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Bosnia-Herzegovina67 Posts
Hello there!
As a part of killing my free time, I've conducted a mini Interview with a player that most of you know (in bad or good way), so I thought it would be interested to see what DeathAngel has to say about it:
Q: DeathAngel, to cut the story, could you just tell us, who you are, and what situation happened recently?
DeathAngel: Hello, my name is Andrei Nodea, I am 26 years old from Romania known as DeathAngel. What happened was that I played under a friend's account (Veralynn) and also played for her in some showmatches and tournaments. It ended pretty bad I would say.
Q: Could you explain the community, why did you do that? What was the reason's behind your decision? Does it has anything to do with your current team in that moment (Absolute Legends), and what was their status on that?
I just needed some money since my last team didn't payed my salary for the last 3 months and also didn't refunded my lan trips. It was a desperate move.
Q:So, what after this, do you have to say something about the situation that happened?
DeathAngel: I really want to apologize for the whole situation that I created. I am really sorry for the people that got hurt from my actions. I regret it and I will never do something similar again. I hope the ones that got affected by this will be able to forget what happened and accept me back in the community as a player.
Q: What are you future plans now? Any team or events popping up? Something new?
DeathAngel: Yes, I am soon going to join a new team, and I want to be able to score some good results at the next lan event that I will be able to attend.
Q: Any last words to add up?
DeathAngel: I would like to thank people that supported me (if there is any), and the ones that will support me in future. I hope everything goes well, as I do think will do better. That's my promise. Thanks!
Well, that's all! I hope things will be more clear for the community now!
Best regards!
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wasn't he banned from teamliquid for this scandal?
I'm not sure we're ready to have him back...
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Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl!
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On November 26 2012 05:16 arew wrote:
Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl!
I don't, guy was a willing part of a stupid scheme.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina67 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:
wasn't he banned from teamliquid for this scandal?
I'm not sure we're ready to have him back...
Yes, exactly. He was (is still?) banned from tl. But, I strongly believe everybody deserves a second chance...
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In my opinion everyone deserves another shot. Also I always liked your ID so as far as I'm concerned - gogo DeathAngel fighting!!!
Edit: Also I think thread title should read "beginning"
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Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:
wasn't he banned from teamliquid for this scandal?
I'm not sure we're ready to have him back...
Your opinion matters not neo...
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Well of course he's sorry, especially if he wants to stay in the community.
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At least he handled the situation well, flat out saying that he was wrong and apologizing in the original thread.
Hopefully he can have a future in SC2, Good Luck.
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I'm not sure what your apologies are meant to mean? Vera payed back the tournament organizers all the money that... you won... from the showmatches that you weren't meant to be in. I real apology would be to do the same in my opinion.
edit: I mean, all I could take from this was DeathAngel saying "hey guise im rly sry but yea im not gonna pay back all the money i stole. plz forgive me tho, looking forward to coming back to the community!"
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Seems like a PR move but didn't major do the same thing? Why isn't he treated the same way?
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This seems more like an attempt to shit on aL than anything. I really don't see the point and it's still only around a month since the controversy occured.
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Where's the question that asks "Why did you run away from the Red Bull Lan like some sort of scared child?"
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:28 farvacola wrote:
Where's the question that asks "Why did you run away from the Red Bull Lan like some sort of scared child?"
Wasn't that lastshadow.
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I can tolerate douchebags to a certain extent, but they have to be a lot better than this kid
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On November 26 2012 05:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:28 farvacola wrote:
Where's the question that asks "Why did you run away from the Red Bull Lan like some sort of scared child?" Wasn't that lastshadow.
Wow yep, for whatever reason these two players seem very similar to me. My mistake.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina67 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:26 KvltMan wrote:
This seems more like an attempt to shit on aL than anything. I really don't see the point and it's still only around a month since the controversy occured.
Actually, its 2 months since it happened. I won't go in the thing if aL done that or not, but there are many players that are not going for revealing things organizations done to them cause of the pressure, acquisations, and later luck with finding normal teams.
The guy is simply trying to get his work life back, and I am strongly againts things he done, but, I as I said, believing that if you really think you made a mistake, and are going to work on fixing it, then, the community should try to support him. No body is perfect, we make mistakes. All the time.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:32 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:30 Fusilero wrote:On November 26 2012 05:28 farvacola wrote:
Where's the question that asks "Why did you run away from the Red Bull Lan like some sort of scared child?" Wasn't that lastshadow. Wow yep, for whatever reason these two players seem very similar to me. My mistake.
I believe lastshadow is holed up at the MVP house playing LoL atm.
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I don't know how relevant he really was before this scandal. After this scandal I don't see why I should care anymore now. This apology also really means nothing. Actions speak louder than words. When he starts doing things that have some sort of meaning or when actions show that he deserves any attention at all I'll give it. For now this is for all intensive purposes entirely meaningless.
