EPTOn July 29 2017 06:19 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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Just added the snippet from Nevuk for those who don't wanna click.
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Just added the snippet from Nevuk for those who don't wanna click.
Melania next please.
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Melania next please. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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On July 29 2017 05:56 Falling wrote: Maybe it's not the worst it's ever been, but isn't it pretty bad, particularly in south-east Asia with the sex trade and sex tourism? While it's bad, it's not...worse? I mean, that is generally one of the regions that has always had the problem for most of recent history. | ||
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Gorsameth
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One of the main tenant of a Democracy is politicians beholden to the people and in the past few pages I think I have pretty obviously blamed both. The system isn't working your right. And the mind boggling part is that we have people in this thread admitting they hate the Republican politicians, yet they keep voting for them! They are pushing a button that only punches them in the gut and they keep pressing it because they have always pressed the button, and so did they father before them and his father before him. Ofcourse I'm going to blame them... This whole line of discussion started with holding people responsible for the politicians they vote for. The system being broken does not change that. But sure lets turn our focus to the system itself. I wonder if it is a topic that has been discussed many times in this thread. Why yes it has been, and I have often blasted the FPTP system for its many flaws. So yes lets change that, tobad the people who can change it are the people who profit from it. So we are back to step 1, voting in better politicians. Campaign finance, yes it is also something I have remarked on in the past that its insane that bribing politicians is legal in the US. So yes lets change that, tobad the people who can change it are the people who profit from it. So we are back to step 1, voting in better politicians. The electoral collage. yes it is also something I have remarked on in the past that it no longer serves a purpose and only further muddles the water of elections, resulting in Presidents with less support then their opponent who lost. So yes lets change that, tobad the people who can change it are the people who profit from it. So we are back to step 1, voting in better politicians. And limiting 'fake news' was discussed yesterday? I thought we all agreed that you get authoritarian regimes that way? Free speech is Free speech, its not 'Speech that I happen to find right'. Sucks but freedom comes at a cost. There is a recurring theme here, if we want to implement idea's to improve the democratic system in the US we need to first elect politicians who are willing to enact those changes and not cling on to their seat with lies and play a game of Russian roulette with the citizens they are supposed to serve. (Or we can have a revolution but gl getting that off the ground and I think the track record of those in recent years hasn't been that great. How is the arab spring going?). | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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On July 29 2017 06:22 WolfintheSheep wrote: While it's bad, it's not...worse? I mean, that is generally one of the regions that has always had the problem for most of recent history. I mean it's not as big as when we were in the height of the slave trade right (at least relative to world population size.) that seems unlikely to me without having the numbers off the top of my head | ||
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On July 29 2017 06:37 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/891018938707918849 Really? Yet he's okay with Trump's language? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 29 2017 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Really? Yet he's okay with Trump's language? I honestly don't get what the outrage was about that. Was there anything that was worse than what Trump says because I'd say the only difference is consistency here and that he said those things about Bannon. Change Bannon to Obama or anything else really and people on the right would have cheered for not catering towards pc culture, saying it how it is and all that stuff. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Scaramucci looked at other stuff like that and thought people, at least on the right, would like him for being... idk, frank? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 29 2017 06:45 Toadesstern wrote: I honestly don't get what the outrage was about that. Was there anything that was worse than what Trump says because I'd say the only difference is consistency here and that he said those things about Bannon. Change Bannon to Obama or anything else really and people on the right would have cheered for not catering towards pc culture, saying it how it is and all that stuff. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Scaramucci looked at other stuff like that and thought people, at least on the right, would like him for being... idk, frank? Yeah I agree. "Grab em by the pussy" is in the same field as "Suck my cock" in terms of foul language, as far as I can tell. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On July 29 2017 06:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/891046384870281216 Gl with that, he will find its hard to get anything done with a fully hostile congress. | ||
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IgnE
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On July 29 2017 06:21 KwarK wrote: You're advocating for people taking substances for health purposes that are entirely unregulated based upon "rational people would have known there were risks" to consuming supplements. At the very least that's bypassing the FDA. i shouldnt have to repeat this but i am asking for STRICTER controls. I want the bottle to contain what it says it contains. right now its the wild fucking west. insofar as you think adults shouldnt be allowed to take plant extracts if they want to, i think thats nuts. bodily autonomy | ||
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Gorsameth
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On July 29 2017 06:56 IgnE wrote: i shouldnt have to repeat this but i am asking for STRICTER controls. I want the bottle to contain what it says it contains. right now its the wild fucking west. insofar as you think adults shouldnt be allowed to take plant extracts if they want to, i think thats nuts. bodily autonomy Sure, bodily autonomy. But then we should still be clearly telling them what they are taking. Not trying to sneak by hazardous materials without informing them you know? And not by just putting the latin name on the label. But on actual possible side effects. | ||
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Edit: Guess I missed Trump typical policy-by-tweet. Wonder if he told him ahead of time or if this was another Comey. | ||
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Donald Trump has appeared to advocate rougher treatment of people in police custody. The president was promoting his hardline immigration agenda to an audience of police officers and the relatives of victims of crime in Brentwood, Long Island. “If you’re a gang member and you’re here illegally, you’re going home,” the senior White House adviser Stephen Miller told reporters traveling to New York on Air Force One with Trump. In his speech, however, the president spoke dismissively of arresting officers who protect suspects’ heads while putting them in police cars. “And when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon,” he said, “you just see ’em thrown in, rough. “I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice.’ Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting the head. You know? The way you put the hand over [the head], like ‘Don’t hit their head’ and they’ve just killed somebody, ‘Don’t hit their head.’ “I said, ‘You can take the hand away,’ OK?” The president’s remarks drew cheers, laughter and applause. Trump also claimed that laws were written to “protect the criminal” and “not the officers” and told his audience the “laws are stacked against you” and needed to be changed. Trump pledged to “destroy” the international MS-13 street gang and other similar organizations, saying he was focused on MS-13 because it is “particularly violent”. MS-13, or Mara Salvatrucha, originated among El Salvadorean migrants in Los Angeles in the 1980s. The justice department has said it now has more than 10,000 members across the US. Trump’s speech came as the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, traveled to El Salvador to highlight progress on the gang crackdown under which, civil rights groups counter, police and immigration agents have unfairly targeted some teenagers. “We received complaints in recent weeks from terrified parents on Long Island that teens have already been detained on the thinnest of rationales, such as wearing a basketball jersey,” said Sebastian Krueger from the New York Civil Liberties Union. There have been at least two lawsuits filed by people claiming they were mistakenly included in gang databases and then targeted for deportation, said Paromita Shah, from the National Immigration Project at the National Lawyers Guild. The MS-13 gang has committed a string of gruesome murders in Suffolk County, New York, including the April killing of four young men. There have been 17 murders on Long Island tied to the gang since January 2016, the Suffolk County police department has said. Trump told his audience MS-13 members did not like to shoot their victims because death came too fast, preferring instead to knife and cut their victims, so they died slowly and more painfully. “These are animals,” he said. Source | ||
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