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On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound.
Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't)
Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work.
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On November 11 2017 03:47 Mercy13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On November 11 2017 03:18 Plansix wrote:
The naked doubling down on the culture war argument is a huge mistake for conservatives. It removes the idea that they are just pushing to have their beliefs reflected in society. Now their argument is that they are in direct conflict with other beliefs and must "win" without an end game or goal. Not sure what exactly you're referring to by culture war, but the one war that I think the left is absolutely losing is the racism one. We are losing that one really badly. I don't believe this is true. Racism is definitely more visible these days, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is more prevalent in society than it has been in the past. That visibility is a good thing because without it, it's not possible to make progress. Take cell phone cams and police brutality for example. Does anyone think that police today are more violent with suspects than they have been historically? I doubt it. Instead, we just hear about it more because of new technology and social media.
I agree with you, but my point is more so regarding the issue of "with regards to racism, how should we label most white people?", which is not going particularly well for the left. We need to crank the eject button and just tell whitey he's just fine.
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On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work.
I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences.
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On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences.
Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants)
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On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work.
Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply.
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On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
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Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply.
Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama
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On November 11 2017 04:14 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 03:22 IgnE wrote:On November 11 2017 02:06 mozoku wrote:On November 11 2017 00:41 KwarK wrote:On November 10 2017 15:25 mozoku wrote:On November 10 2017 13:52 KwarK wrote:On November 10 2017 13:50 mozoku wrote:On November 10 2017 03:34 KwarK wrote:On November 10 2017 03:01 mozoku wrote:On November 10 2017 00:04 KwarK wrote:
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It's the social contract that binds us together. If a man lived on an island by himself and all his possessions were crafted by his own hand I wouldn't see any reason to tax him. But within a capitalist society every rich man has become rich through the redistribution of labour from others to them. We allow capitalism to redistribute wealth because it's functionally effective for allocating resources within society but there is nothing natural about, say, land ownership. If a field in Texas is discovered to have oil underneath it it does not rationally follow that all Americans should have to collectively make the owner of the field a billionaire in order to make their commute to work.
You need to recognize that the wealth capitalism awards you is simply the product of an artificial system that was created by men to help decide whether ipods or zunes were better. The fact that an employer is willing to pay you $100,000 for your labour does not mean that the intrinsic value of your labour is $100,000, it's just a bullshit number that the system produced. If you get rid of society none of this labour has any intrinsic value, it's simply a product of a set of rules we created.
You're trying to combine two completely separate concepts, the individual and capitalist society and it doesn't work. You can't have capitalism on an island with one occupant. Taxation is part of the same book of rules that capitalism comes from, and neither makes any sense from an individualist perspective. I don't know how you're defining "intrinsic" value, but if an employer is willing to pay me $100,000, the market value of my labor is $100,000 (assuming efficient/competitive markets). If the market values my labor more than someone else's, it follows that (again, assuming efficient/competitive markets) society's best estimate of my labor's value is more than that other person's. Should not the fruits of society's labor be distributed, in principle, proportionally to those who created it? Especially given that, for most people, the market value of the labor is--to a pretty large degree--under their control during their lifetime? You can argue that heirs to large fortunes didn't really create the value that their fortune's create (their parents did) and I think that's fair (though there are counterarguments in favor of the estate tax as well), or that economic mobility isn't possible (I disagree), but to act like the only basis for how society's wealth should be distributed is the tyranny of the masses (who are writing the "book of rules" you're referencing--at least in a democracy) doesn't have any moral or ethical basis in favor of it. The share of the wealth you get and the share of the wealth you created aren't well correlated. That's pretty much the point of capitalism, the underlying mechanism that makes capitalism work is people attempting to do arbitrage to take advantage of that discrepancy. If you break it down to its very simplest village level bartering, the objective is to find something that you can produce in an hour that you can trade for firewood that took two hours to chop. You perform one hour of labour, and yet you get two hours of stuff. The mechanism relies upon disproportionate rewards to redistribute labour and direct economic activity. Clearly whatever the guy in the village was doing with his hour was the right thing to do, and other villagers may follow him until an equilibrium where 1 hour = 1 hour is restored. Arbitrage to exploit disproportionate rewards between what you contribute and what you get is the engine that drives capitalism. By the time we apply it on a modern global perspective the difference is staggering, a ratio of thousands of manhours to one in many cases. These differences are reinforced by artificial