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I don't believe in second chances much when it's about stuff that's obviously bad and has obvious consequences (like frauding, stealing, raping or murdering) . It's not that he's a bad guy, it's that since he reasoned himself into doing some sort of frauding, I don't believe he wouldn't do that again if he thinks he can't get caught.
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He kill Sjow! I won't forgive him! No, but really, I guess he can have a second chance.
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not being payed for 3 moths and we are still blaming the player.How many of the people that blame him can survive 3 months without being payed at work.I haven"t seen him play but if he hasn"t been payed in 3 months the team managers are lucky to have their jaws intact.I mean i cant imagine he was payd more than a couple hundred euros a month enough for food and basic ustilities.Btw he is 26 years old so he needs a steady income,Life ain"t that easy in ROmania.His parents probably don"t make more than 600 euros per moth combined.Try to be more forgiving.Progaming is virtually unhead of in Romania and sponsorship is unexistent-like litteraly unexistent.When dreamhack Bucharest happened-although it was a major international event which deserved attention and brought attention to my country-it wasnt even mentioned in mainstream news.Never.Not even once.His only chance of achieving anything in progaming is moving to Western Europe and maybe a team their will help.
Good luck to him in the near future.Hope the community understands the circumstances
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United States33487 Posts
apologies are more effective when they're timely 
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On November 26 2012 05:33 IFC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:26 KvltMan wrote:
This seems more like an attempt to shit on aL than anything. I really don't see the point and it's still only around a month since the controversy occured. Actually, its 2 months since it happened. I won't go in the thing if aL done that or not, but there are many players that are not going for revealing things organizations done to them cause of the pressure, acquisations, and later luck with finding normal teams. The guy is simply trying to get his work life back, and I am strongly againts things he done, but, I as I said, believing that if you really think you made a mistake, and are going to work on fixing it, then, the community should try to support him. No body is perfect, we make mistakes. All the time.
There is a big reason for me, and it's precedent. If a progammer scams, and can just get away with it, other people will know they can do the same. I know the world isn't perfect, but if you don't want to shit on your chances, never go full retard at your job.
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On November 26 2012 05:33 IFC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:26 KvltMan wrote:
This seems more like an attempt to shit on aL than anything. I really don't see the point and it's still only around a month since the controversy occured. Actually, its 2 months since it happened. I won't go in the thing if aL done that or not, but there are many players that are not going for revealing things organizations done to them cause of the pressure, acquisations, and later luck with finding normal teams. The guy is simply trying to get his work life back, and I am strongly againts things he done, but, I as I said, believing that if you really think you made a mistake, and are going to work on fixing it, then, the community should try to support him. No body is perfect, we make mistakes. All the time.
Well of course he's going to be sorry that he's out of work because he got caught. I don't believe that he would have come out and apologized for his behavior had he gotten away with it.
He should probably find another job, because I really doubt the community will ever accept him back. The community hates cheaters, and he never had the kind of skill to draw the kind of supportive fans he would need to move through this.
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I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance
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If their team doesn't pay them and repeated requests are ignored, why don't players go public with their problems? Instead of the negative reaction, he would have a chance of resolving the issue and getting paid, or raising awareness of himself with public sympathy so that a transfer to a team who will pay is easier.
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On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance
Why exactly?
He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good.
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Russian Federation101 Posts
well a lot of ppl are desperate for money so it s understandable(there s a lot of problems with team managments at lower tier pro gaming like not paying full salary or paying for lans and etc). I think that he got what he deserved in sense that he got exposed and under a lot of pressure from community however why not give him 2nd chance. At least he didn t cheat or anything. And by giving him this chance we can see if he made any conclusion and won t do this anymore(not like he won t be caught a 2nd time if he ll do it).
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On November 26 2012 05:17 DKR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:16 arew wrote:
Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl! I don't, guy was a willing part of a stupid scheme.
He hadn't had a salary for 3 months
Put yourself in his shoes you would have done something much worse.
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On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good.
Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you.
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On November 26 2012 05:25 GohgamX wrote:
Seems like a PR move but didn't major do the same thing? Why isn't he treated the same way?
Major turned out to be a pretty cool and all around well-liked character. Plus he is actually really good. DeathAngel is an ok player with a temper (online) and rather timid behavior (offline). I'm not judging since he's a nice guy overall but in that direct comparison, the odds are in Major's favor.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina67 Posts
On November 26 2012 05:44 Solarsail wrote:
If their team doesn't pay them and repeated requests are ignored, why don't players go public with their problems? Instead of the negative reaction, he would have a chance of resolving the issue and getting paid, or raising awareness of himself with public sympathy so that a transfer to a team who will pay is easier.
You do realize money doesn't fall from trees, right? And no, there is no such kind of sympathy in business. That leads to failure. Anyway, it's funny and very weird how people see things, when a organization frauds the whole community by not paying and lying to their players, and when a player frauds the community himself.
