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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: It looks like McCabe has quit in protest. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42865202 It looks like Trump is going to try to gut the FBI and Justice department in his efforts to end the Russia probe. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:13 Plansix wrote: Removing Rosenstein is how you get Mueller fired and end the investigation. The same with removing McCabe. If these reports are true and they are pushing to do that, it is really going to change the tone is Washington fast. Republicans in the Graham/Flake camp won’t be happy and would likely work with Democrats to keep Mueller working. The optimal move probably is just to push out Rosenstein, then strangle out Mueller rather than firing him by diverting resources from his investigation saying things like "oh we can just use a House investigation for this, he doesn't need this many staff, and let's keep the Senate Intel one a little smaller too" and block him as much as you can when a stooge is the one with authority over him. The probability of these chuckleheads making the optimal move seems to be breathtakingly low, though. I also don't think McCabe stepping down is that unexpected; he has wanted to step down for ages, Trump hates him, he has the paid time to get his pension, and it makes it a lot easier if he is actually going to be an important witness in the Mueller investigation (Comey himself has said he discussed things with McCabe, iirc). | ||
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Mohdoo
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Plansix
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
My take is it's a career civil servant who's tired of dealing with shit like this which he never signed up for. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm not completely sure how to look at McCabe resigning. On one hand, he's obviously receiving a lot of pressure from the Trump administration/ supporters to do so. On the other hand, there have some reports about how he was planning to retire soon anyways (after he hit the required years of service for full benefits or something). He leaves in march... 2 months If trump is forcing him out now it is the dumbest play in the history of dumb plays by trump | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:25 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm not completely sure how to look at McCabe resigning. On one hand, he's obviously receiving a lot of pressure from the Trump administration/ supporters to do so. On the other hand, there have some reports about how he was planning to retire soon anyways (after he hit the required years of service for full benefits or something). My take is it's a career civil servant who's tired of dealing with shit like this which he never signed up for. i'm also inclined to think he's just tired of dealing with this nonsense and wants to retire sooner. at any rate, we can wait and see what develops; and just regard that as the default, and shift if evidence indicates otherwise. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:27 IyMoon wrote: He leaves in march... 2 months If trump is forcing him out now it is the dumbest play in the history of dumb plays by trump Yeah. This pretty much confirms the reports of Sessions and Trump trying to get McCabe to step down and throws more fuel on the fire that they are trying to influence the investigation. | ||
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Ryzel
United States568 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:34 Ryzel wrote: Realistically, even if Trump fired Mueller directly, what is motivating the necessary members of Congress to actually do anything about it vs. maintaining the status quo? I hear talk about a Graham/Flake camp of moderate Republicans who may do something when some arbitrary line is crossed, but it seems like that line is being pushed farther and farther back. just like Obama found out in Syria. It is a shit ton easier to say there is a line and hope nobody crosses it than enforcing the line | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:27 IyMoon wrote: He leaves in march... 2 months If trump is forcing him out now it is the dumbest play in the history of dumb plays by trump From everything we are hearing, those 2 months may be crucial. If Trump can get a lackey in as director of the FBI, that may be what he needs to avoid any disasters. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:39 Mohdoo wrote: From everything we are hearing, those 2 months may be crucial. If Trump can get a lackey in as director of the FBI, that may be what he needs to avoid any disasters. The director of the FBI is already a Trump appointee, though. And not one that he seems particularly unhappy with (though he doesn't believe the Mueller investigation is a witch-hunt, which Trump may not like). One who supposedly threatened to resign if he was forced to fire McCabe; this might even be Wray/McCabe's way of making sure Wray doesn't have to follow through on that threat and end up with Pruitt or whoever as FBI director, Wray out of a job, and McCabe not having a pension. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On January 30 2018 02:54 Danglars wrote: Lol. I really can’t make inroads with people like you. Your version of newsworthy is tainted by partisan beliefs. You act like we’re going to need five pages discussing this topic, when really it’s a short laugh and SB’s comment on hubris. She injects herself into the public eye with an overtly political act ... and Clinton allies/Democrats/leftists still think only Hillary obsession dominates. If you need a better definition of Trump derangement, look no further. lol people like me. you think a pre recorded comedy bit is newsworthy? ok. i don’t know if you need to make a mountain out of an opposing viewpoint, but you do you. she’s literally on TV after a stripper. THAT i almost find newsworthy. like maybe on Fox and Friends, or Alex Jones’ show. that you accuse me of making a big deal out of this in the middle of all that is staggering, though. sorry you feel that way, though i don’t know how you could’ve possibly gotten there. i agree with you that it’s good for a short laugh. i also don’t find short laughs particularly newsworthy. i also don’t think saying so is some big deal, as you seem to. BREAKING NEWS CAREER POLITICIAN MAKES POLITICAL JOKE IN VIDEO EDIT PLAYED AT HOLLYWOOD AWARDS CEREMONY WILL SHE SEE JAIL TIME? MORE AT 11 | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 30 2018 03:44 TheTenthDoc wrote: The director of the FBI is already a Trump appointee, though. And not one that he seems particularly unhappy with (though he doesn't believe the Mueller investigation is a witch-hunt, which Trump may not like). One who supposedly threatened to resign if he was forced to fire McCabe; this might even be Wray/McCabe's way of making sure Wray doesn't have to follow through on that threat and end up with Pruitt or whoever as FBI director, Wray out of a job, and McCabe not having a pension. Actually, as more info comes out - like McCabe not planning to leave Friday, employees finding out via the news - I'm starting to think there's more going on here. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 30 2018 04:11 brian wrote: lol people like me. you think a pre recorded comedy bit is newsworthy? ok. i don’t know if you need to make a mountain out of an opposing viewpoint, but you do you. she’s literally on TV after a stripper. THAT i almost find newsworthy. like maybe on Fox and Friends, or Alex Jones’ show. that you accuse me of making a big deal out of this in the middle of all that is staggering, though. sorry you feel that way, though i don’t know how you could’ve possibly gotten there. i don’t disagree with you that it’s good for a short laugh. i also don’t find short laughs particularly newsworthy. i also don’t think saying so is some big deal, as you seem to. BREAKING NEWS CAREER POLITICIAN MAKES POLITICAL JOKE IN HOLLYWOOD AWARDS CEREMONY WILL SHE SEE JAIL TIME? MORE AT 11 Usually, someone would let it pass with a short comment. It’s your camp that trots out the ‘omg Hillary obsession lines.’ I was not expected injured observers to feel the need to pipe up when their gal piped up herself. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
It's much more preferable to the opposite. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 30 2018 04:25 ticklishmusic wrote: Actually, as more info comes out - like McCabe not planning to leave Friday, employees finding out via the news - I'm starting to think there's more going on here. We'll see what happens with rosenstein. I think we'll have a much better idea as to what's happening tomorrow | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 30 2018 00:32 Danglars wrote: She should be on Trump’s payroll. The more she gets invited to speak at these things, the more we remember the 2016 choice. It might be better for your side to forget that trump ran against a reasonable candidate, and to pretend that he ran unopposed. Lest you cons forget that you voted for the orange clown when you had a reasonable alternative. | ||
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