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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
August 18 2017 17:49 GMT
#169681
Bannon's horcruxes dwindle in number by the day, I don't think he's long for this world.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 18 2017 17:50 GMT
#169682
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 18 2017 17:52 GMT
#169683
i'm excited for bannon to spill beans
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2017 17:56 GMT
#169684
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42663 Posts
August 18 2017 17:58 GMT
#169685
I'll believe that when I see it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 18:00:11
August 18 2017 17:59 GMT
#169686
Wow. Trump actually took the advice of the people that were giving good advice compatible with his personal agenda instead of stroking his ego. Maybe they threw in some ego stroking too (and brought back the whole puppet thing that was grinding Trump for a while)

On August 19 2017 02:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/898594013409882112


The cynic in me says this is surely a front and they'll still basically just be Trump lovers, just perhaps not so openly (making their messaging that much more effective)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 18 2017 18:02 GMT
#169687
This is unfortunate news. Bannon really spiced up the administration.

I look forward to seeing what happens when Trump runs out of fall guys and then he himself has to answer for the shittiness of his rather crooked administration.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 18 2017 18:03 GMT
#169688
On August 19 2017 02:39 Falling wrote:
@Wolf

Yes, the speaker is Adrienne Smith and that is the exact quote. I don't see how it's in another context or do you mean that if you don't seek out and establish a person's pronouns and subsequently 'mispronoun' that constitutes something akin to sexism in the workplace? Or is it that if you refuse to use squeak, elkself, squeakself, tik, dai, necro, frankenself, merself, vamp, witchself, whomp (that's a great one), botself, mechie, and so on (man, tumblr is educational), then this would constitute harassment and workplace discrimination?

It means that the bar for discrimination in the work place, or other environments, is already quite high. And while you can get in trouble in general for being an ass-hole at work, it takes several degrees higher before human rights complaints can start to factor in.

Like any other current charges of discrimination (or discriminatory environments), there has to be intent, sustained action, etc.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2017 18:05 GMT
#169689
Not even a year...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 18 2017 18:06 GMT
#169690
On August 19 2017 03:02 LegalLord wrote:
This is unfortunate news. Bannon really spiced up the administration.

I look forward to seeing what happens when Trump runs out of fall guys and then he himself has to answer for the shittiness of his rather crooked administration.


It's funny how different people get axed as if to correct a specific issue (in Bannon's case, Trump's reaction to the Nazi rallies), when in fact the problem is and always will be Trump himself. And that won't change so long as he's in office.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 18 2017 18:09 GMT
#169691
On August 19 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 01:39 Nevuk wrote:

They might be bummed out when they get there. Durham is almost 40% black and not a college town. Ripping down statues may pull 200 protesters from the left, but I think opposing Nazis is going to pull a lot more.


Duke and NC Central have to make up most of the population of the city. Gonna question you on it not being a college town.

Plus even if you don't consider Durham itself a college town it is 15 minutes from UNC and 30 minutes from NC State so you could easily see those people coming in.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
August 18 2017 18:09 GMT
#169692
On August 19 2017 02:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/898594013409882112


Breitbart vs. Trump would be hilarious.

I'm so glad Steve Bannon is gone.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 18 2017 18:16 GMT
#169693
On August 19 2017 03:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
On August 19 2017 01:39 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/JillianDURM/status/898541381781782529

They might be bummed out when they get there. Durham is almost 40% black and not a college town. Ripping down statues may pull 200 protesters from the left, but I think opposing Nazis is going to pull a lot more.


Duke and NC Central have to make up most of the population of the city. Gonna question you on it not being a college town.

Plus even if you don't consider Durham itself a college town it is 15 minutes from UNC and 30 minutes from NC State so you could easily see those people coming in.

Straight up, I thought it was more of a working class city. I also didn’t know Duke was there, but I don’t watch basket ball and that seems to be the only reason to be aware of Duke’s existence.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 18:19:54
August 18 2017 18:17 GMT
#169694
On August 19 2017 03:02 LegalLord wrote:
This is unfortunate news. Bannon really spiced up the administration.

I look forward to seeing what happens when Trump runs out of fall guys and then he himself has to answer for the shittiness of his rather crooked administration.


The beauty of being an executive who hires basically whoever you want whenever you want is that you never run out of fall guys. Most of these people are in the weird pseudo-positions that aren't really part of the government anyway, so it's child's play to rise and repeat.

On August 19 2017 03:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 03:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On August 19 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
On August 19 2017 01:39 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/JillianDURM/status/898541381781782529

They might be bummed out when they get there. Durham is almost 40% black and not a college town. Ripping down statues may pull 200 protesters from the left, but I think opposing Nazis is going to pull a lot more.


Duke and NC Central have to make up most of the population of the city. Gonna question you on it not being a college town.

Plus even if you don't consider Durham itself a college town it is 15 minutes from UNC and 30 minutes from NC State so you could easily see those people coming in.

Straight up, I thought it was more of a working class city. I also didn’t know Duke was there, but I don’t watch basket ball and that seems to be the only reason to be aware of Duke’s existence.