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I think a lot of people have hazy memories, "at least he admitted to what he did wrong and apologized". He started out with 1 excuse / "reason" and people were buying it until Veralynn posted in the thread calling him out on his bullshit, and showing screenshots of numbers + $, at which point he switched his stance to this poor me im so sorry. </Romney> The whole desperation for money aspect is understandable, but to me I just read it as poor attempt at the sympathy vote.
Also, let's not forget this guy literally beat up some girls and took their money (referring to the girls only tournament)
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meh this just shows to me how more insincere this guy is. What this all blew up he was ignorant to everything and barely apologized as if he was sorry for anything he did trying to push it off onto other people. Next I hear of him is him in an interview and not an actual apology to how he screwed over other players in show matches or the fans that thought they were watching a whole different person for awhile? Give me a break if he wants a 2nd chance do it how everyone else in life does it. By your own hands. He should have contacted TL staff himself and asked to release an apology at this time if he is still banned
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On November 26 2012 05:52 Rif_king wrote:
Also, let's not forget this guy literally beat up some girls and took their money (referring to the girls only tournament)
What? He beat up girls? Source?
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I just don't understand why people compare DeathAngel with others?
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good luck, takes courage to try again.
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Of course he's gonna apologize, he got no other moves left. Still deserves a ban.
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On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you.
DA is too much of a nobody for this to be called a scandal.
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On November 26 2012 05:48 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:17 DKR wrote:On November 26 2012 05:16 arew wrote:
Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl! I don't, guy was a willing part of a stupid scheme. He hadn't had a salary for 3 months Put yourself in his shoes you would have done something much worse.
Thats pretty much against proper rules of argumentation. You can't just assume that he's going to do worse stuff.
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On November 26 2012 05:52 Rif_king wrote:
I think a lot of people have hazy memories, "at least he admitted to what he did wrong and apologized". He started out with 1 excuse / "reason" and people were buying it until Veralynn posted in the thread calling him out on his bullshit, and showing screenshots of numbers + $, at which point he switched his stance to this poor me im so sorry. </Romney> The whole desperation for money aspect is understandable, but to me I just read it as poor attempt at the sympathy vote.
Also, let's not forget this guy literally beat up some girls and took their money (referring to the girls only tournament)
That is one of the most figurative uses of the word literally I've ever seen. He literally defeated some girls at a video game. He didn't beat them up.
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On November 26 2012 05:54 ScandiNAVIan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. DA is too much of a nobody for this to be called a scandal.
This guy has been insulting somebody for the last 3 posts without any argumentation.At least a warning maybe....
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On November 26 2012 05:58 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:54 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. DA is too much of a nobody for this to be called a scandal. This guy has been insulting somebody for the last 3 posts without any argumentation.At least a warning maybe....
It's no insult to call a stupid man stupid.
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On November 26 2012 05:56 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:52 Rif_king wrote:
I think a lot of people have hazy memories, "at least he admitted to what he did wrong and apologized". He started out with 1 excuse / "reason" and people were buying it until Veralynn posted in the thread calling him out on his bullshit, and showing screenshots of numbers + $, at which point he switched his stance to this poor me im so sorry. </Romney> The whole desperation for money aspect is understandable, but to me I just read it as poor attempt at the sympathy vote.
Also, let's not forget this guy literally beat up some girls and took their money (referring to the girls only tournament)
That is one of the most figurative uses of the word literally I've ever seen. He literally defeated some girls at a video game. He didn't beat them up.
Wow...... -__- that's literally the worst use of literally I have seen on the net so far. Congrats Rif_king.
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I don't really feel the sincerity from DA's past/present statements about the subject. I think he is just sorry he got caught.
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On November 26 2012 05:48 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:17 DKR wrote:On November 26 2012 05:16 arew wrote:
Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl! I don't, guy was a willing part of a stupid scheme. He hadn't had a salary for 3 months Put yourself in his shoes you would have done something much worse.
Most of us would've gotten an actual job if we weren't making money.
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When u dont have money, I can understand that you do bad things in desperation.. the guy is 26 so he can't rely on his parents or whatever. It's a bad thing but it happens a lot, atleast he apologizes.
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What? lol. There's a huge difference between beating up and beating out a girl.
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Not really. The post made it seems like he wacked some girl in the alley and stole her money, he only actually cheated some girl out of their money which isnt AS bad but still bad. However, I think we should all forgive this guy for what he has done, everyone make mistakes in their life. DA was desperate cause Esport doesnt pay for middle rung people and I could see why someone would do what he did, when youre desperate you do crazy things. I still think he deserves a second chance, way too many people fucked up way worst than he did and still got a second chance, he won what? Couple hundred dollars, 1 or 2 thousands at most, and vera paid it all back so there shouldn't be any harm. People say it should have him that paid, well, that is his and Vera problem to work it out with each other and we should just let them do that.