impositions upon the ability of many people to engage in arbitrage, such as denying Mexicans the ability to sell their labour in America, and by exploitation grandfathered in by the capital class. However, the basic engine remains the same, the economic systems offers participants in the economy disproportionate rewards for directing their labour in certain ways. The disproportionate outcome needs to exist for our society to work. We need doctors to get more than grocers to keep kids in school. But it doesn't follow that what the system outputs is what you deserve, or what you earned. It's certainly not what you created, any American can tell that the manhours of labour they consume on any given day greatly exceed the manhours of labour they performed. Deserve and earned are subjective moral concepts that aren't relevant to the mechanism, what you get is what you get. This is literally nonsense. I barely know where to begin. Suppose an hour's worth of labor chopping firewood produces $1 of firewood. The new guy creates $2/hr with whatever he's doing. He's twice as productive. If chooses to work the same amount of time, he gets twice as much stuff. That's literally the definition of proportional. How that's supposed to be disproportionate, I have no idea. The share of the wealth you get and the share of the wealth you created aren't well correlated. ??? I'm pretty sure fast-food workers are creating much less wealth than software engineers, successful investors, etc. I literally can't even imagine how society would exist if this statement were true. Why would capitalism even be efficient if this statement were true? What is your definition of "well correlated"? 0.99999999999999999?? It's certainly not what you created, any American can tell that the manhours of labour they consume on any given day greatly exceed the manhours of labour they performed. I'm not sure this is true at all. In fact, I'd lean towards not true if anything. Ever heard of an economy of scale? I work at a mega-scale tech company. I work 40-50 hrs/week, but my work influences thousands of people directly, and affects millions indirectly. Hell, the marginal cost of someone consuming my work is practically zero. Likewise, the marginal cost (in terms of other's time) of most of the stuff I consume is practically zero. That's how automation works, and is why we're fabulously wealthy compared to several hundred years ago. Why is the bartering village using dollars? Remove the dollars, try again. What objective system of valuation are you using to show that you're producing more value than the fast food worker from your day? Remembering of course that you're already justifying the getting more money than them by the fact that you create more value so you cannot complete the circle and use the more money to prove the greater value. Does it matter if they're bartering in gold, wood, virgins, or dollars? It's a trade they both agree to and the principles are the same. But I see the point that you're trying to make is that the efficient man's hour should, in principle, be worth no more than the inefficient man's hour if you don't care about productivity, and that productivity is independent of morality. However, the former statement is inherently incorrect because productivity and time are, by definition, linked, and a person's time has value in excess of that which can be determined monetarily. To simplify, let's assume they're both chopping lumber. The efficient man can simply choose to work 1/2 hour, have the same productivity, and keep the other 1/2 hour to himself. By nature of being more efficient (and his own efficiency is surely not intrinsically amoral), he's advantaged no matter what. Suppose, regardless of compensation, he only wanted to work 1/2 hour, and wanted to spend the other 1/2 hour with his kids. Are you going to argue that society is justified in forcing him to work the full hour? Or that they should discriminate against his good fortune by paying less for his lumber in the name of "equality"? That's certainly not a society I'd want to be a part of. I'm not saying anything of the sort regarding forcing people to work. No part of what I'm doing is advocating for societal change or the gulag. I'm saying that capitalism works as an effective tool for incentivising productive economic activity but that drawing moral conclusions regarding what you earned/own/deserve/created from the outcomes of a capitalist system is erroneous. It's very tempting to say "I'm paid twice as much money, therefore I earned twice as much" but what you earned is a moral judgement that capitalism makes no attempt to answer for you. I understand what you were trying to say. The problem is that productivity and time are directly dependent on each other, so the more efficient man literally owns the extra time his productivity has created (assuming you agree he should be free to use his time as he pleases). Whether or not you redistribute his present time or his past time is irrelevant from a moral perspective. Forcefully redistributing his wealth under any circumstances is equivalent to forced labor (perhaps a very small amount of forced labor, but a nonzero amount). Of course, everyone pretty much (including me) agrees that that if a second of forced labor at the end of a software engineer's workday can save millions of starving children (not realistic but making an extreme example to illustrate my point), it's morally justifiable to make the guy work the extra second. But the fact is it that's it's still a moral tradeoff that's being made. The software engineer has a true moral grievance (in some sense) in claiming that the arrangement is unfair to him--which stands in contrast to what you're asserting. You are really going down the wrong tracks here with "forced labor" and "moral grievance." Capitalism operates on "forced labor." It uses that "free labor" that is forced by necessity to take the market wage. You should really just abandon this whole line of thought. This is independent of my point. Life doesn't exist without "forced labor." We'd starve to death. You can complain to Mother Nature it it makes you feel better. Pure capitalism is a system that, at the very least, doesn't result in forced labor beyond what Mother Nature requires of us. You can choose simply choose not to trade (i.e. be a self-reliant hermit). Granted, that's not a very convincing argument when any sort of reasonable utility/freedom conversion rate of introduced, but nobody really argues for pure capitalism either. As I've argued since the beginning, the morality of taxation is about tradeoffs. You and KwarK are the ones arguing raising taxes is essentially infinitely justifiable if efficiency isn't a concern.
