch his stream? It's not actually very complicated, and I fear you have a very shallow understanding of the world if you don't.
Surprise, other people don't take your own values into account in their decisions. The fact that you are only entertained by watching high level SC2 means nothing to anyone, ever. Get used to this fact or you will be continuously confused and annoying.
On December 21 2012 15:44 Fliparoni wrote: I guess this is a situation where I differ from a lot of people. I don't watch Sc2 pro's for their personality or what they do on stream that doesn't relate to their gameplay. I watch them (mostly Koreans but some foreigners) because I am entertained by seeing people doing things in-game in SC2 that I can only dream of doing. I could care less if they don't talk or interact with viewers or if they even speak English at all.
That's why I don't get why guys like MaximusBlack are popular. If I want to be entertained in a more "casual" way, so to speak, I'll just watch TV or hang out with friends.
To each his own I suppose.
What are you trying to say? That Maximus viewers are easy to impress? Why did you post in this thread in the first place if you are not interested in MaximusBlack?
As for the haters, I really don't get it. Fine don't like the guy but this is great for the scene. Maximus gets good practice partner and an organisation behind him to do extra content, etc and on the other end we have a NA team that gets a lot of exposure and they will grow and be able to support more NA players in the future.. the way I see it this is win win
On December 21 2012 11:09 NeutralDepot wrote: People have to have REALLY LOW STANDARDS to be even remotely entertained by him
Some people just like to watch other people make clowns of themselves. :-)
Am I not allowed to entertain myself? Is it wrong that someone makes their living doing what they love? Look I'm not here as a white knight for the Bouse, I don't need to be. At least he can stand and say that he is doing what he truly loves to do. To try and knock somebody for that just makes you look like the clown. So, please, go be a joke elsewhere. I'll be over here, playing the game I love, watching I personality that I enjoy.
You, sir, I believe, have quoted the wrong person.
If, however, you believe that what I have said means that I'm "trying to knock somebody" -- I am not. On the contrary. I see a few things in MaximusBlack that irritate me or annoy me (as in: being a clown; I simply don't feel attracted to this, never have), but let me repeat my post from a previous page of the thread: I deeply admire his conviction and determination, and for this reason I consider myself his fan. And I truly believe that his appeal to the casual gamer will pay back greatly to the community in the long run.
To all the people refusing to understand why people watch his stream; people have different tastes and opinions, you are going to need to get over this. Why don't you hate on people for liking fast food, or football/soccer or certain types of music as well as MB. Some people enjoy watching him, as other people enjoy watching football, or eating fast good or listening to, in my opinion terrible ^^, pop music, and you are just going to have to accept that fact.
Congratulations to Mr. Black, I checked in the stream yesterday in the middle of a very entertaining story and forgot why I didn't go to the stream as much anymore! That and the fact that he seemed to have improved skill-wise a fair bit from when I was a regular was nice to see. :D
I have to admit that I find it particularly funny how even every fan admits that MaximusBlack sucks at playing SC2 but instantly tries to cover that up by saying he has a great personality....whatever that even means in MaximusBlack's case. What I give him is that he's an extremely extroverted personality with the strong tendency to fool around and overvalue himself by talking smack on others. What the great thing about that is is beyond me though. And even if he'd have a great personality...tons of people have that. What's that worth for Sc2? Being a great personality AND being good at Starcraft is something worthy for the scene. What's next? Justin Timberlake and Rihanna playing Starcraft because they are such great singers (lol) and personalities even though they are silver? Sounds retarded to me.