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On November 26 2012 05:52 IFC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:44 Solarsail wrote:
If their team doesn't pay them and repeated requests are ignored, why don't players go public with their problems? Instead of the negative reaction, he would have a chance of resolving the issue and getting paid, or raising awareness of himself with public sympathy so that a transfer to a team who will pay is easier. You do realize money doesn't fall from trees, right? And no, there is no such kind of sympathy in business. That leads to failure. Anyway, it's funny and very weird how people see things, when a organization frauds the whole community by not paying and lying to their players, and when a player frauds the community himself.
Not sympathy from business; sympathy from the community causing him to have a good 'story' and hence be worth being picked up.
Compare the reaction of this thread to AL not paying their players (basically none) to if DeathAngel posted a few months ago, "I'm not being paid" (outrage).
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On November 26 2012 06:07 Azamato wrote:
When u dont have money, I can understand that you do bad things in desperation.. the guy is 26 so he can't rely on his parents or whatever. It's a bad thing but it happens a lot, atleast he apologizes.
Congratulations, you've just legitimized robbing and stealing.
Obviously, when people break into a house or rob a bank it's because they need money and are desperate. That doesn't make it okay. The same is true for frauding money. While his situation might explain his actions it doesn't excuse it.
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Coming an apologizing now when you are hoping to join a new team makes me think that you are only apologizing because you know you have to, not because you are remorseful. Of course, that is all speculation on my part and I might be wrong, but don't expect people to welcome you back because you said sorry. Actions have consequences and I'm sorry to say this, but I don't want to see DA at LANs as I think the community needs to hold players to a very high ethical standard.
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I don't think he should be outcast, it was a mistake and he has admitted to it. It may still be too soon to let him be vindicated but I do believe he deserves a second chance, as many others I'm sure do.
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So basically from like 1/4 comments i've seen of people defending DA is basically sayings its okay that if someone screws u over and not paying u then it is more then acceptable to steal money from other people and at the same time by deceiving the thousands of fans and the various sponsors who paid for the events (The woman's online tournament, the showmatches) and to have little remorse for it until u got caught.
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I personally forgive the guy. Even good people can do shitty things, if they get put in the right situation. Live and learn, though I don't think his ban should be removed just yet, thats too soon.
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On November 26 2012 06:17 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:07 Azamato wrote:
When u dont have money, I can understand that you do bad things in desperation.. the guy is 26 so he can't rely on his parents or whatever. It's a bad thing but it happens a lot, atleast he apologizes. Congratulations, you've just legitimized robbing and stealing. Obviously, when people break into a house or rob a bank it's because they need money and are desperate. That doesn't make it okay. The same is true for frauding money. While his situation might explain his actions it doesn't excuse it.
Nobody is legitimizing robbery.From my perspective is not as bad to steal a bread to feed your kids as it is to rob a bank to become a millionaire.There are different levels of needs.Of course usually the guy that steals the bread gets many years in jail but at least morally the situations are not the same.What deathAngel did was illegal but he may have been in the situation of not having money for food and having to withstand the pressure form his parents for him to get a job(elderly in Romania arent too accustomed to the job of progamer).In the end he just wanted to follow his dream and needed a little boost become his team didn't pay him.But eventually I do think he will need to find a regular job-which is also not very easy in Romania considering he has no working experinece in any domain.Life"s tough man.we all have to do what we have to do.
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He can have a second chance as far as I'm concerned, but I think he should talk to TL about it though.
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On November 26 2012 06:07 Azamato wrote:
When u dont have money, I can understand that you do bad things in desperation.. the guy is 26 so he can't rely on his parents or whatever.
Yeah, the guy is 26, so he should've gotten a real job instead of being a scum cheater. Don't want to work, kids and grown-ass men? Lie, cheat, and steal! If you get caught, you can always apologize for it. And if you don't get caught, money money money and no consequences. Other than the loss of dignity.
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He got caught. By extensive research.
Get your second chance in another game.
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On November 26 2012 06:17 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:07 Azamato wrote:
When u dont have money, I can understand that you do bad things in desperation.. the guy is 26 so he can't rely on his parents or whatever. It's a bad thing but it happens a lot, atleast he apologizes. Congratulations, you've just legitimized robbing and stealing. Obviously, when people break into a house or rob a bank it's because they need money and are desperate. That doesn't make it okay. The same is true for frauding money. While his situation might explain his actions it doesn't excuse it.
The common misconception between "motive" and "justification" playing itself out.
IMO, nobody should be willing to pick this player up. He's proved that when push comes to shove he's willing to take the easy way out, which speaks volumes of his work ethic. While it makes sense that players often don't speak out against their teams regarding their salaries and are often desperately poor you don't hear of anybody who wants to be taken seriously as a pro-gamer going out and defrauding an entire tournament just for some money. Need money? Sell dope.