You're still not understanding my argument.
My argument is that the amount of money you get is output by what is essentially a black box. It's not just "put work in, get money out", lots of people work very hard and don't get shit, others don't work and get more money than they could spend. Taxes are a component of the internal mechanism of that black box.
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Voting for a candidate expecting them to resign upon winning so the governor can cheat the system to appoint a replacement is not how democracy works, I'm pretty sure. There's still like a month of time until the election, which is ample time to not have to subvert democracy.
This isn't "candidate gets in a plane crash the day before the election so I need to vote for a dead man" territory (a la Missouri 2000).
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On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
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Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants)
He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint".
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On November 11 2017 04:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Voting for a candidate expecting them to resign upon winning so the governor can cheat the system to appoint a replacement is not how democracy works, I'm pretty sure.
It works great if you have no respect for democracy and see it as an obstacle and your fellow citizens as enemies. That article describes straight up says that people who support Moore hate the people who will vote against him. Hating fellow Americas is their justification.
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On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters
I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint".
On one side, a pedophile.
On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519
But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore.
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On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama
"because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore.
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On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:
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You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch. Show nested quote +
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore.
Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in.
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On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in.
Good to see that you are on record that voting for a pedophile is justified by the anti-liberal nonsense.
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blaming dems for shooting up a church, not even Erickson went that far. nice.
are you slipping into parody entirely or was that just sarcasm that didn’t translate? i guess judging by your sincerity in criticizing the nun suing it’s the former.
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thought I read that Moore can't be replaced and that state law prevents Strange or Brooks from being a legitimate write in.
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On November 11 2017 04:58 Introvert wrote:
thought I read that Moore can't be replaced and that state law prevents Strange or Brooks from being a legitimate write in.
First part is true, not sure about the second.
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On November 11 2017 04:44 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:27 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:26 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:06 Introvert wrote:On November 11 2017 03:00 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Anti-left grievance && Culture War == okay to vote for monsters
I am going to come back to that piece again when Conservative Principles come up again in this thread. I have repeatedly said that Conservative Principles are really just anti-lib and Kulturkampf. Erick Erickson has kindly agreed with my thesis and laid it out as a justification for voting Republican. You only read the part of the post you wanted to. Keep up the good work. We'll continue to ignore you for the most part. Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. Sorry, dead victims and fined/jailed business owners does heighten the stakes of the election. It's more of a "has done/continue to do" rather than present scared. I mean the Obama administration actually sued Catholic nuns to force compliance and took it to the supreme court. Things would be different if you were in the cross hairs and not people that think and act differently than you. Empathy is in short supply. Empathy is in short supply? Did you forget the part where I said just write in the other R? Who will easily win because its Alabama "because you're scared of the liberals" is reductive and nonsense. I stated the reasons. That's before moving on.
Write-ins would fight against Moore's name (high name recognition due to his long history in Alabama) on the ballot and time is short. It's next month. You would spend half that period simply staffing before canvassing for the write in campaign. Replacing someone under accusation of child molestation with someone rejected in the primary for corruption is not a high gain. I still have sympathy for voters that still choose Moore.
