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On November 01 2017 09:08 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:07 Plansix wrote:
The Coates peice sure was effective. We can't go three days without people bringing it up like it's some call to war against white people or something. Did you not get your email about the uprising on the 4th?
I was told to keep quiet and accept fate as the white oppressor.
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"Remember boys, those women are just out to get you, don't listen to them when they say they're being abused, they're just manipulating you. Brown people too, they think they're still oppressed, but you don't see anybody going around with a white hood, do you? It's all bullshit fellas, don't let anyone tell ya different."
"Oh and gays too. They just want to destroy America. Nothing goes between these cheeks."
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On November 01 2017 08:30 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 01 2017 04:17 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 03:29 Velr wrote:
Does this stuff in any way impact your day to day life? I ask because these hardcore feminists annoy me too, but they are just not present in my life.
So.. Do you follow media outrage or are you actually having experience on the subject? Discussing politics and society and social trends is just a hobby. Later on this can impact my children and my friends children and my community. Then there’s the routine surprise when I see only people on the right object to the Coates article and the left is in agreement or strangely silent. That part’s just my attempt to understand why people who think differently than me conclude as they do. Are you on board with the quoted arguments from the article? To what extent, if any, do you think toxic masculinity leads to this broad attack on masculinity itself by those that regularly criticize toxic masculinity? Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless. People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. Do you remember just how much she tried to get the activist wing behind her? She wouldn’t repeat Obama’s mistakes because she was a woman, identity politics all over the place. I grounded this in the professor’s masculinity stance and added the Coates piece as background. Have you read either and if so, what’s your opinion?
Skimmed the professor's piece when it was linked, just finished reading it now. I think her opinion is excessive and disagree with it, but it isn't the first out there opinion I've seen from the left. That kind of view is far from the mainstream and is only highlighted because it's extreme. I also won't be called a LINO because I don't agree with her.
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On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 01 2017 04:17 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 03:29 Velr wrote:
Does this stuff in any way impact your day to day life? I ask because these hardcore feminists annoy me too, but they are just not present in my life.
So.. Do you follow media outrage or are you actually having experience on the subject? Discussing politics and society and social trends is just a hobby. Later on this can impact my children and my friends children and my community. Then there’s the routine surprise when I see only people on the right object to the Coates article and the left is in agreement or strangely silent. That part’s just my attempt to understand why people who think differently than me conclude as they do. Are you on board with the quoted arguments from the article? To what extent, if any, do you think toxic masculinity leads to this broad attack on masculinity itself by those that regularly criticize toxic masculinity? Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless. People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck.
'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal.
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On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 01 2017 04:17 Danglars wrote:
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Discussing politics and society and social trends is just a hobby. Later on this can impact my children and my friends children and my community. Then there’s the routine surprise when I see only people on the right object to the Coates article and the left is in agreement or strangely silent. That part’s just my attempt to understand why people who think differently than me conclude as they do.
Are you on board with the quoted arguments from the article? To what extent, if any, do you think toxic masculinity leads to this broad attack on masculinity itself by those that regularly criticize toxic masculinity? Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless. People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal.
You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"?
If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so.
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On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless.
People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so.
the amount of negation in the above post is seriously confusing me. I don't even know which way it's supposed to be
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On November 01 2017 09:15 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 08:30 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 01 2017 04:17 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 03:29 Velr wrote:
Does this stuff in any way impact your day to day life? I ask because these hardcore feminists annoy me too, but they are just not present in my life.
So.. Do you follow media outrage or are you actually having experience on the subject? Discussing politics and society and social trends is just a hobby. Later on this can impact my children and my friends children and my community. Then there’s the routine surprise when I see only people on the right object to the Coates article and the left is in agreement or strangely silent. That part’s just my attempt to understand why people who think differently than me conclude as they do. Are you on board with the quoted arguments from the article? To what extent, if any, do you think toxic masculinity leads to this broad attack on masculinity itself by those that regularly criticize toxic masculinity? Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless. People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. Do you remember just how much she tried to get the activist wing behind her? She wouldn’t repeat Obama’s mistakes because she was a woman, identity politics all over the place. I grounded this in the professor’s masculinity stance and added the Coates piece as background. Have you read either and if so, what’s your opinion? Skimmed the professor's piece when it was linked, just finished reading it now. I think her opinion is excessive and disagree with it, but it isn't the first out there opinion I've seen from the left. That kind of view is far from the mainstream and is only highlighted because it's extreme. I also won't be called a LINO because I don't agree with her.
Thank you for your input.
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On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 01 2017 04:17 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 03:29 Velr wrote:
Does this stuff in any way impact your day to day life? I ask because these hardcore feminists annoy me too, but they are just not present in my life.
So.. Do you follow media outrage or are you actually having experience on the subject? Discussing politics and society and social trends is just a hobby. Later on this can impact my children and my friends children and my community. Then there’s the routine surprise when I see only people on the right object to the Coates article and the left is in agreement or strangely silent. That part’s just my attempt to understand why people who think differently than me conclude as they do. Are you on board with the quoted arguments from the article? To what extent, if any, do you think toxic masculinity leads to this broad attack on masculinity itself by those that regularly criticize toxic masculinity? Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless. People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive.