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A beggining indeed. Beg for forgiveness.
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On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you.
....Really? You make it sound like he is sacrificing himself and his parents for some greater good of humanity.
His parents are paying for his living expenses, period. Doesn't really mean anything.
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No. Learn to express yourself properly. And please don't use the word 'literally' again. But enough of that.
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well, everyone need money. Understandable!
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Time heals all wounds. Apparently, fallout of scamming heals in exactly two months.
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Try two years.
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its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught
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To Deathangel: Fuck off, you did the wrost sort of cheating.
Would rather give a maphacker a second chance.
On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught
I agree with and also have this sentiment, especially in this case.
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Some people don't deserve a second chance. You royally fucked a lot of people over and acted incredibly immature upon this information going public. People a lot better than you came from a lot worse situations without defrauding the sc2 community. No excuse. Thanks for the apology though.
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On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught
This. He did this for months with no remorse and never came forward. He doesn't deserve shit.
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On November 26 2012 06:46 rafaliusz wrote:
no mercy
thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland,
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On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland,
Yeah, people who don't like Deathangel are guilty of mass genocide!
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Northern Ireland26036 Posts
I have a lot of time for Deathangel's rehabilitation, I know I'm likely in the minority on this but I really do feel he should be allowed back. Guy went out and was initially non-apologetic, or at least not as apologetic as he should have been. Gets slated for that, then when he comes out and apologises people are naturally going to assume that he's lying, so I do get that.
The sad thing for me is, though he didn't express himself graciously, the crux of his argument was pretty on the money, namely that Deathangel would never get a high-profile showmatch, despite making the finals of the Code A prelims twice, but Veralynn would because of the ridiculous pedestals we put any females in this community. Doesn't excuse his actions, but does explain part of the motivation.
People talk about things like '2 year bans' which are just nonsense. That's a permaban from being an E-sports competitor, if you can't play in tournaments or support yourself from the game for such a period, there's very little chance of you coming back. He's not the first to fall foul of TL as a community, and he should be allowed to rehabilitate himself if he doesn't fuck up again. Considering I recall Idra saying on a SoTG that Koreans playing on each other's accounts was pretty commonplace I don't see why DA should be completely cast out of the community.
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On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught
Well you are right on this one.I mean you"ve been bming people that beat you even since your brood war days calling them morons,faggots,autistical etc and you never appologized.Huck used the n word on ladder countless of times,which by the USA law is punishibeable by prison just as scamming.He never appologized.Da should have just done like you guys;sweep it all unde the carpet and move on like nothing happen.But then again he isnt part of eg.......
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personally i believe he's not at fault...most progamers don't get paid much at all, so when given a shot like that to make that much money powerleveling, it would be no question for a lot of people. I don't fault him at all.
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On November 26 2012 07:02 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught Well you are right on this one.I mean you"ve been bming people that beat you even since your brood war days calling them morons,faggots,autistical etc and you never appologized.Huck used the n word on ladder countless of times,which by the USA law is punishibeable by prison just as scamming.He never appologized.Da should have just done like you guys;sweep it all unde the carpet and move on like nothing happen.But then again he isnt part of eg.......
What an intelligent individual you are
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Deathangel should come back if he is accepted although I don't know if some random person posting a short interview with him saying he was sorry means anything really... I mean, how sorry is he really, what is the reason we will believe he has changed for the better/will not repeat doing something retarded again? I think he should be should actually try coming back into the scene and show some will and balls. People these days, 0 spine, they'll just beg for forgiveness once they're caught red-handed, doing something retarded.
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On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland,
lol this thread become epic
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On November 26 2012 06:44 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. ....Really? You make it sound like he is sacrificing himself and his parents for some greater good of humanity. His parents are paying for his living expenses, period. Doesn't really mean anything.
well he is actually sacrifices his parents entire income for his dream of playing starcraft.Its a good thing that the community is still having players willing to make sacrifices to play this game when he could have chosen many other games popular in romania to do so such as cs and dota.
His paying are paying for his living expenses but gaming expenses are above their income so he really needs a proteam whoa ctually pays him to get back on track
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On November 26 2012 07:02 johnnywup wrote:
personally i believe he's not at fault...most progamers don't get paid much at all, so when given a shot like that to make that much money powerleveling, it would be no question for a lot of people. I don't fault him at all.
surely he isn't responsible for his own actions! rofl what a joke.
This is worse than spades maphacking imo. This involves prize money. Cheating others out of legitimate opportunities to win in equal competition. He should be banned for life. No new beginning here on TL.