Too hard, better vote pedo
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On November 11 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2017 04:42 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 04:34 Nevuk wrote:On November 11 2017 04:24 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:22 micronesia wrote:On November 11 2017 04:19 IyMoon wrote:On November 11 2017 04:08 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 11 2017 03:14 Danglars wrote:On November 11 2017 03:09 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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Erick's piece isn't long. The only part I didn't mention was his various whataboutisms and appeals to hypocrisy. His appeals to hypocrisy are laughable because he is using them in a piece to justify the hypocrisy in voting for a molester like Moore. Let's just assume everything he says is on shaky ground and proceed without troublesome addressing jack shit. Hey, look, you have zero arguments for anything and rely on dismissal and labeling. You're a credit to your intellectual side of the aisle. Read Erick's piece. He puts up several justifications for voting for Moore. I have accurately labeled them. The Left are the real villains opener + Show Spoiler +
Well, just this past Sunday a militant atheist shot up a church in Texas, killing about half the congregation. One of those killed was still in the womb, but the baby gets counted as a person to boost the arguments for gun control, otherwise the baby would just be a fetus.
And many on the left on social media attacked the congregants of the church. Some said they got what they deserved. Meanwhile, the media ran with stories of chainsaws attached to machine guns distorting all the basic facts out of willful ignorance.
A week before, a Muslim ran over a bunch of people in New York while Democrats were patting themselves on the back for showing Trump voters running over muslim kids on television.
A few weeks before that, a CBS lawyer lost her job for mocking the dead in Las Vegas that they deserved what they got after a mass shooting, the motive behind which is still unknown.
Anti Left Grievance + Show Spoiler +
While all of this is going on, a cake baker is headed to the Supreme Court because he had the audacity to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but he would not do all the decorations the gay couple wanted. So the baker got compared to a Nazi. He will join a florist at the Court who is being put out of business because despite having gay clients, she won’t provide flowers for gay weddings.
People are being harassed for refusing to cheer on men with mental illness who think they are women and the left thinks people in Alabama should have to let men use the ladies’ bathroom. The left is openly counting the days before churches can have their tax exempt status revoked for not embracing gay marriage. Christian private schools will be the first targets. The media on a near weekly basis runs stories that paint culturally conservative voters in a negative light, often distorting basic facts for the sake of narrative.
So you’ll have to excuse Trump voters and Moore voters for thinking the left in this country with a complicit media is out to get them.
Along comes a story about Roy Moore, a happily married man, that involves facts from 30 to 40 years ago and many of the same people who’ve spent a long time covering for people like Harvey Weinstein and are still covering for Hollywood pedophiles are piling on the man. The GOP, who hates cultural conservatives anyway, was quick to pile on.
I don’t blame the Roy Moore voters for thinking people are out to get them because people really are out to get them.
Moore is a fighter for these people. He purports to share their values. And all the people his voters hate happen to hate Roy Moore. They talk about innocence until proven guilty, but they’re ready to run Moore out of town. I don’t blame Moore’s voters, but I do have to blame those who are trying to defend Moore and dismiss the accusations or attack the women coming forward. Conservatism keeps being degraded by a bunch of people who talk Jesus and behave like Satan.
Culture War + Show Spoiler +
Y’all, I think the facts of the case as presented by the Washington Post are pretty damning. If I were a voter in Alabama, I would probably have to sit it out. But there are a lot of voters who are really damn tired of the culture war and they just want to be left alone. But the left won’t leave them alone. They’re coming for their churches’ tax exempt status. They are coming to force them to either get on board the secular progressive agenda or go into hiding. They are coming for their kids and their guns as well.
So now you are telling them they are really awful, bad people if they stick with Roy Moore instead of allowing into office a man who will side with the people who are out to get them?
I suspect they’ll take your aspersions and hate. They already think you hate them. And because the other side will accept nothing less than the destruction of their way of life, even if they want to walk away from Roy Moore they can’t. Because the other side is bent on their destruction and they think, rightly, that Roy Moore is the only one standing with them.
So we have the luxury of turning our nose up at it. And we can say character counts. But they believe character and morals count too and while they might find Moore’s actions reprehensible, they know the other side won’t be happy until their kids are brainwashed into thinking boys can be girls, a baby’s brains can be harvested with taxpayer subsides, and guns should be made extinct.
You really want to make them choose? You helped cause an existential crisis where they have every good reason to believe their way of life and their values are at stake and you want them to surrender? I can’t blame them for refusing even if I disagree. If you’re demanding the other side surrender in the culture war, don’t be surprised when they’re willing to stand with people they’d never otherwise consider in the name of protecting themselves and their families.