Call me elitist. I sure as hell am but that's a thousand times better than being appealed to a fouling jerk instead of somebody with skill who might not be as outgoing. I'm basically disgusted by a scene in which the top athlets struggle to make a living while complete jerks and clowns make tons of cash. Everybody who thinks this is good for the SC2 scene is totally wrong. It might be good for the likes of MaximusBlack but sure as hell not for the reputation of SC2 and it's exposure as a serious competitive eSport. If Sc2 goes down MaximusBlack will just move to LoL and have the same retards who would even watch him take a shit watching him but the effort and energy people put into being superb at the game and excel at tournaments will be completely wasted. For example I just watched Taeja playing protoss on his stream and he played ten times better than MaximusBlack ever could and owned a korean Top 1 Master Terran in a macro game going up to 5 bases. His mechanics are that sound that even though he's offracing he plays better than somebody (MaximusBlack) who has supposedly dedicated himself to getting into Grandmaster league and is working hard according to his unpretentious fans. I'm wondering how hard Taeja has to be working...... yet he only gets about 1500 viewers which is as much as MaximusBlack gets. Hard work really pays off I gues.........
But that is how the majority of people is and why humanity ultimately deserves the suffering it has to endure.
"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That’s one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population—the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it’s the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it’s the fools that form the overwhelming majority." - Abraham Lincoln
Congrats to MaximusBlack and Apoc too! Glad Min Hyung found a home where he can travel to more foreign tournaments. :D
On December 21 2012 11:02 SupremeHD wrote: dont forget apocalypse it is already on the liquipedia page for itsGosu
yep! They also need to remove that he was apart of team IM before he joined Quantic. He was never in IM. We picked him up when he was one of the top krn amateurs through one of Quantic's korean liasons who personally knew him. Shortly thereafter, we played him in the IPTL QIM lineup and it somehow got mixed up.
On December 22 2012 01:56 NeutralDepot wrote: I have to admit that I find it particularly funny how even every fan admits that MaximusBlack sucks at playing SC2 but instantly tries to cover that up by saying he has a great personality....whatever that even means in MaximusBlack's case. What I give him is that he's an extremely extroverted personality with the strong tendency to fool around and overvalue himself by talking smack on others. What the great thing about that is is beyond me though. And even if he'd have a great personality...tons of people have that. What's that worth for Sc2? Being a great personality AND being good at Starcraft is something worthy for the scene. What's next? Justin Timberlake and Rihanna playing Starcraft because they are such great singers (lol) and personalities even though they are silver? Sounds retarded to me.
Call me elitist. I sure as hell am but that's a thousand times better than being appealed to a fouling jerk instead of somebody with skill who might not be as outgoing. I'm basically disgusted by a scene in which the top athlets struggle to make a living while complete jerks and clowns make tons of cash. Everybody who thinks this is good for the SC2 scene is totally wrong. It might be good for the likes of MaximusBlack but sure as hell not for the reputation of SC2 and it's exposure as a serious competitive eSport. If Sc2 goes down MaximusBlack will just move to LoL and have the same retards who would even watch him take a shit watching him but the effort and energy people put into being superb at the game and excel at tournaments will be completely wasted. For example I just watched Taeja playing protoss on his stream and he played ten times better than MaximusBlack ever could and owned a korean Top 1 Master Terran in a macro game going up to 5 bases. His mechanics are that sound that even though he's offracing he plays better than somebody (MaximusBlack) who has supposedly dedicated himself to getting into Grandmaster league and is working hard according to his unpretentious fans. I'm wondering how hard Taeja has to be working...... yet he only gets about 1500 viewers which is as much as MaximusBlack gets. Hard work really pays off I gues.........
But that is how the majority of people is and why humanity ultimately deserves the suffering it has to endure.
"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That’s one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population—the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it’s the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it’s the fools that form the overwhelming majority." - Abraham Lincoln
You actually took the time to tell us that we are too easy to impress? Or that there is one right way to judge stream content – yours?
On December 21 2012 19:11 desRow wrote: Grats jeff, wish you the best for 2013.
As for the haters, I really don't get it. Fine don't like the guy but this is great for the scene. Maximus gets good practice partner and an organisation behind him to do extra content, etc and on the other end we have a NA team that gets a lot of exposure and they will grow and be able to support more NA players in the future.. the way I see it this is win win
I think people don't actually understand how little money players make. For players who play hours a day and try to actually achieve something in the game and go unrecognized unless they win an MLG to have to watch all the "personalities" make all the money in the scene, what are they supposed to think?
