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I am now seeing why they don't trust government and want guns. It makes sense to me.
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If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin.
In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election.
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On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. Show nested quote +In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT
I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier?
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Donald Trump’s promise to use existing funds to begin immediate construction of a wall on the US-Mexico border has hit a financial roadblock, according to a document seen by Reuters.
The rapid start of construction, promised throughout Trump’s campaign and in an executive order issued in January on border security, was to be financed, according to the White House, with “existing funds and resources” of the Department of Homeland Security.
But so far, the DHS has identified only $20m that can be redirected to the multibillion-dollar project, according to a document prepared by the agency and distributed to congressional budget staff last week.
The document said the funds would be enough to cover a handful of contracts for wall prototypes, but not enough to begin construction of an actual barrier. This means that for the wall to move forward, the White House will need to convince Congress to appropriate funds.
An internal report, previously reported by Reuters, estimated that fully walling off or fencing the entire southern border would cost $21.6bn – $9.3m per mile of fence and $17.8m per mile of wall.
DHS officials did not respond to a request for comment on this story.
Trump has said he will ask Congress to pay for what existing funds cannot cover and that Mexico will be pressured to pay back US taxpayers at a later date.
Republican House speaker Paul Ryan has said he will include funding for a border wall in the budget for the next fiscal year. He has estimated the cost to be between $12bn and $15bn.
Many Republican lawmakers have said they would vote against a plan that does not offset the cost of the wall with spending cuts.
In the document it submitted to Congress, the DHS said it would reallocate $5m from a fence project in Naco, Arizona, that came in under budget and $15m from a project to install cameras on top of trucks at the border.
The surveillance project was awarded to Virginia-based Tactical Micro but was held up due to protests from other contractors, according to the DHS document. Tactical Micro could not be reached for comment.
The DHS only searched for extra funds within its $376m budget for border security fencing, infrastructure and technology, so it would not have to ask for congressional approval to repurpose funding, according to the document.
Contractors cannot begin bidding to develop prototypes until 6 March but more than 265 businesses already have listed themselves as “interested parties” on a government web site.
Those interested range from small businesses to large government contractors such as Raytheon.
Source
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On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier?
Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage.
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On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage.
The deaths are a far cry from proof of wrongdoing, that much is true. But unnamed sources are the bread and butter of journalism and you may be looking pretty silly pretty soon if there's fire underneath these billowing plumes of smoke.
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Whatever the case if it's true he committed perjury
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On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage.
The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint.
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On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news.
Trump and his administration have earned extreme distrust based on their actions and statements. I don't get how you're so lost that you think legitimate news outlets are the ones in the wrong here.
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On March 02 2017 11:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump’s promise to use existing funds to begin immediate construction of a wall on the US-Mexico border has hit a financial roadblock, according to a document seen by Reuters.
The rapid start of construction, promised throughout Trump’s campaign and in an executive order issued in January on border security, was to be financed, according to the White House, with “existing funds and resources” of the Department of Homeland Security.
But so far, the DHS has identified only $20m that can be redirected to the multibillion-dollar project, according to a document prepared by the agency and distributed to congressional budget staff last week.
The document said the funds would be enough to cover a handful of contracts for wall prototypes, but not enough to begin construction of an actual barrier. This means that for the wall to move forward, the White House will need to convince Congress to appropriate funds.
An internal report, previously reported by Reuters, estimated that fully walling off or fencing the entire southern border would cost $21.6bn – $9.3m per mile of fence and $17.8m per mile of wall.
DHS officials did not respond to a request for comment on this story.
Trump has said he will ask Congress to pay for what existing funds cannot cover and that Mexico will be pressured to pay back US taxpayers at a later date.
Republican House speaker Paul Ryan has said he will include funding for a border wall in the budget for the next fiscal year. He has estimated the cost to be between $12bn and $15bn.
Many Republican lawmakers have said they would vote against a plan that does not offset the cost of the wall with spending cuts.
In the document it submitted to Congress, the DHS said it would reallocate $5m from a fence project in Naco, Arizona, that came in under budget and $15m from a project to install cameras on top of trucks at the border.
The surveillance project was awarded to Virginia-based Tactical Micro but was held up due to protests from other contractors, according to the DHS document. Tactical Micro could not be reached for comment.
The DHS only searched for extra funds within its $376m budget for border security fencing, infrastructure and technology, so it would not have to ask for congressional approval to repurpose funding, according to the document.
Contractors cannot begin bidding to develop prototypes until 6 March but more than 265 businesses already have listed themselves as “interested parties” on a government web site.
Those interested range from small businesses to large government contractors such as Raytheon. Source
For some reason, "the funds would be enough to cover a handful of contracts for wall prototypes" made me laugh uncontrollably.
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On March 02 2017 12:09 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage. The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint.