That's not what the theory is. You'd have better luck if you took the time to understand it before you attempted to critique it. All white heterosexual men are not part of a secret conspiracy, it's not like we meet up on the second Monday of each month to discuss how to keep down the blacks. But they are the entrenched empowered bloc within western society, whether they consciously choose to exploit that power or not.
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On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On November 01 2017 04:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Why "strangely silent"? There's a lot of stuff on the internet to consume, and most people who are on it will tacitly accept that most of it is dumb. Attempting to comment on everything that is dumb is pointless.
People comment on things that they care about. Such as, you care about some American culture war, so you will comment on things related to it. I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so.
no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people.
But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all.
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On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:On November 01 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:
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I care about finding what’s the forum fringe and what’s mainstream. I’m constantly disappointed by the shift towards the fringe. Did you read the Coates piece and what did you think of it? The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all.
So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression?
Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing.
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Being complicit is how oppression always happens. Whites just have had more power than anyone else in the US.
Award winning documentary maker on his civil arm documentary.
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On November 01 2017 10:08 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:
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The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all. So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression? Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing.
No I am not. I am not alleging any conspiracy. For Christs sake learn to actually read what other people write it's frustrating
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On November 01 2017 10:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 10:08 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:
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There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others.
This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive.
What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all. So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression? Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing. No I am not. I am not alleging any conspiracy. For Christs sake learn to actually read what other people write it's frustrating
Ok I suppose I'm reading too much into the "But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all."
But I'm glad that you don't think that white straight males are oppressing people. This is not the time to point fingers.
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On November 01 2017 10:08 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 07:47 Gahlo wrote:
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The fact that you're concerned with a political parties movements to the fringe is hilarious. Especially considering that Hillary existed as a candidate because the party didn't. There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive. What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all. So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression? Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing.
This is a neat trick you've done here. You create a position, attack it, then try to force everyone else to defend it. But since you created the position you can make it as indefensible as you like.
I have never met or read a person who thinks this thing you're claiming is widespread. Either you've crucially misunderstood someone, or you've just invented this entirely on your own and then attributed it to people you disagree with.
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On November 01 2017 10:30 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 10:08 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:
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There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others.
This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive.
What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all. So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression? Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing. This is a neat trick you've done here. You create a position, attack it, then try to force everyone else to defend it. But since you created the position you can make it as indefensible as you like. I have never met or read a person who thinks this thing you're claiming is widespread. Either you've crucially misunderstood someone, or you've just invented this entirely on your own and then attributed it to people you disagree with.
If you look at his post history, his trolling was a lot more obvious when he first started posting in this thread. He's been more subtle here and there, but I am still really surprised mods never banned him when he first started posting here.
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On November 01 2017 10:30 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 10:08 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 09:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 09:22 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:59 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:On November 01 2017 08:55 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 01 2017 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 01 2017 08:41 RealityIsKing wrote:
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There are a large percentage of people, including people on this forum that believes in conspiracy theories that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others.
This is downright racist, discriminatory, ridiculously and quite frankly, very divisive.
What are the main elements of the "conspiracy theories" as you see them? I can repeat myself. The main elements being that all heterosexual white males are "oppressing" others. Your average straight white male simple aren't getting up in the morning and say "Heh heh, I wonder how many people I can go out and oppress today!" You don't need to believe in gravity to stick to the ground, are you trying to tell us that someone needs to be conscious of their behaviour for it to have real consequences? And then you have people who believes that white straight males are just genetically born to oppress people. Like come on bro, most white straight males are just trying to get through a hard day at work to earn that paycheck. 'genetically born to oppress'? who the hell is claiming anything close to this? Most people are trying to get through the day earning a paycheck, no matter if black queer or white. That most people are ordinary hardly proofs that nobody can act maliciously towards one another. You seem to really dig into the idea that oppression is necessary grand and only carried out by extraordinary evil people. Most violence and generally debased behaviour is quite banal. You were saying how some things happens unconsciously, aren't you not applying that to the notion of "all white straight people are oppressive"? If you don't disagree with that concept, just say so. no, not all white or straight people oppress other people, it's just that intention is not a requirement for oppression or neglect. The former doesn't follow from the latter at all. There are many white or straight or people who do not oppress other people. But you thinking that you don't oppress someone else or you having a tough job doesn't mean that you're automatically absolved at all. So are you still going with the the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression? Unless you are profiting from thinking this way, its not exactly healthy or sane to be this guilt inducing. This is a neat trick you've done here. You create a position, attack it, then try to force everyone else to defend it. But since you created the position you can make it as indefensible as you like. I have never met or read a person who thinks this thing you're claiming is widespread. Either you've crucially misunderstood someone, or you've just invented this entirely on your own and then attributed it to people you disagree with.
Hey, nobody forced anyone to defend it if you want to defend the conspiracy theory that white heterosexual males are complicit in oppression, that's your opinion to make.
But I'm glad that you don't think that white straight males are oppressing people. It is imperative to not fall as the consumer prey of the victimhood industry.
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I honestly don't know why people engage with RiK anymore.
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