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On November 26 2012 07:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
I have a lot of time for Deathangel's rehabilitation, I know I'm likely in the minority on this but I really do feel he should be allowed back. Guy went out and was initially non-apologetic, or at least not as apologetic as he should have been. Gets slated for that, then when he comes out and apologises people are naturally going to assume that he's lying, so I do get that.
The sad thing for me is, though he didn't express himself graciously, the crux of his argument was pretty on the money, namely that Deathangel would never get a high-profile showmatch, despite making the finals of the Code A prelims twice, but Veralynn would because of the ridiculous pedestals we put any females in this community. Doesn't excuse his actions, but does explain part of the motivation.
People talk about things like '2 year bans' which are just nonsense. That's a permaban from being an E-sports competitor, if you can't play in tournaments or support yourself from the game for such a period, there's very little chance of you coming back. He's not the first to fall foul of TL as a community, and he should be allowed to rehabilitate himself if he doesn't fuck up again. Considering I recall Idra saying on a SoTG that Koreans playing on each other's accounts was pretty commonplace I don't see why DA should be completely cast out of the community.
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playing on each other's account is one thing.
Getting some bitch into grandmasters so that she can scam poor nerds out of their pocket change is another.
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On November 26 2012 07:02 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught Well you are right on this one.I mean you"ve been bming people that beat you even since your brood war days calling them morons,faggots,autistical etc and you never appologized.Huck used the n word on ladder countless of times,which by the USA law is punishibeable by prison just as scamming.He never appologized.Da should have just done like you guys;sweep it all unde the carpet and move on like nothing happen.But then again he isnt part of eg.......
Yea, by the way, ladder rage is not the same as CHEATING and SCAMMING tournaments.
As a community we are accepting of people being mad and not of those that defraud us. Shocking.
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On November 26 2012 07:02 johnnywup wrote:
personally i believe he's not at fault...most progamers don't get paid much at all, so when given a shot like that to make that much money powerleveling, it would be no question for a lot of people. I don't fault him at all.
He could try getting a real job instead of scamming honest, hardworking people. His whole appeal to sympathy by making it seem like he was desperate for money makes me even more disgusted. However, I guess whether or not he gets it is about as irrelevant as he was and will continue to be.
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I think we should donate him some money everyone pays him 10 dollars every month for 6 months. just do it for fun.
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On November 26 2012 05:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:
wasn't he banned from teamliquid for this scandal?
I'm not sure we're ready to have him back...
him being banned from TL decides whether we accept him back or not? pft.
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On November 26 2012 07:02 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:49 IdrA wrote:
its amazing how many people become apologetic after being caught Well you are right on this one.I mean you"ve been bming people that beat you even since your brood war days calling them morons,faggots,autistical etc and you never appologized.Huck used the n word on ladder countless of times,which by the USA law is punishibeable by prison just as scamming.He never appologized.Da should have just done like you guys;sweep it all unde the carpet and move on like nothing happen.But then again he isnt part of eg.......
You know that bming on the ladder is quite different than stealing money..
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On November 26 2012 07:08 NeuTrons12 wrote:
I think we should donate him some money everyone pays him 10 dollars every month for 6 months. just do it for fun.
Why don't you do this to support a struggling player that actually deserves it?
But good luck on your fundraising drive to support infamous and despised cheaters.
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On November 26 2012 07:06 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:46 rafaliusz wrote:
no mercy thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland, lol this thread become epic
Just ignore him. He just joined TL today, has been spouting some nonsense about how DeathAngel has made noble sacrifices and has been calling people Nazi's and racists for disagreeing with him.
Probably not a coincidence he's also from Romania. Wouldn't be surprised if he's DA's alter ego or one of his buddies.
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Wheres the guilt for taking his parents money?
Why not just get a normal job at... idk, maybe the first month you found out this wasn't working?
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On November 26 2012 07:09 TheDraken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:
wasn't he banned from teamliquid for this scandal?
I'm not sure we're ready to have him back... him being banned from TL decides whether we accept him back or not? pft.
yes it does
lol
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If he was black i think most of the people would say ofc no, but since hes white why not gve him a sec chance ?
User was banned for this post.
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On November 26 2012 07:14 NeuTrons12 wrote:
If he was black i think most of the people would say ofc no, but since hes white why not gve him a sec chance ?
You are the reason i support abortion
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On November 26 2012 07:14 NeuTrons12 wrote:
If he was black i think most of the people would say ofc no, but since hes white why not gve him a sec chance ?
What does race have to do with anything? The guy was scamming people... white, black or whatever else he done wrong. I don't believe he deserves a second chance.
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Just checked your post history nothing but a troll never mind.
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On November 26 2012 07:14 NeuTrons12 wrote:
If he was black i think most of the people would say ofc no, but since hes white why not gve him a sec chance ?
i love teamliquid.net
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On November 26 2012 07:02 johnnywup wrote:
personally i believe he's not at fault...most progamers don't get paid much at all, so when given a shot like that to make that much money powerleveling, it would be no question for a lot of people. I don't fault him at all.