It's possible that Nancy Pelosi stores dead bodies in her closet, but until such a time as credible sources report on that possibility, I remain incredulous. We are post-two-IG reports that said dastardly stuff about Russia but we're short on proof. So we're left with the feeling that maybe Putin intended harm and leaked hacked emails to destabilize America. If you're really partisan, Trump did golden showers, had one side in two places at once, and maybe mentioned to a Russia legislator that he'll depart from Obama's policies.
Maybe in six months with effort we can put more faith in what the NYT deems ready to publish.
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On March 02 2017 12:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 12:09 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage. The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint. It's possible that Nancy Pelosi stores dead bodies in her closet, but until such a time as credible sources report on that possibility, I remain incredulous. We are post-two-IG reports that said dastardly stuff about Russia but we're short on proof. So we're left with the feeling that maybe Putin intended harm and leaked hacked emails to destabilize America. If you're really partisan, Trump did golden showers, had one side in two places at once, and maybe mentioned to a Russia legislator that he'll depart from Obama's policies. Maybe in six months with effort we can put more faith in what the NYT deems ready to publish.
In other words you don't believe it so it's not a credible news story.
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On March 02 2017 12:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 12:09 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage. The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint. Maybe in six months with effort we can put more faith in what the NYT deems ready to publish.
Stop saying 'we.' It's clear you're blind to the litany of red flags popping up. Sessions committed perjury and he isn't even the first head to roll due to Russia connections. It seems like you're unwilling to listen to anything unless it's from a right-wing source you trust. The media, intelligence agencies and public servant leaks are all part of a conspiracy and Trump's being framed? Just go subscribe to T_D and get off this forum if you can't come up with something better than 'there's no real proof from sources that I trust, so it's nothing.' Equating the current level of evidence (and we don't even have access to the whole story) to a non-existent case of Pelosi being a serial killer just shows how much of a lost cause you are.
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It's still possible that Trump himself is innocent of Russian connections (though somewhat implausible). There's definitely enough questions to merit an investigation into his campaign at this point though.
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On March 02 2017 12:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 12:15 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 12:09 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage. The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint. It's possible that Nancy Pelosi stores dead bodies in her closet, but until such a time as credible sources report on that possibility, I remain incredulous. We are post-two-IG reports that said dastardly stuff about Russia but we're short on proof. So we're left with the feeling that maybe Putin intended harm and leaked hacked emails to destabilize America. If you're really partisan, Trump did golden showers, had one side in two places at once, and maybe mentioned to a Russia legislator that he'll depart from Obama's policies. Maybe in six months with effort we can put more faith in what the NYT deems ready to publish. In other words you don't believe it so it's not a credible news story.
If you slept through the 2016 election and post-election season with the hype and lies, I don't know if you can observe detached the new world we find ourselves in. As quoted, I know a teleporting aide that would like to speak with you. Or just read the thread. I honestly don't know if it will take another sudden election loss or twenty years of observation to recognize the great skepticism that these things should be approached from. We're far from the era of Woodward and Bernstein; such that Woodward says "and I think if you look at the real chronology and the nature of the battle here, those intelligence chiefs who were the best we’ve had, who were terrific and have done great work, made a mistake here. And when people make mistakes, they should apologize." So uhh learn skepticism, or first learn reflection. From your last "WTF" to now, I think you need some healthy cleansing from fake news.
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Danglars didn't even take the time to see that Manafort had gone on record confirming his daughter got blackmail texts before saying everyone involved was denying it. Don't expect him to take any story seriously or read it. And don't expect anyone else to do so, either.
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On March 02 2017 12:35 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2017 12:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 02 2017 12:15 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 12:09 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On March 02 2017 11:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:On March 02 2017 10:03 Doodsmack wrote:If the truth is out there, I doubt it can be covered up by the Trump admin. In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence. Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Mr. Trump’s associates.
Then and now, Mr. Trump has denied that his campaign had any contact with Russian officials, and at one point he openly suggested that American spy agencies had cooked up intelligence suggesting that the Russian government had tried to meddle in the presidential election. NYT I'm just a conspiracy nut? Is that what we were saying around here earlier? Secret meetings alleged by unnamed sources is a far cry from stringing together deaths to lay at the feet of FSB/US Govt/Trump. Sorry, but NYT and WaPo have earned our distrust until such a time as the media returns to reporting the news. Or at least reporting what Trump does with more perspective than hair-on-fire extreme shock and outrage. The possibility that we have a compromised government all the way to the highest level is not news? I would certainly want to know if there was even the slightest fuckin' hint. It's possible that Nancy Pelosi stores dead bodies in her closet, but until such a time as credible sources report on that possibility, I remain incredulous. We are post-two-IG reports that said dastardly stuff about Russia but we're short on proof. So we're left with the feeling that maybe Putin intended harm and leaked hacked emails to destabilize America. If you're really partisan, Trump did golden showers, had one side in two places at once, and maybe mentioned to a Russia legislator that he'll depart from Obama's policies. Maybe in six months with effort we can put more faith in what the NYT deems ready to publish. In other words you don't believe it so it's not a credible news story. I think you need some healthy cleansing from fake news.
NYT is fake news? Good to know exactly where you stand on the political spectrum.
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