To be successful in this game has very little to do with skill. You want to know why there's no NA talent? Because even if you're as good as the Koreans; you won't get as much as they do from foreign teams. You won't get as much as casters. You won't get as much as personalities like MB. There's no point in playing this game. The only team that actually seems to understand that is complexity. They actually have a program to develop players and try to support them, other teams don't and then wonder why the player pool is so small.
Why are the Koreans better? Because there's tons of team houses and even practice houses for lesser tiered players. There is a realistic way to support yourself through the game. If you're good you can have all of your living expenses paid for and focus on nothing but SC2. For a foreigner, unless you're incredibly outgoing and likeable with an expensive computer and sick internet to stream, you don't have any of that. You have to support yourself, know that you're probably not going to make any money from the game, and still have a positive mindset to play and practice just as hard. But even if you're on level with the Koreans they're going to make more than you for the simple fact that they're Korean...from foreign teams. It's a joke.
e/ so I ask you, how is MB getting into a team good for anyone but him? How does recruiting a sub-tier Korean and a personality help the NA scene / players? MB doesn't exactly have a reputation of helping out the teams he's been on anyways.
e/2 Then think of the teams like EG who pay some of their players over 100k a year. They have enough money to pay players that much and yet the vaaaaaast majority of foreigners are getting under $300 a month. It's such an idiotic system that is horrible for the growth of American SC2. You have tournaments paying casters more than the actual prize pool, you have rich teams just throwing money away that could go to developing SC2 in America like they have no clue. SC2 could be so much more and it wouldn't be hard to do yet you see all the things that make absolutely no sense coming from the people who matter. Take a 20th of what EG pays Stephano and you could literally pay for every NA players Salary who's on salary outside of EG/TL members.
On December 21 2012 19:11 desRow wrote: Grats jeff, wish you the best for 2013.
As for the haters, I really don't get it. Fine don't like the guy but this is great for the scene. Maximus gets good practice partner and an organisation behind him to do extra content, etc and on the other end we have a NA team that gets a lot of exposure and they will grow and be able to support more NA players in the future.. the way I see it this is win win
I think people don't actually understand how little money players make. For players who play hours a day and try to actually achieve something in the game and go unrecognized unless they win an MLG to have to watch all the "personalities" make all the money in the scene, what are they supposed to think?
To be successful in this game has very little to do with skill. You want to know why there's no NA talent? Because even if you're as good as the Koreans; you won't get as much as they do from foreign teams. You won't get as much as casters. You won't get as much as personalities like MB. There's no point in playing this game. The only team that actually seems to understand that is complexity. They actually have a program to develop players and try to support them, other teams don't and then wonder why the player pool is so small.
Why are the Koreans better? Because there's tons of team houses and even practice houses for lesser tiered players. There is a realistic way to support yourself through the game. If you're good you can have all of your living expenses paid for and focus on nothing but SC2. For a foreigner, unless you're incredibly outgoing and likeable with an expensive computer and sick internet to stream, you don't have any of that. You have to support yourself, know that you're probably not going to make any money from the game, and still have a positive mindset to play and practice just as hard. But even if you're on level with the Koreans they're going to make more than you for the simple fact that they're Korean...from foreign teams. It's a joke.
e/ so I ask you, how is MB getting into a team good for anyone but him? How does recruiting a sub-tier Korean and a personality help the NA scene / players? MB doesn't exactly have a reputation of helping out the teams he's been on anyways.
e/2 Then think of the teams like EG who pay some of their players over 100k a year. They have enough money to pay players that much and yet the vaaaaaast majority of foreigners are getting under $300 a month. It's such an idiotic system that is horrible for the growth of American SC2. You have tournaments paying casters more than the actual prize pool, you have rich teams just throwing money away that could go to developing SC2 in America like they have no clue. SC2 could be so much more and it wouldn't be hard to do yet you see all the things that make absolutely no sense coming from the people who matter. Take a 20th of what EG pays Stephano and you could literally pay for every NA players Salary who's on salary outside of EG/TL members.
you know your shit. you work with a team before or something?
EPT