He didn't just powerlevel, but you do hint at the deeper problems for mid-tier pros, which I feel is a problem that people often overlook.
Foreign players, unless supported by one of the top, top teams, have a really hard time in terms of keeping up the levels required to actually make any kind of splash on the scene. If you're not getting flights paid to the big LANs it's super hard to break out, and if you don't break out it's hard to get on a team that has the clout to send you to tournaments. So to supplement your meagre income you either have to get a job, coach or do any number of things that in term mean you cannot be the best player you can be.
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I guess it's ok for me.
The community did give another shot to some other (very exposed) players that cheated. (looking at least at 2 or 3 koreans there, even some with code A skills)
Then again those were really sorry, ans it still took some more time to accept them back.
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On November 26 2012 07:11 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:06 Makro wrote:On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:46 rafaliusz wrote:
no mercy thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland, lol this thread become epic Just ignore him. He just joined TL today, has been spouting some nonsense about how DeathAngel has made noble sacrifices and has been calling people Nazi's and racists for disagreeing with him. Probably not a coincidence he's also from Romania. Wouldn't be surprised if he's DA's alter ego or one of his buddies.
From a native speaker you have a limited vocabulary.i''ve also seen your blog post which is written execrably.If I actually manage to reach 1400 posts on tl i hope they wont be as bad as yours.But nevertheless i like how stereotypical you are.it's not necessary to be a progamers friend to support him.
User was banned for this post.
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On November 26 2012 07:14 NeuTrons12 wrote:
If he was black i think most of the people would say ofc no, but since hes white why not gve him a sec chance ?
Maximus Black & Temp0 both featured on TL. Both black. Coincidence? I think not!
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From a native speaker you have a limited vocabulary.i''ve also seen your blog post which is written execrably.If I actually manage to reach 1400 posts on tl i hope they wont be as bad as yours.But nevertheless i like how stereotypical you are.it's not necessary to be a progamers friend to support him.
You are doing the complete opposite of helping DeathAngel.
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i think starcraft can survive without people like deathangel in the scene. good riddance. the only extenuating circumstance as i see it is that he is so unimportant that his actions didnt really have any repercussions
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On November 26 2012 07:06 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 06:44 Sein wrote:On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. ....Really? You make it sound like he is sacrificing himself and his parents for some greater good of humanity. His parents are paying for his living expenses, period. Doesn't really mean anything. well he is actually sacrifices his parents entire income for his dream of playing starcraft.Its a good thing that the community is still having players willing to make sacrifices to play this game when he could have chosen many other games popular in romania to do so such as cs and dota. His paying are paying for his living expenses but gaming expenses are above their income so he really needs a proteam whoa ctually pays him to get back on track
Is that how people call it nowdays when you use your parents money for your own good. sacrificing it?
absolutely disgusting...
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On November 26 2012 07:20 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:11 Sein wrote:On November 26 2012 07:06 Makro wrote:On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:46 rafaliusz wrote:
no mercy thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland, lol this thread become epic Just ignore him. He just joined TL today, has been spouting some nonsense about how DeathAngel has made noble sacrifices and has been calling people Nazi's and racists for disagreeing with him. Probably not a coincidence he's also from Romania. Wouldn't be surprised if he's DA's alter ego or one of his buddies. From a native speaker you have a limited vocabulary.i''ve also seen your blog post which is written execrably.If I actually manage to reach 1400 posts on tl i hope they wont be as bad as yours.But nevertheless i like how stereotypical you are.it's not necessary to be a progamers friend to support him.
Would you be so kind to let me know how my vocab is limited and so "execrable"? Please be specific.
And by the way, I am not a native speaker.
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Please edit title mods. That spelling...
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On November 26 2012 07:27 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:06 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:44 Sein wrote:On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. ....Really? You make it sound like he is sacrificing himself and his parents for some greater good of humanity. His parents are paying for his living expenses, period. Doesn't really mean anything. well he is actually sacrifices his parents entire income for his dream of playing starcraft.Its a good thing that the community is still having players willing to make sacrifices to play this game when he could have chosen many other games popular in romania to do so such as cs and dota. His paying are paying for his living expenses but gaming expenses are above their income so he really needs a proteam whoa ctually pays him to get back on track Is that how people call it nowdays when you use your parents money for your own good. sacrificing it? absolutely disgusting...
So basicly when you used your parents money for your own needs when you were young or in need you were discusting,Like your logic.i really hope one day God punishes you people that hit a man while he is down.You know karma comes back around.Everybody in life has accidents or mishaps and they need sometimes a second chance to come back on their feet.There is a saying in the Bible:"Dont judge so you wont be judged".YOu can judge deathAngel,ask for permanent removal form the community etc but just remember than when you in reallife will make one mistake out of desperation and others will be harsh on you,just remember how you judged others.