Left are the real villains (hypocrites) + Ant-left grievance + Culture War = Okay to vote for a molester These are the true values of conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/i-dont-blame-roy-moore-voters-for-sticking-with-him/EDIT: I do think that this is the most honest and straightforward case for Moore. Straight up tribalism and culture war as justifications for voting evil. The other defenses of voting Moore will be be much less honest than Erick is here. You're doing better than previously. I congratulate you. You missed that he advocates a resignation upon election, but hey, there was some effort here. A better thought process would be to look at history and conclude that the left is playing for keeps. Any one loss due to scandal or anything that leads to Dem control will result in them trying to solidify their gains and expand. You want to operate a business? Too bad! You'll be compelled to close down or violate your religious beliefs. Militant atheists will shoot up your church and the left will take away your guns to defend yourself next time. They'll show a pickup truck running down kids and pat themselves on the back all while Muslims continue to kill Americans with trucks, guns, and bombs. Your churches will lose their tax status and your teenage daughters will be changing along with boys in the high school locker room. The stakes are high. He's battling people that hate his voters guts regardless. They'll sit silent on Weinstein and make more victims if it means keeping their moral superiority to comment on other offenders. No universal standard here, you'll basically still get screwed. It's a much tougher choice than the left pretends (disingenuously) the choice to be. The author does a good job saying it does not excuse people defending the act, which was and is ludicrous. Also missed by Wulfey, but mustn't let facts get in the way of narrative. Basically, they have reason to believe their families, communities, and jobs hang in the balance should a Democrat ascend to the Senate. That's a very important consideration behind voting for a likely child molester. I really can't blame Alabama voters for that vote, though I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for him had he run in California in a competitive race. Wulfey likes universal disarmament of the right and indifference to culture wars ... basically a haughty, malicious person himself. Shitty choices abound. Nobody is quoting the first part of the post because nobody thinks he will ever do that (spoiler alert, he won't) Voting for a pedophile because you're scared of the liberals is the dumbest thing I have ever seen as a real defense. Fucking write in strange, just do a big write in campaign. If it takes a little more work to note vote for a pedophile then do the damn work. I think it's more about not voting for an abuser of children than not voting for someone because of their sexual orientation or preferences. Sure, whatever you need to not vote for the guy who put a 14 year olds hand on his penis (over his pants) He wasn't wearing pants (just underwear). Anyways, we all knew that Roy Moore was a lunatic who thought the law didn't apply to him. This isn't a huge surprise. The reaction of much of the GOP is fucking disgusting, though (specifically conservative media and the AL GOP. The establishment reaction was fine). The attitude is basically "better a conservative pedophile than a liberal saint". On one side, a pedophile. On the other side, a flesh and blood Atticus Finch.
“As I gave my undivided attention to Baxley’s powerful closing argument,” Jones told a House crime subcommittee two decades later, “I never in my wildest imagination dreamed that one day this case and my legal career would come full circle, giving me the opportunity, some 24 years later to prosecute the two remaining suspects for a crime that many say changed the course of history.”
More than 20 years after Chambliss was convicted, Jones would become U.S. attorney in Alabama and set out to finish what Baxley started. He brought charges against two more Klan members, Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., and Bobby Frank Cherry. The prosecutions have helped make him a contender in his Senate race against Republican Roy Moore, a controversial former judge. On Thursday, Moore was accused by a woman of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 and he was 32 — allegations he called “completely false” and his campaign dismissed as “the very definition of fake news.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/09/an-alabama-senate-race-conjures-the-awful-1963-church-bombing-that-killed-4-black-girls/?utm_term=.83969942f519But hey, did you hear that liberals are hypocrites cause of Bill Clinton? Or what about those cake baker's whose way of life will be destroyed by culture war liberals? That is enough for the principled conservatives out there to vote for Moore. Jobs for me, but not for thee! But let's go back to To Kill A Mockingbird and forget shooting up Christians and suing nuns. That's far too nasty to bring in.
Are you actually arguing that the church shootings we've seen so far are done by 'militant atheists', or are you merely saying that to people who support Moore, this infowarsy hypotheses has significant traction and that once you believe in this alternative reality voting Moore becomes a logical course of action? I could agree with the latter - but only when coupled by a strong condemnation of conservatives who peddle this type of bullshit. I mean, the recentmost one was a Bible studies teacher, (although I saw youtube nutjobs blame antifa and say he was a muslim convert pretty much immediately) and I can't recall seeing a 'militant atheist agenda' displayed by anyone involved in any former church shooting either.
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