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On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:
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You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo
Lisa Murkowski was able to do it in Alaska, but its to hard for Alabama.
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On November 11 2017 03:31 Nevuk wrote:
Well, the guy is a bit screwed up but that really is a proper apology. Rare stuff in our society where the macho toxic bs “never back off, never recognize you did anything wrong, never apologize” apparently makes you a tough guy (and not an unreflected coward as it should). Hope the best for CK, even though he will pay a dear, dear price for all this crap and rightfully so.
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On November 11 2017 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:
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Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit.
Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in. Are you actually arguing that the church shootings we've seen so far are done by 'militant atheists', or are you merely saying that to people who support Moore, this infowarsy hypotheses has significant traction and that once you believe in this alternative reality voting Moore becomes a logical course of action? I could agree with the latter - but only when coupled by a strong condemnation of conservatives who peddle this type of bullshit. I mean, the recentmost one was a Bible studies teacher, (although I saw youtube nutjobs blame antifa and say he was a muslim convert pretty much immediately) and I can't recall seeing a 'militant atheist agenda' displayed by anyone involved in any former church shooting either.
Actually, Danglars is correctly reading Erick's argument. This is the real conservative position. I attacked it because it really is what they think. Athiest shot up church (dubious) --> Left attacks church goers (extremely dubious generalization) --> okay for people to vote for Moore because Left is so bad.
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/
EDIT: get some. Hannity is going to make Moore a Conservative Principles mascot. Expect waves of Dem ads with Moore + Republican running for reelection.
EDIT2: okay, sure, I will stop calling him a ped. Statutory Rapist will be the new line. Or maybe Molester. Either way, Jones was tossing KKK members in jail while Moore was cruising custody cases for vulnerable teens.
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On November 11 2017 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:
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Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit.
Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in. Are you actually arguing that the church shootings we've seen so far are done by 'militant atheists', or are you merely saying that to people who support Moore, this infowarsy hypotheses has significant traction and that once you believe in this alternative reality voting Moore becomes a logical course of action? I could agree with the latter - but only when coupled by a strong condemnation of conservatives who peddle this type of bullshit. I mean, the recentmost one was a Bible studies teacher, (although I saw youtube nutjobs blame antifa and say he was a muslim convert pretty much immediately) and I can't recall seeing a 'militant atheist agenda' displayed by anyone involved in any former church shooting either.
An atheist can literally shoot up a church and be wounded by a man wielding an AR-15 and they'll still try to take guns away from law-abiding Christians. This is from reporting on his facebook posts and profile.
I'm saying that I have trouble condemning people that think Moore is the better choice on the balance.
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On November 11 2017 04:53 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:
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Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit.
Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in. Good to see that you are on record that voting for a pedophile is justified by the anti-liberal nonsense.
Good to see you like people to choose between religion and employment.
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On November 11 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:[quote] Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in. Are you actually arguing that the church shootings we've seen so far are done by 'militant atheists', or are you merely saying that to people who support Moore, this infowarsy hypotheses has significant traction and that once you believe in this alternative reality voting Moore becomes a logical course of action? I could agree with the latter - but only when coupled by a strong condemnation of conservatives who peddle this type of bullshit. I mean, the recentmost one was a Bible studies teacher, (although I saw youtube nutjobs blame antifa and say he was a muslim convert pretty much immediately) and I can't recall seeing a 'militant atheist agenda' displayed by anyone involved in any former church shooting either. An atheist can literally shoot up a church and be wounded by a man wielding an AR-15 and they'll still try to take guns away from law-abiding Christians. This is from reporting on his facebook posts and profile. I'm saying that I have trouble condemning people that think Moore is the better choice on the balance.
You think that the left wants to exempt atheists from gun restrictions? That they're targeting Christians with them? What?
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On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:
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You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo
Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend.
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On November 11 2017 05:30 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:53 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:[quote] Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in. Good to see that you are on record that voting for a pedophile is justified by the anti-liberal nonsense. Good to see you like people to choose between religion and employment.
We have returned to the good old days when standing for your beliefs means some sort of sacrifice. Like when it was against people’s religion to interact with an intern-racial marriage and the courts decided they could lose their jobs over that.
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That will look really sad for Republicans if Roy Moore gets elected. I mean they're literally going to elect a pedophile?
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On November 11 2017 05:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend.