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On November 26 2012 05:48 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:17 DKR wrote:On November 26 2012 05:16 arew wrote:
Hopefully everything turns out well for him, gl! I don't, guy was a willing part of a stupid scheme. He hadn't had a salary for 3 months Put yourself in his shoes you would have done something much worse.
I am not so much angry at him for having to stoop to these levels to make some money, but more so angry at him for not offering to help the real veralynn pay back the fraudulent money that he made (like playing in female only events). She got hit hard, and repaid everyone that she took money from using deathangel to play for her, and yet he didnt offer a single thing. Now he wants people to assume everything is fine and dandy and he can casually come back. It's extremely douchey imo.
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On November 26 2012 06:02 drooL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:56 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On November 26 2012 05:52 Rif_king wrote:
I think a lot of people have hazy memories, "at least he admitted to what he did wrong and apologized". He started out with 1 excuse / "reason" and people were buying it until Veralynn posted in the thread calling him out on his bullshit, and showing screenshots of numbers + $, at which point he switched his stance to this poor me im so sorry. </Romney> The whole desperation for money aspect is understandable, but to me I just read it as poor attempt at the sympathy vote.
Also, let's not forget this guy literally beat up some girls and took their money (referring to the girls only tournament)
That is one of the most figurative uses of the word literally I've ever seen. He literally defeated some girls at a video game. He didn't beat them up. Wow...... -__- that's literally the worst use of literally I have seen on the net so far. Congrats Rif_king.
http://xkcd.com/1108/
*shrug*
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On November 26 2012 07:35 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:27 Assirra wrote:On November 26 2012 07:06 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:44 Sein wrote:On November 26 2012 05:50 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 05:44 ScandiNAVIan wrote:On November 26 2012 05:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish he had a better way to release an apology than through an interview, but I do think he deserves a second chance Why exactly? He's always been a douchebag and he's never been any good. Don't know quite what wrong he has done to you.he is sacrificing his parents 600 euro per moth income to pay for lan trips and not receiving any salary in return.Btw at the end of the day his parents still have to pay for food/taxes/bills etc.I honestly dont think you are south korean because south koreans on tl are generaly well mannered,well spoken and dont get involved in these minor scandals.You are probably a Romanian that hates him or a racist bashing him randomly because he can not defend himself In any case shame on you. ....Really? You make it sound like he is sacrificing himself and his parents for some greater good of humanity. His parents are paying for his living expenses, period. Doesn't really mean anything. well he is actually sacrifices his parents entire income for his dream of playing starcraft.Its a good thing that the community is still having players willing to make sacrifices to play this game when he could have chosen many other games popular in romania to do so such as cs and dota. His paying are paying for his living expenses but gaming expenses are above their income so he really needs a proteam whoa ctually pays him to get back on track Is that how people call it nowdays when you use your parents money for your own good. sacrificing it? absolutely disgusting... So basicly when you used your parents money for your own needs when you were young or in need you were discusting,Like your logic.i really hope one day God punishes you people that hit a man while he is down.You know karma comes back around.Everybody in life has accidents or mishaps and they need sometimes a second chance to come back on their feet.There is a saying in the Bible:"Dont judge so you wont be judged".YOu can judge deathAngel,ask for permanent removal form the community etc but just remember than when you in reallife will make one mistake out of desperation and others will be harsh on you,just remember how you judged others.
lol there's a huge difference between making 1 mistake and making that same "mistake" repeatedly for a few months. deathangel knew what he was doing, if he could have gotten away with it without getting caught he would have done it for a lot longer.
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I don't think he should come back, he knew it was wrong and from what i remember from the thread where he was found out to be powerleveling and playing the showmatches, he did not show remorse then. he tried to bat it off Teams will not touch him for that since that would be PR suicide.
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Norway10161 Posts
I don't see this having any benefit what so ever.
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On November 26 2012 07:20 Mrpopescu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:11 Sein wrote:On November 26 2012 07:06 Makro wrote:On November 26 2012 06:56 Mrpopescu wrote:On November 26 2012 06:46 rafaliusz wrote:
no mercy thats what the nazys said when they entered Poland, lol this thread become epic Just ignore him. He just joined TL today, has been spouting some nonsense about how DeathAngel has made noble sacrifices and has been calling people Nazi's and racists for disagreeing with him. Probably not a coincidence he's also from Romania. Wouldn't be surprised if he's DA's alter ego or one of his buddies. From a native speaker you have a limited vocabulary.i''ve also seen your blog post which is written execrably.If I actually manage to reach 1400 posts on tl i hope they wont be as bad as yours.But nevertheless i like how stereotypical you are.it's not necessary to be a progamers friend to support him. User was banned for this post.
Noooo, come back, Mr. Popescu! I need you here to expand my vocabulary.
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