Durham is facing pretty absurd levels of gentrification since Chapel Hill and Carrboro filled up and basically 3 growing universities all have students and grad students there. Just look at the number of craft breweries you can see on Yelp
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 18:21:42
August 18 2017 18:19 GMT
#169695
On August 19 2017 03:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 02:39 Falling wrote:
@Wolf

Yes, the speaker is Adrienne Smith and that is the exact quote. I don't see how it's in another context or do you mean that if you don't seek out and establish a person's pronouns and subsequently 'mispronoun' that constitutes something akin to sexism in the workplace? Or is it that if you refuse to use squeak, elkself, squeakself, tik, dai, necro, frankenself, merself, vamp, witchself, whomp (that's a great one), botself, mechie, and so on (man, tumblr is educational), then this would constitute harassment and workplace discrimination?

It means that the bar for discrimination in the work place, or other environments, is already quite high. And while you can get in trouble in general for being an ass-hole at work, it takes several degrees higher before human rights complaints can start to factor in.

Like any other current charges of discrimination (or discriminatory environments), there has to be intent, sustained action, etc.

Would not using those above pronouns constitute 'being an ass-hole at work'? Because it seems being an ass-hole is a much lower bar to cross and likely all that would be sufficient to give just cause for firing (see people's defence of Damore's firing.) And then suppose you sustained your refusal to not use those pronouns are moving to discrimination then or does it matter the intent- that one doesn't think any less of the person as a person, but one just doesn't think pronouns are individualized in the same way as proper nouns.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 18:22:55
August 18 2017 18:19 GMT
#169696
On August 19 2017 03:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 03:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On August 19 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
On August 19 2017 01:39 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/JillianDURM/status/898541381781782529

They might be bummed out when they get there. Durham is almost 40% black and not a college town. Ripping down statues may pull 200 protesters from the left, but I think opposing Nazis is going to pull a lot more.


Duke and NC Central have to make up most of the population of the city. Gonna question you on it not being a college town.

Plus even if you don't consider Durham itself a college town it is 15 minutes from UNC and 30 minutes from NC State so you could easily see those people coming in.

Straight up, I thought it was more of a working class city. I also didn’t know Duke was there, but I don’t watch basket ball and that seems to be the only reason to be aware of Duke’s existence.


While Durham is right next to Research Triangle Park, most of the workers live in Raleigh and the surround suburbs.

^^TheTenthDoc comment spot on as well
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4767 Posts
August 18 2017 18:21 GMT
#169697
If there's one thing Trump knows how to do well, it's firing people.
But that's obviously because he's in denial of himself. He's just utterly incapable of taking responsibility; it's so sad that you have a stubborn, narcissistic manchild of a president who barely passes level 8 in reading/writing/speaking skills.
Taxes are for Terrans
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 18 2017 18:22 GMT
#169698
On August 19 2017 03:19 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 03:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 19 2017 02:39 Falling wrote:
@Wolf

Yes, the speaker is Adrienne Smith and that is the exact quote. I don't see how it's in another context or do you mean that if you don't seek out and establish a person's pronouns and subsequently 'mispronoun' that constitutes something akin to sexism in the workplace? Or is it that if you refuse to use squeak, elkself, squeakself, tik, dai, necro, frankenself, merself, vamp, witchself, whomp (that's a great one), botself, mechie, and so on (man, tumblr is educational), then this would constitute harassment and workplace discrimination?

It means that the bar for discrimination in the work place, or other environments, is already quite high. And while you can get in trouble in general for being an ass-hole at work, it takes several degrees higher before human rights complaints can start to factor in.

Like any other current charges of discrimination (or discriminatory environments), there has to be intent, sustained action, etc.

Would not using those above pronouns constitute 'being an ass-hole at work'? Because it seems being an ass-hole is a much lower bar to cross and likely all that would be sufficient to give just cause for firing (see people's defence of Damore's firing.)

Why wouldn’t it? That is a form of harassment. The same with refusing to use someone’s married name because they are in an interracial marriage. Or using a nick name that someone has said they do not want to be called that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 18:22:17
August 18 2017 18:22 GMT
#169699
On August 19 2017 03:21 Uldridge wrote:
If there's one thing Trump knows how to do well, it's firing people.
But that's obviously because he's in denial of himself. He's just utterly incapable of taking responsibility; it's so sad that you have a stubborn, narcissistic manchild of a president who barely passes level 8 in reading/writing/speaking skills.


Of all the firings he has yet to do one himself. He sends someone else to do it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 18 2017 18:22 GMT
#169700
On August 19 2017 03:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 03:02 LegalLord wrote:
This is unfortunate news. Bannon really spiced up the administration.

I look forward to seeing what happens when Trump runs out of fall guys and then he himself has to answer for the shittiness of his rather crooked administration.


The beauty of being an executive who hires basically whoever you want whenever you want is that you never run out of fall guys. Most of these people are in the weird pseudo-positions that aren't really part of the government anyway, so it's child's play to rise and repeat.

He's running out of willing hires at an impressive rate. Working for the Trump admin is a career hazard. Sooner or later he's just going to be left with a contingent of zero allies and his head will be next for the chopping block. At this rate it's inevitable since we are but seven months in.
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