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DarkPlasmaBall
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IyMoon
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m4ini
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Was linked earlier by someone, seems to be better than CNN. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 28 2017 13:55 IyMoon wrote: What is going on with the vote? Is CNN just useless right now? Yeah go here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?431873-1/us-senate-skinny-repeal-vote-looms-health-care-debate First vote came in and the motion to stop the repeal process (i.e. "motion to send back to committee") failed, which gives the green light for the second vote, which is the motion to pass the Skinny Repeal. In other words, Republicans won Round One, which gets them to the second round. If they also win Round Two, then Americans are screwed. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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The bill failed to be sent back to committee. It is now headed to the House for voting. | ||
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m4ini
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Not sure how true it is, but it sounds reasonable. edit: no idea how i get to quote a single tweet rather than the combined thing there edit2: guess ima watch Innovation vs Maru and then go bed, i don't think anything is gonna happen anytime soon now. Don't disappoint, americans. And by that i don't mean "more retarded news". | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 28 2017 13:58 m4ini wrote: https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890797940528234498 Not sure how true it is, but it sounds reasonable. edit: no idea how i get to quote a single tweet rather than the combined thing there What's the purpose of a Republican voting No in the first vote only to vote No again in the second vote? They seem to basically be contradictory. | ||
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Introvert
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On July 28 2017 13:54 Wulfey_LA wrote: ACA doesn't start from a 'right to healthcare'. Everyone that has any money has to pay in to get insurance. The deeply poor get subsidies or medicaid. Speaking as a Liberal, I have consistently pushed back against Single Payer when it comes up here as too disruptive and expensive in the USA. There exists a substantial gap between Left/Socialists and Liberals. Liberals are policy driven people who read data and work from the data. Take the SkinnyRepeal being voted on right now. It is a policy disaster. Big premium hikes, coverage quality drops, death spirals in individual markets. The bill is bad on the merits. I am not reasoning from some kind of Marxist doctrine. But I think you could defend the SkinnyRepeal. It appeals to the "libs, taxes, government bad' ethic of Conservatism. If my read on Conservatism is right, then you won't care that SkinnyRepeal is going to be a disaster Here is the SkinnyRepeal. I would like to hear what you think of it. For reference, here is the AMA on SkinnyRepeal. + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/AmerMedicalAssn/status/890775681092681728 And now thanks for another demonstration of And this is why most of the right-leaning posters just skip on by your posts. The ACA most certainly DID start with that premise, that was whole point. "People are paying too much and tens of millions are uninsured!" No, the bill doesn't literally say that, but that's the idea behind it all. The fact that it massively increased premiums and didn't cover nearly as many people as they said it would be damned. Liberals are policy driven people who read data and work from the data. ...and you use that to further an objective. You have a reason for doing something. "data" is not a reason. I think "skinny repeal" sucks. The process sucks, the bill sucks, and the betrayal sucks. I don't know why you had the impression I was in favor of it, except perhaps that you don't actually read what people write in any sort of reasonable manner. | ||
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Danglars
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Skinny repeal puts the GOP name on the failure of intact ACA; vote this sucker down I say. | ||
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m4ini
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On July 28 2017 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What's the purpose of a Republican voting No in the first vote only to vote No again in the second vote? They seem to basically be contradictory. Beats me. Honestly. Actually, could there be the possibility that they just want to slap it down entirely rather than having to vote on it again? As in, pass it the first round, smack it the second which just throws it out of the window? | ||
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Introvert
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On July 28 2017 14:01 Danglars wrote: Theyre whipping the vote live. So they still don't have the votes. Skinny repeal puts the GOP name on the failure of intact ACA; vote this sucker down I say. Can't believe I'm rooting for McCain. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Perhaps getting to Round Two achieves some sort of checkpoint for next time, such that the repeal process is easier next time around if they fail to Skinny Repeal this time around. Otherwise it would seem useless. | ||
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m4ini
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On July 28 2017 14:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Perhaps getting to Round Two achieves some sort of checkpoint for next time, such that the repeal process is easier next time around if they fail to Skinny Repeal this time around. Otherwise it would seem useless. See my edit, that's my best guess as someone who has no clue as to how this process works in detail. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 28 2017 14:04 m4ini wrote: See my edit, that's my best guess as someone who has no clue as to how this process works in detail. That's fair, although I wasn't aware if voting No in Round Two truly does slap it down for good. I have no idea what's going on either, but it does seem- for some reason- that Republicans don't have enough votes yet to pass the Skinny Repeal, or else they would have forced the formal vote I think. I hope that's true... | ||
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Nevuk
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538 is doing a nice liveblog http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/senate-vote-health-care/ Wow | ||
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m4ini
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On July 28 2017 14:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's fair, although I wasn't aware if voting No in Round Two truly does slap it down for good. I have no idea what's going on either, but it does seem- for some reason- that Republicans don't have enough votes yet to pass the Skinny Repeal, or else they would have forced the formal vote I think. I hope that's true... That's an assumption on my part, otherwise it's quite pointless to vote again. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 28 2017 14:07 Nevuk wrote: I'm not sure the democrats will get a better deal than Skinny repeal unless the GOP just decides "Fuck it, we're not repealing" which seems... unlikely. Yeah but none of the Republican options have even come close to being okay deals, as the CBO and the medical community have shown. The removal of the ACA should stay as a partisan act of bullshit and not have any approval from the Democrats, so that the Republicans are as likely as possible to hang themselves when they fuck over their constituents. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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Either way, this looks REALLY REALLY bad for McConnell. Even if it passes he fucked up. | ||
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Danglars
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And the way we repeal Obamacare is frenzied votes in the middle of the night with a bill that repeals hardly anything and a president that doesn't care what's in it. It's also pretty transparently a lobbyist crafting at this point considering what actually made it in. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 28 2017 14:08 m4ini wrote: That's an assumption on my part, otherwise it's quite pointless to vote again. Yeah... so I wonder if there's an official deadline or time for the second round of voting. Is it supposed to be right after, a few hours after, etc.? | ||
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