What rights? Gun rights? Okay yeah the one Dem sen who is only in until 2020 is going to convince all the dems and 17 other repubs to vote on fun rights and over turn the veto trump will do.
The right to practice religion? Again, hes going to get every dem and 17 repubs to go along with this?
There is literally nothing on the line with this vote that makes it okay to vote for a pedo. He gets the seat until 2020 when he loses non pedo and everything goes on.
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Can you guys stop referring to the candidate as a pedo. Conflating someone who actually abused a child somehow with pedophilia is somewhat destructive and also isn't representing the actual choice that voters will have to make.
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On November 11 2017 05:35 Doodsmack wrote:
That will look really sad for Republicans if Roy Moore gets elected. I mean they're literally going to elect a pedophile?
Trump is President.
Also make no mistake the support is pure Christian Natalionalism.
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On November 11 2017 05:38 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:31 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:
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Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit.
Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend. What rights? Gun rights? Okay yeah the one Dem sen who is only in until 2020 is going to convince all the dems and 17 other repubs to vote on fun rights and over turn the veto trump will do. The right to practice religion? Again, hes going to get every dem and 17 repubs to go along with this? There is literally nothing on the line with this vote that makes it okay to vote for a pedo. He gets the seat until 2020 when he loses non pedo and everything goes on.
Sorry, you miss the court case before the supreme court? Dems are fucking on record.
You see how these make it to the Supreme Court? Senate confirms nominees.
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On November 11 2017 05:40 micronesia wrote:
Can you guys stop referring to the candidate as a pedo. Conflating someone who actually abused a child somehow with pedophilia is somewhat destructive and also isn't representing the actual choice that voters will have to make.
...what? doesn't abusing a kid kinda imply he's a pedo?
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On November 11 2017 05:41 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:38 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 05:31 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:[quote] Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend. What rights? Gun rights? Okay yeah the one Dem sen who is only in until 2020 is going to convince all the dems and 17 other repubs to vote on fun rights and over turn the veto trump will do. The right to practice religion? Again, hes going to get every dem and 17 repubs to go along with this? There is literally nothing on the line with this vote that makes it okay to vote for a pedo. He gets the seat until 2020 when he loses non pedo and everything goes on. Sorry, you miss the court case before the supreme court? Dems are fucking on record. You see how these make it to the Supreme Court? Senate confirms nominees.
You know that it requires the pres to appoint a nominee right? and that he will be there only until 2020 which is the end of trumps first term... so he will never ever get to vote on a liberal nominee
Te only meaningful thing a dem from Alabama will get to vote on is tax reform. If you think that tax reform is more important than not voting for the guy who abused a 14 year old girl... well that is on you
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On November 11 2017 05:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend.
Ohh the irony, this coming from you.
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On November 11 2017 05:44 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:31 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:
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Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit.
Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo Your rights aren't under threat, better look the other way. Great logic, friend. Ohh the irony, this coming from you.
If you disagree on extreme race rhetoric, you're against black rights. If you see Christians fined under threat of jailing for religious free expression and support for Christian church tax exemption fade, you shrug your shoulders. It's pretty much expected by now.
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On November 11 2017 05:09 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:
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You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore. Too hard, better vote pedo
It's especially egregious because in 1990 (before the internet and social media sunk their claws into politics) a similar situation arose with a Republican gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota. They only had 24 days before the election and still managed to mount an effective write-in campaign, especially after he stepped aside.
Here they have more than a month and vastly more effective communications technology but it's just too gosh darn hard...
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On November 11 2017 05:42 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 05:40 micronesia wrote:
Can you guys stop referring to the candidate as a pedo. Conflating someone who actually abused a child somehow with pedophilia is somewhat destructive and also isn't representing the actual choice that voters will have to make. ...what? doesn't abusing a kid kinda imply he's a pedo?
I should be more clear and say we shouldn't shame people for voting for a "pedo" in this case. While shaming is generally bad, if it's going to happen, do it because of voting for one with a history of abusing children, especially in a sexual way. Saying you shouldn't vote for someone because they meet the definition of pedophilia (not even clear if he does or not) is fairly different than saying you shouldn't vote for this guy. It's better to disassociate the brain from the acts and blame him for the acts.
edit: Not all pedophiles are child abusers and not all adults who sexually abuse children are pedophiles.
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